Connecticut to Pass Paid Sick Leave Law

[tlmorg02]

Connecticut Poised To Be First State To Mandate Sick Pay : NPR

Businesses lobbied hard against the legislation, and it was scaled back. It won't apply to manufacturing, temporary workers or independent contractors. Still, lawmakers like state Rep. John Rigby (R) say it will burden restaurants and other businesses that are already struggling in a tough economy.

"They're going to have to shed jobs," Rigby says. "They're going to have to let people go. They're going to have to make a decision about whether to open the next brew pub in Connecticut or in Massachusetts or Rhode Island — states that are considered more business-friendly than our state."
Those same dire predictions have been made before, when San Francisco and Washington, D.C., mandated paid sick days a few years back. But Ellen Bravo of the nonprofit Family Values at Work says it didn't happen.

"Not at all," she says. "In San Francisco, where they've now had it four years, studies have shown not just that it hasn't hurt productivity or profitability, but two-thirds of employers now support the law."

 

[apdst]

Small businesses are going to go tits up left and right, in Connecticut, on account of this.

 

[tessaesque]

The article wasn't very specific, but I assume that the sick leave would work like that earned by other employees? I.E. you can only use what you have, then you take leave w/no pay, and the days are earned over a specific period of time (most of my employers have done 1/2 day per month)?

 

[apdst]

The article wasn't very specific, but I assume that the sick leave would work like that earned by other employees? I.E. you can only use what you have, then you take leave w/no pay, and the days are earned over a specific period of time (most of my employers have done 1/2 day per month)?

I have a small business and between taxes, fees and a slow economy, I can't afford to pay a man for a day that he doesn't work.

 

[tessaesque]

I have a small business and between taxes, fees and a slow economy, I can't afford to pay a man for a day that he doesn't work.

I didn't say I supported or opposed anything, so you really don't have to prepare an argument. I'm trying to understand the law a bit better.

 

[tlmorg02]

The article wasn't very specific, but I assume that the sick leave would work like that earned by other employees? I.E. you can only use what you have, then you take leave w/no pay, and the days are earned over a specific period of time (most of my employers have done 1/2 day per month)?

You are correct that is how it works. I had to look up another article but it does indeed serve that function.

 

[tlmorg02]

I have a small business and between taxes, fees and a slow economy, I can't afford to pay a man for a day that he doesn't work.

Don't worry, I am sure the business lobby has worked some tax break or subsidy in there for the companies to balance the cost. And as mentioned in the article, people said that businesses would go belly-up in other states where such laws were enacted and no such thing occurred.

 

[apdst]

Don't worry, I am sure the business lobby has worked some tax break or subsidy in there for the companies to balance the cost. And as mentioned in the article, people said that businesses would go belly-up in other states where such laws were enacted and no such thing occurred.

Besides the one that already exists that allows businesses to write off payroll, you mean?

I know I can't afford it. I'm glad no such law applies to me.

 

[FilmFestGuy]

Small businesses are going to go tits up left and right, in Connecticut, on account of this.

Again, giving that it's been passed in other places and your gloom and doom predictions didn't come true, then I'd say you're being a little hysterical.

Further, keeping sick people out of work without destroying their livelihoods can actually improve productivity. If you don't give someone sick time and they show up to work because they can't afford to take unpaid time off and they spread their sickness to three other workers, you're in a LOT worse shape than you were if you just paid the guy to stay home a couple of days and recover.

 

[apdst]

Again, giving that it's been passed in other places and your gloom and doom predictions didn't come true, then I'd say you're being a little hysterical.

Further, keeping sick people out of work without destroying their livelihoods can actually improve productivity. If you don't give someone sick time and they show up to work because they can't afford to take unpaid time off and they spread their sickness to three other workers, you're in a LOT worse shape than you were if you just paid the guy to stay home a couple of days and recover.

Show us how the law is applied in other states.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Connecticut Poised To Be First State To Mandate Sick Pay : NPR

I think it's awesome - I would have, then, been able to keep my job instead of quitting and becoming a stay at home mom when my kids were sick often. . . I simply couldn't afford to pay daycare when I had to miss days.

Just because people are poor, in college - or for whatever reason have ot take a lesser-paying job doesn't mean they have no such thing as sickness and illness.

 

[winston53660]

Show us how the law is applied in other states.

For employers, survey results show:
􀀀 Employer profitability did not suffer. Six out of seven employers did not report any negative
effect on profitability as a result of the PSLO.
􀀀 Most employers reported no difficulty providing sick days to their employees under the
ordinance. Approximately one-third of employers reported any difficulties implementing
the PSLO, and only one-sixth needed to introduce an entirely new paid sick days policy
because of the law. However, some employers (also around one-sixth) are in violation of
the law and still did not offer paid sick days at the time of the survey.
􀀀 Employers are supportive. Two-thirds of employers support the PSLO and one-third are
“very supportive.”

San Francisco’s Paid Sick Leave Ordinance: Outcomes for Employers and Employees — IWPR

 

[apdst]

For employers, survey results show:
􀀀 Employer profitability did not suffer. Six out of seven employers did not report any negative
effect on profitability as a result of the PSLO.
􀀀 Most employers reported no difficulty providing sick days to their employees under the
ordinance. Approximately one-third of employers reported any difficulties implementing
the PSLO, and only one-sixth needed to introduce an entirely new paid sick days policy
because of the law. However, some employers (also around one-sixth) are in violation of
the law and still did not offer paid sick days at the time of the survey.
􀀀 Employers are supportive. Two-thirds of employers support the PSLO and one-third are
“very supportive.”

San Francisco’s Paid Sick Leave Ordinance: Outcomes for Employers and Employees — IWPR

A poll is your proof? Ummmm...yeaaaahhhh.

 

[tessaesque]

A poll is your proof? Ummmm...yeaaaahhhh.

You can look into yourself, you know. The article very clearly states who else has tried this in the past.

 

[FilmFestGuy]

You can look into yourself, you know. The article very clearly states who else has tried this in the past.

That's too difficult. Hysterical over-reaction is MUCH easier.

 

[apdst]

You can look into yourself, you know. The article very clearly states who else has tried this in the past.

I'm saying it's not a good thing to make a small business pay out money, with no return. If someone tells me that it's not, it's on them to provide the information to back that up.

I'm not going to provide docs to back up my point, because it's just plain ol' common sense.

 

[winston53660]

A poll is your proof? Ummmm...yeaaaahhhh.

And in your response you just flap your lips?

 

[apdst]

That's too difficult. Hysterical over-reaction is MUCH easier.

So, cutting into a businesses profits, even more, during a depression is an ok thing to do? This is so awesome for small businesses, that the business lobbies were all against. Am I close?

 

[apdst]

And in your response you just flap your lips?

I've already stated my position. It would be damned hard to argue against allowing small businesses keeping more of their profits. No doubt you'll try, though.

 

[tessaesque]

I'm saying it's not a good thing to make a small business pay out money, with no return. If someone tells me that it's not, it's on them to provide the information to back that up.

I'm not going to provide docs to back up my point, because it's just plain ol' common sense.

That "somebody" merely quoted the article, which stated exactly what he said. If it's in the original article he wasn't saying anything new, and therefore didn't have a point to prove at all.

 

[winston53660]

I've already stated my position. It would be damned hard to argue against allowing small businesses keeping more of their profits. No doubt you'll try, though.

And have they lost any profits?

For employers, survey results show:
􀀀 Employer profitability did not suffer. Six out of seven employers did not report any negative
effect on profitability as a result of the PSLO.

 

[apdst]

That "somebody" merely quoted the article, which stated exactly what he said. If it's in the original article he wasn't saying anything new, and therefore didn't have a point to prove at all.

That, "somebody", said that this is awesome and won't have any negative results. He needs to prove that.

It's also been said that this has been done in other states, which the article proves is inaccurate.

 

[apdst]

And have they lost any profits?

For employers, survey results show:
􀀀 Employer profitability did not suffer. Six out of seven employers did not report any negative
effect on profitability as a result of the PSLO.

It's a poll, dude! That's not proof of anything.

 

[tessaesque]

That, "somebody", said that this is awesome and won't have any negative results. He needs to prove that.

It's also been said that this has been done in other states, which the article proves is inaccurate.

It is done in other states. It isn't a state law in other states, but mandated sick pay is done outside of connecticut.

 

[tessaesque]

It's a poll, dude! That's not proof of anything.

Jesus.. Then google it yourself or give up. This isn't moving the discussion forward.