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Yay, unemployment drops!!!........ well, sorta ........... :(


WASHINGTON: Where did all the workers go?

The labor force — those who have a job or are looking for one — is getting smaller, even though the economy is growing and steadily adding jobs. That trend defies the rules of a normal economic recovery.

Nobody is sure why it's happening. Economists think some of the missing workers have retired, have entered college or are getting by on government disability checks. Others have probably just given up looking for work.

"A small work force means millions of discouraged workers, lower output in the future and a weak recovery," says Rep. Kevin Brady of Texas, the ranking Republican on the Congress' Joint Economic Committee. "Those are unhealthy signs."

By the government's definition, if you quit looking, you're no longer counted as unemployed. And you're no longer part of the labor force....

The percentage of adults in the labor force is a figure that economists call the participation rate. It is 64.2 percent, the smallest since 1984. And that's become a mystery to economists. Normally after a recession, an improving economy lures job seekers back into the labor market. This time, many are staying on the sidelines...

If the 529,000 missing workers had been out scavenging for a job without success, the unemployment rate would have been 9.3 percent in April, not the reported rate of 9 percent. And if the participation rate were as high as it was when the recession began, 66 percent, in December 2007, the unemployment rate could have been as high as 11.5 percent...

remember ya'll : Keynesian Stimulus Bills worked in 2008 to avoid a recession, and they worked in 2009 to keep unemployment low. Don't you go believing your lying eyes, and don't forget to vote Democrat in 2012!
 
I just wish those lazy people would get off their buts and take the jobs I am told are out their if the look for them, rather then have people blame the government for not providing them jobs
 
Yay, unemployment drops!!!........ well, sorta ........... :(




remember ya'll : Keynesian Stimulus Bills worked in 2008 to avoid a recession, and they worked in 2009 to keep unemployment low. Don't you go believing your lying eyes, and don't forget to vote Democrat in 2012!

Just because there are jobs out there does not mean everyone who is unemployed is trained for a job that is now in demand.

There is a lot of demand for agricultural workers but there are few people who are trained for it, or even want to try to do it. Besides immigrant laborers.
 
Yay, unemployment drops!!!........ well, sorta ........... :(




remember ya'll : Keynesian Stimulus Bills worked in 2008 to avoid a recession, and they worked in 2009 to keep unemployment low. Don't you go believing your lying eyes, and don't forget to vote Democrat in 2012!

Man, I love me some over the top hyperbole and misrepresented facts. Remember when the economy was bleeding jobs by several hundred thousand a month? Funny how you forget details like that.
 
As i posted before a few hours ago Fox News reported the the actual Unemployment number for April 2011 was 15.9%, this includes those who are no longer receiving any benefits.

This is why the numers of people on food stamps is through the roof.
 
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As i posted before a few hours ago Fox News reported the the actual Unemployment number for April 2011 was 15.9, this includes those who are no longer receiving any benefits.

This is why the numers of people on food stamps is through the roof.

FOX News? Lies! All Lies! The unemployment rate is down, held steady by the might Obama stimulus program!

(That interpretation of most liberals, brought to you by Whovian)
 
FOX News? Lies! All Lies! The unemployment rate is down, held steady by the might Obama stimulus program!

(That interpretation of most liberals, brought to you by Whovian)

It's not lies, it is simply a different measure. No one measures true unemployment, and the number Councilman gave is not true unemployment. The "official" unemployment rate is simply the rate used historically and used for comparisons sake, but BLS keeps a whole tab of differently calculated rates, including that one, which is called U6 unemployment.

Think this link will work: Table A-12. Unemployed persons by duration of unemployment
 
I just wish those lazy people would get off their buts and take the jobs I am told are out their if the look for them, rather then have people blame the government for not providing them jobs

A lot of the time it isn't that they can't take the job it is that unemployment is higher than getting that job, as that job may be part time or more hours than what unemployment is can't be guaranteed. I have actually gone on unemployment for the first time in my life this year. Kentucky is actually one of the most unemployed states in the country. Currently, that has much to do with what has gone on in Japan since many of Kentucky's manufacturing jobs rely on supplies from that area. I have heard somewhere (don't know if it's true or not) that for every manufacturing job in Kentucky, another non manufacturing job is created.

My experience with unemployment is surprisingly a bit more organized than I thought it would be. You have to have looked for one job at least for every single week on unemployment. Unemployment is tax free atm but when filing you pay your taxes into it. Besides that, you are paying into it in the first place. Trust me if I could find a job that paid more than unemployment I would take it in a heart beat. I think the majority of Americans would rather work than be unemployed.
 
today:

In disappointing news for the White House, Wall Street and Main Street, U.S. job gains slowed to a crawl in May and the unemployment rate moved higher, the Labor Department estimated Friday.

Nonfarm payrolls rose by a seasonally adjusted 54,000 in May. This is the smallest gain since September and a fraction of the 125,000 jobs expected by economists polled by MarketWatch. That forecast had been cut in recent days as economists grew pessimistic after a string of disappointing data this week. Just a few days ago, economists were expecting jobs growth of 175,000 jobs in the month.

The official unemployment rate increased to 9.1% in May from 9.0% in April. This is the highest unemployment rate since December. Economists were expected a slight drop in the jobless rate to 8.9%. The unemployment report adds to fears that the U.S. economy may have hit more than a soft patch and that a more protracted and dangerous downturn could be in the offing.

Stock futures sold off sharply after publication of the report, as did silver and gold. The dollar dropped against the Japanese yen.

Total payrolls were revised down by 39,000 for March and April. March’s gain was revised to 194,000 from 221,000, while April’s gain of 244,000 was revised to a gain of 232,000.

There was no sign that hiring at McDonald’s boosted payrolls. Food and drinking employment rose by 13,600 jobs in May after adding 28,000 workers in April.

Stepping back, the economy has only recovered a small portion of the more than 8 million jobs lost during the recession. Even before today’s disappointing number, the pace of job growth had not been sufficient to make a meaningful dent in the unemployment rate.

May jobs growth slows to 54,000, a nine-month low Economic Report - MarketWatch

and it's not just jobs relative to our historically low "participation rate"

no, it's gas prices, the housing double dip, the crashing of consumer confidence, the plummeting of corporate profits, the miserable manufacturing measures, auto sales slipping...

stimulus, anyone?

shovel ready jobs?

seeya at the polls, progressives
 
Man, I love me some over the top hyperbole and misrepresented facts. Remember when the economy was bleeding jobs by several hundred thousand a month? Funny how you forget details like that.

Not to mention the OP is wrong.. Granted he is basing it on a very wrong link but still.

Table A-1. Employment status of the civilian population by sex and age

The facts are clear.

Labour force UP from 153421000 to 153693000.

Not in labour force went down from 85725000 to 85620000

Of that persons who currently want a job went up from 6539000 to 6227000.

That means the so famous inaccurate unemployment number went up because the amount of jobs did not meet the rise in the labour force.

I bet if next month will show 200+k again, then I bet the right will find something wrong with that too..

but I am guessing the right is doing high fives across the country because it makes it more likely for a change in the White House.. or so they think.
 
9.1% unemployment as of today, using the most generous variables possible.
 
the "historically weak recovery," usa today, may 20:

Nearly two years after the economic recovery officially began, job creation continues to stagger at the slowest post-recession rate since the Great Depression.

The nation has 5% fewer jobs today — a loss of 7 million — than it did when the recession began in December 2007. That is by far the worst performance of job generation following any of the dozen recessions since the 1930s.

In the past, the economy recovered lost jobs 13 months on average after a recession. If this were a typical recovery, nearly 10 million more people would be working today than when the recession officially ended in June 2009.

Job creation limps along after recession - USATODAY.com
 
today:



May jobs growth slows to 54,000, a nine-month low Economic Report - MarketWatch

and it's not just jobs relative to our historically low "participation rate"

no, it's gas prices, the housing double dip, the crashing of consumer confidence, the plummeting of corporate profits, the miserable manufacturing measures, auto sales slipping...

stimulus, anyone?

shovel ready jobs?

seeya at the polls, progressives

Government stimulus is waning, and yet the private sector has not shown the desire to spur the growth necessary to keep up with our population.

I find it nothing short of hilarious that someone is lauding for austerity while simultaneously speculating about the next election. The GOP is playing with fire; just ask our European counterparts how well they are faring.

For instance, what is going on in the UK?
 
Government stimulus is waning, and yet the private sector has not shown the desire to spur the growth necessary to keep up with our population.

I find it nothing short of hilarious that someone is lauding for austerity while simultaneously speculating about the next election. The GOP is playing with fire; just ask our European counterparts how well they are faring.

For instance, what is going on in the UK?

Oh, so it's the private sector's fault that the stealfromus package flopped? That's rich! :lamo
 
Oh, so it's the private sector's fault that the stealfromus package flopped? That's rich! :lamo

Do you read a persons response, and then post the first red herring that comes to mind? The stimulus did what it was intended to do given the size and trajectory of the spending. You know what's rich? People posting in topics that center on economics without the ability to keep up with the conversation.
 
Do you read a persons response, and then post the first red herring that comes to mind? The stimulus did what it was intended to do given the size and trajectory of the spending. You know what's rich? People posting in topics that center on economics without the ability to keep up with the conversation.

What was it intended to do; besides fund a buncha Liberal wet dreams, that is.
 
What was it intended to do; besides fund a buncha Liberal wet dreams, that is.

Stabilize output until the private sector was able to recover from its previous failure.
 
Stabilize output until the private sector was able to recover from its previous failure.

Oh, so I did hear you correctly: it's the private sector's fault. Awesome talking point! I pray that Libbos use in the 2012 election. :lamo
 
Oh, so I did hear you correctly: it's the private sector's fault. Awesome talking point! I pray that Libbos use in the 2012 election. :lamo

Did the public sector lay off millions of people? Was it the public sector that could not fund their daily operations because of a credit constraint created by the public sector?

No. The private sector failed as the bankruptcy tolls of 2008, 2009, and 2010 suggest.

If this is the best you can offer, next time i think ill pass....
 
There is a difference between a reason, and being at fault. The reason for high unemployment is that the private sector cannot supply enough jobs. That does not mean that the private sector is intentionally screwing the public, it's just part of a free market economy.
 
Oh, so I did hear you correctly: it's the private sector's fault. Awesome talking point! I pray that Libbos use in the 2012 election. :lamo

Companies have bought out other companies instead of hiring workers. This has caused more workers to lose jobs (rightfully so). Companies are sitting on what trillions in reserves? What causes job growth again?
 
the public sector has been shedding jobs faster than a german shepherd in summer---28000 this month, 24000 in april, 14000 in march, 30000 in february, 14000 in january, 10000 in december, 11000 in november, 8000 in october, 159000 in september (after the census), 121000 in august...

fyi

and THAT aspect of our emasculating economy, this severe slashing of public payroll, is only gonna get a whole lot worse starting just about now---ask cuomo in new york, moonbeam in CA, the state assemblies in massachusetts and springfield, bing and bobb in detroit...

let alone the republican governors of ohio and wisconsin and florida and jersey and indiana...

you may appreciate the need for austerity, you may oppose this anti-keynesian craze...

but there's nothing anyone can to do stop it, as inevitable as physics
 
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