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Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

It will mean even more cases of sexual harassment and discrimination for unit commanders to deal with, taking time away from training and threatening unit cohesion.

Maybe, but not likely to be a huge amount more and it could be balanced out from not having to deal with as many cases of investigating claims of homosexuality and/or taking the time to actually put someone out for admitting homosexuality.

The 2 guys I know who were involuntarily DADT discharged fought hard and were fought hard for by our chain of command to keep them in. It took several boards for the Navy to finally make the decision that their sexuality mattered more than the fact that nukes are severely undermanned and needed every qualified person we could get to stand watch. Everyone knew they were homosexual, no one in our department cared one bit. And we had lots of guys and girls who were openly homosexual. We had zero cases of sexual harassment from homosexuals in the 4 1/2 years I was aboard ship.

I have lived with openly homosexual people in a military environment. They are no more likely to sexually harass someone than a heterosexual is, and in some cases, even less so, just due to the stigma that would come from a guy hitting on another guy who wasn't gay. And their small numbers would mean that any increase in sexual harassment cases should be insignificant, unless you want to provide some hard data to support your claim that "sexual harassment cases will increase".
 
Maybe, but not likely to be a huge amount more and it could be balanced out from not having to deal with as many cases of investigating claims of homosexuality and/or taking the time to actually put someone out for admitting homosexuality.

The 2 guys I know who were involuntarily DADT discharged fought hard and were fought hard for by our chain of command to keep them in. It took several boards for the Navy to finally make the decision that their sexuality mattered more than the fact that nukes are severely undermanned and needed every qualified person we could get to stand watch. Everyone knew they were homosexual, no one in our department cared one bit. And we had lots of guys and girls who were openly homosexual. We had zero cases of sexual harassment from homosexuals in the 4 1/2 years I was aboard ship.

I have lived with openly homosexual people in a military environment. They are no more likely to sexually harass someone than a heterosexual is, and in some cases, even less so, just due to the stigma that would come from a guy hitting on another guy who wasn't gay. And their small numbers would mean that any increase in sexual harassment cases should be insignificant, unless you want to provide some hard data to support your claim that "sexual harassment cases will increase".

But, there will be more and that will take away from training time that is already cut into by administrative bull****.
 
Too bad they have to deal with this stupid ****, along with everything else they have on their plate.

really. like there was nothing else going on right now so it was the perfect time to do this.
 
Maybe, but not likely to be a huge amount more and it could be balanced out from not having to deal with as many cases of investigating claims of homosexuality and/or taking the time to actually put someone out for admitting homosexuality.

considering the vanishing rareness of such cases, i sincerely doubt it.
 
So, basically, anyone that isn't jumping for joy with you right now, is a homophobe? Can you possibly see how lame that logic is? Oh, wait...
I'd say that that is an accurate assessment.
 
really. like there was nothing else going on right now so it was the perfect time to do this.

That excuse is used every time change is implemented. And that is just exactly what it is, an excuse. That is all those scared of gay cooties have left.
 
You act as if our service members are super human and don't have the same emotions that everyone else does.

And just think, a few years ago, most Lefties saw them as a bunch of brainwashed murderers.
Well if they aren't brainwashed but the training, basic training isn't working. Disliking gays is not an emotion. It is a determined thought process. That's why it's called bigotry and not an emotional disorder.
 
That excuse is used every time change is implemented.

i couldn't care less if you think it's an excuse or not. our combat arms guys are already stressed enough, and the units are already facing plenty of problems. Suicide is on the rise again, PTSD continues to plague, and now they want to dump the problems of dealing with this on our laps as though nothing was more important to an organization where stress costs lives than pleasing left-wing pressure groups.

there is a good reason that the units and branches most effected by the wars are the ones that poll most heavily against this.
 
So why do you have a problem with gays and hate them so much?

:shrug: I'm unaware of anyone making the argument that they do or should. My little sister is a lesbian - came out to me first so I could help her with the folks because she knew she would get love and support.

but that doesn't alter the fact that repealing DADT will put increased stress on the units least capable of handling it, and on the units where added stress is paid for in the currency of blood.
 
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katie, if you were taking a shower and some random dude jumped in....

.... would you say that your negative reaction would be indicative that you hate men?

............. Will. You're against gays serving openly in the military?
 
You act as if our service members are super human and don't have the same emotions that everyone else does.

And just think, a few years ago, most Lefties saw them as a bunch of brainwashed murderers.

wait a minute - post Gitmo/Abu Ghraib I thought we were supposed to be fascist torturers...???



man... it's so hard to keep my billet description straight...

You have pretty much hit the nail on the head. Good job assessing their abilities.
 
I have yet to meet one person in the military that is happy with gays serving openly in the military...
So you are saying that the standard person in the military is a low life bigot. You have a terrible opinion of your military don't you? Why do you hate gays so much? Why are you afraid of us? That's pretty laughable. All these big brave straight folks being afraid of gays. hehehehehehe
 
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Because a person is anti gays serving openly does not make them homophobic...That is bul**** put out by left wingers....
So what does it make them? It sure doesn't show that they are enlightened.
 
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considering the vanishing rareness of such cases, i sincerely doubt it.

Why? How many homosexuals do you think are in the military? How many cases of sexual harassment by homosexuals alone do you think there will be? Actual estimate of numbers would be preferred, since that would help to figure out about how many more cases we might have to deal with and whether it would be a significant amount compared with having to investigate cases of homosexuality and having to investigate cases of sexual discrimination and/or sexuality discrimination anyway, since those were both rules before the repeal.
 
............. Will. You're against gays serving openly in the military?

:shrug: not that it matters any more - the decision has been made and we follow orders

but generally, yes - at least and especially in the combat arms. I thought that for such units, DADT was an excellent compromise which allowed those who wanted to serve to do so, while protecting the units from the added stress that the introduction of sexual tension would bring.
 
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Why? How many homosexuals do you think are in the military?

many, many, many, many more than are ever prosecuted for it.

the claim that repealing DADT will reduce administrative backlogs strikes me as..... well, frankly, ridiculous.
 
:shrug: I'm unaware of anyone making the argument that they do or should. My little sister is a lesbian - came out to me first so I could help her with the folks because she knew she would get love and support.

but that doesn't alter the fact that repealing DADT will put increased stress on the units least capable of handling it, and on the units where added stress is paid for in the currency of blood.
If it adds stress than the mindless idiots that are stressed certainly do not belong in the military. Those that believe that it will add stress and want to support that fact and would defend bigots that are stressed by gays make the same statement about themselves. I don't get stressed by straight people. Why would a straight person that isn't a bigot get stressed by gays?
 
Didn't see this posted anywhere. Seems things are going as expected regarding the new policy. I think most of us knew our military wouldn't fall apart over this.


WASHINGTON – More than a million U.S. troops — roughly half the armed forces — have been trained on the new law allowing gays to serve openly in the military, and so far there has been none of the turmoil or dire consequences predicted by opponents of what had been expected to be a wrenching change in military culture.

There's been no widespread resistance, no mad rush for the door by enlisted members opposed to the policy and no drop in recruiting.

"So far this seems to be a non-event," Gen. Peter Chiarelli, vice chief of staff for the Army, told reporters recently.



Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal - Yahoo! News

I'm pretty sure conservatives like myself have been telling you all along that this was not going to be a big deal.

There was a long, deep history of conflict between races, so that was a big deal. We came from a history of Victorian gender rolls, so going co-ed was a big deal.

Gays, on the other hand, were never really a source of conflict. Additionally, there being so few gays, and the fact that heteros undermine unit cohesion far more so than gays, means this will only be a cause for concern among tight fire teams; who can get a waiver and reject gays anyway.
 
i couldn't care less if you think it's an excuse or not. our combat arms guys are already stressed enough, and the units are already facing plenty of problems. Suicide is on the rise again, PTSD continues to plague, and now they want to dump the problems of dealing with this on our laps as though nothing was more important to an organization where stress costs lives than pleasing left-wing pressure groups.

there is a good reason that the units and branches most effected by the wars are the ones that poll most heavily against this.

The military is always stressed. Always. This will have basically zero impact however on those manifestations of stress you list. The idea that 1 in 20 soldiers around them might be gay is not going to cause PTSD, nor suicides. Realistically, this is a fairly minor change. And as with every change in the military, those serving are going to blow it all out of proportion, right up until it has happened, then they will find it's not a big deal and they have bigger things to worry about.
 
:shrug: not that it matters any more - the decision has been made and we follow orders

but generally, yes - at least and especially in the combat arms. I thought that for such units, DADT was an excellent compromise which allowed those who wanted to serve to do so, while protecting the units from the added stress that the introduction of sexual tension would bring.
The bold would seem to say that you support bigoted behavior and you would rather defend bigots right to stay in the military than gays. You really need to decide what side of the fence you stand on.
 
People who disapprove of homosexuality are like those lame kids bookstories Goosebumps that they use to give in Jr High. They always try to creep you out by saying "You never know!" at the end of the conversation.

I 'disprove' of homosexuality yet strongly support gays serving openly in the military.

One does not have to do with the other.

Gays in the military is not a social issue like same-sex marriage.
 
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