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House rejects debt ceiling increase

You know that Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are not discretionary, amount to 217% of defense spending and 115% of total discretionary spending.
Right?
(FY2009 numbers)

Could you link to the numbers in particular you're talking about, because that flys in the face of anything I"ve read in terms of government spending.
Unless you're combining those three things together and saying that three things COMBINED is bigger than Defense by itself.

Which...well, yeah. Same would be true if you added Defense and Social Security together and compared it to Medicare, or any other way you want to combine two of the big 3 and compare it to the other.
 
Unless you're combining those three things together and saying that three things COMBINED is bigger than Defense by itself.
This is correct.
 
You know that Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are not discretionary, amount to 217% of defense spending and 115% of total discretionary spending.
Right?
(FY2009 numbers)

So what discretionary in your book?
 
Republicans tried to demagogue President Obama's health plan by calling it socialized medicine and that death panels will kill Granny. Now, Ryan and Republicans are whining about President Obama and other Democrats for doing the same things they did during the last round of health care debates. It seems like they can demagogue with the best of them; they just can't take it.
I see an interesting difference. Democrats complain when the truth is told about them. Conservatives complain when lies are told about them. To make the claim that from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs, is Marxist, and is the central theme of much of this one term president's agenda, is to state the truth. To claim that the Ryan Plan will abandon your grandmother is a lie.
 
I see an interesting difference. Democrats complain when the truth is told about them. Conservatives complain when lies are told about them. To make the claim that from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs, is Marxist, and is the central theme of much of this one term president's agenda, is to state the truth. To claim that the Ryan Plan will abandon your grandmother is a lie.
Except that the central complaint of Paul Ryan's on this occasion wasn't that his plan was going to throw grandma off the cliff, but rather that President Obama was calling it a voucher. For someone that has no problem using demagoguery when necessary, Paul Ryan certainly has thin skin when it is used against him.

Ah, the socialism card. That one never gets old. I guess you couldn't call yourself a conservative if you don't at some point call President Obama a socialist, regardless of whether it has anything to do with the topic of thread.
 
Except that the central complaint of Paul Ryan's on this occasion wasn't that his plan was going to throw grandma off the cliff, but rather that President Obama was calling it a voucher. For someone that has no problem using demagoguery when necessary, Paul Ryan certainly has thin skin when it is used against him.

Ah, the socialism card. That one never gets old. I guess you couldn't call yourself a conservative if you don't at some point call President Obama a socialist, regardless of whether it has anything to do with the topic of thread.

What exactly do you think entitlements ARE?
 
Ah, the socialism card. That one never gets old. I guess you couldn't call yourself a conservative if you don't at some point call President Obama a socialist, regardless of whether it has anything to do with the topic of thread.
It has everything to do with this thread. When one's world view is Marxist then socialism is always the answer to every problem. It is a false answer. The one-term president Obama is a radical Marxist so everything he does is colored by it. The color is red.
 
It has everything to do with this thread. When one's world view is Marxist then socialism is always the answer to every problem. It is a false answer. The one-term president Obama is a radical Marxist so everything he does is colored by it. The color is red.

Forcing people to buy private insurance is pretty darn far away from Marxism.
 
Forcing people to buy private insurance is pretty darn far away from Marxism.
Sometimes the things he does are simply antithetical to our Constitution. In addition to being a Marxist he also believes he is king. The one term president Obama cannot get away from the fact that everything he touches turns to uh, oh, hmmm, mud.
 
Sometimes the things he does are simply antithetical to our Constitution. In addition to being a Marxist he also believes he is king. The one term president Obama cannot get away from the fact that everything he touches turns to uh, oh, hmmm, mud.

Well perhaps you should tell republicans that because private insurance mandate was a republican idea... Which by the way, I find unconstitutional, I'm just not so confused about political beliefs and definitions that I have to refer to an individual as a marxist, when they've done nothing of the sort.

But I suppose when all you have in life is to make cheap political points using statements at will ignorantly that have nothing to do with the topic at hand... you'll do it.
 
i always find it interesting when people bring up the individual mandate originally being a Republican idea to compromise with Hillarycares' Employer Mandate...

...as though Republicans never seek compromise positions that they don't like, or as if Republicans never have stupid ideas.
 
i always find it interesting when people bring up the individual mandate originally being a Republican idea to compromise with Hillarycares' Employer Mandate...

...as though Republicans never seek compromise positions that they don't like, or as if Republicans never have stupid ideas.

My point was.

I find it unconstitutional myself...

However this wasn't an idea formulated with Stalin, Marx and Obama behind closed doors.
 
There's a choice here. Either manage this problem preemptively and mutually, or wait until the crap hits the fan and allow events to dictate the misery.
 
I say make an agreement to cut welfare, medicaid, and foodstamps by 20% over the next 5 years. Make this cut mandatory, but also make it contingent upon true reformations of the program.

Does this include welfare for ExxonMobil, Chevron, Halburton? I agree cut welfare, but cut it on both ends of the spectrum. Hey, I have to pay taxes and work, why shouldn't everyone else.

The GOP wants to F&*^ me when it is time for me to get Medicare and SS. So, lets F&^% the corporate pukes who are supposedly creating more jobs by getting tax breaks.
 
My point was. I find it unconstitutional myself...
Now all we need is for the Supremes to agree.

However this wasn't an idea formulated with Stalin, Marx and Obama behind closed doors.
This is a tactic. Control of the masses and the redistribution of wealth from the undeserving to the deserving is clearly Marxist. How it gets accomplished is not entirely relevant.
 
America is not stupid... dems have been in charge for 5 years....hard to blame anyone else

Really, America is not stupid? We let an oil man convince us that we needed to go to Iraq because they had WMD? That was smart.

Oh, let's not forgot how smart us American's were when we thought Wall Street would be honest, so we didn't regulate them because if we regulate Wall Street it would slow the economy down. That was smart.

Now we want to f*7k hard working americans that contributed to SS and Medicare by cutting the programs because the GOP rich boys club think it is better to let us get a stiphen to spend on medical insurance because we can trust Insurance companies in making sure we get excellent coverage. Yeah that is smart.

No America is stupid because we continue to elect idiots that con us into doing stuff that does not work.
 
Does this include welfare for ExxonMobil, Chevron, Halburton? I agree cut welfare, but cut it on both ends of the spectrum. Hey, I have to pay taxes and work, why shouldn't everyone else.

The GOP wants to F&*^ me when it is time for me to get Medicare and SS. So, lets F&^% the corporate pukes who are supposedly creating more jobs by getting tax breaks.

One "welfare" is measured in the tens of billions, the other is unfunded liabilities over 100,000,000,000,000.00.

Which one has oyu hopping mad?

The 10,000,000,000.00.

Typical "I want mine, dont' care it's not there, don't care if it breaks the bank, gimmie gimmie gimmie."
 
One "welfare" is measured in the tens of billions, the other is unfunded liabilities over 100,000,000,000,000.00.

Which one has oyu hopping mad?

The 10,000,000,000.00.

Typical "I want mine, dont' care it's not there, don't care if it breaks the bank, gimmie gimmie gimmie."

Both piss me off. But don't feed me the bs that GOP want's to fix it for the benefit of all of us. If they were soooooo concerned they'd say screw it, let's put all options on the table. INCLUDING making those pukes that are rich and have been living off the gov't tit for years, e.g. Big Oil, Pakistan, NFL, etc. pay their fair share, not a penny less or more.

Let's make smart decisions to fix sh*t. For twenty years both parties have f(*&ed this nation, yet, instead of making the gov't pukes responsible, uneducated pukes continue to vote in idiots that do NOTHING. Give me a politico that isn't controled by special interest, and I will vote for him/her. Then I will not stop saying I want mine, screw the rest.
 
it's been two years since the united states senate has even proposed a budget

in times like these

and budget chair kent conrad has as much as announced there won't be one this year either

today:

A growing number of Senate Democrats are anxious about the lack of a Democratic budget and the unusually slow legislative agenda, creating another headache for Majority Leader Harry Reid as he tries to protect his majority ahead of a daunting election year.

“On the budget front, I’m not a happy camper around here,” California Sen. Dianne Feinstein told POLITICO. “I think we need to have a budget that we stand by.”

“In the states, you can’t do this in the states — you’ve got to move,” said West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, a former governor up for reelection next year. “We’re hoping we will.”

Not having a budget, Arkansas Sen. Mark Pryor said, “makes it harder to do things that we just need to do — there are people talking about an education bill, a highway bill — a lot of other things you just don’t know how much you have to spend.”

“Of course I’m concerned about [the lack of a budget], because the law does set out a process, an orderly process, but the politics and the partisanship [have] made that existing statutory framework unworkable,” said Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.). “The longer you wait to deal with the debt, the harder it is politically.”

Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.) said if there’s no budget blueprint to base spending levels on, “you get out of regular order and into a discussion between the leadership and the White House on what they want to do,” potentially making it harder to enact the appropriations bills that set funding and policy priorities across government.

Democrats grumble over Harry Reid's agenda - Manu Raju - POLITICO.com
 
So indead of whining about the lack of budget, why don't they work with their cohorts in the House to draft something up? What are they doing? Sitting around playing solitaire all day?
 
Does this include welfare for ExxonMobil, Chevron, Halburton? I agree cut welfare, but cut it on both ends of the spectrum. Hey, I have to pay taxes and work, why shouldn't everyone else.

The GOP wants to F&*^ me when it is time for me to get Medicare and SS. So, lets F&^% the corporate pukes who are supposedly creating more jobs by getting tax breaks.

What welfare do the big oil companies get? Please explain.
 
Both piss me off. But don't feed me the bs that GOP want's to fix it for the benefit of all of us. . . .INCLUDING making those pukes that are rich
The hate burns hot in this one!
 
Give me a politico that isn't controled by special interest, and I will vote for him/her. Then I will not stop saying I want mine, screw the rest.

Thats what a lot of tea party candidates in fact, are.
 
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