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US extends controversial Patriot Act

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US extends controversial Patriot Act — RT

Not surprisingly this goes silent past most people. the temporary freedom robbing patriot act legislations has been extended and will end up snuk into US society permanently..
Sad day for democracy in the US, also shows there is not much difference between republicans and democrats or bush or obama.
in a fascist country non of these make a difference.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
US extends controversial Patriot Act — RT

Not surprisingly this goes silent past most people. the temporary freedom robbing patriot act legislations has been extended and will end up snuk into US society permanently..
Sad day for democracy in the US, also shows there is not much difference between republicans and democrats or bush or obama.
in a fascist country non of these make a difference.
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What do you care?
 
"This time he extended it without even signing the law himself. As he rested in bed following G8 meetings in France, an automated machine signed the bill with his signature for him."

Lol, kinda sad to read that. An automated machine to sign things into law? We really are lazy as ****.
 
The horribly-named PATRIOT Act is a grotesque assault on individual liberties.
 
I have never felt the effects of the patriot act and have never met a single person who has unless the TSA groping and porn scanners fall under that act.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
US extends controversial Patriot Act — RT

Not surprisingly this goes silent past most people. the temporary freedom robbing patriot act legislations has been extended and will end up snuk into US society permanently..
Sad day for democracy in the US, also shows there is not much difference between republicans and democrats or bush or obama.
in a fascist country non of these make a difference.
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Bohner should make them all read the Constitution out loud again.
 
Last night, I went to bed with a book. Not as much fun as a 20 year old, but the book contained a speech by Adlai Stevenson. The year was 1952. He said, "The tragedy of our day is the climate of fear in which we live and fear breeds repression. Too often, sinister threats to the Bill of Rights, to freedom of the mind are concealed under the patriotic cloak of anti-Communism."
Today, it's the cloak of anti-terrorism.

Stevenson also remarked, "It's far easier to fight for principles than to live up to them"

Have we become so fearful? Have we become so cowardly? That those among us that constantly warn of big government fall silent on things like this?

How can that be?

A single terrorist attack, on one day, 10 years ago has kept this unconstitutional piece of trash on the books, that has such potential for abuse, it's unreal, but you're silent, and you continue to be silent and in some ways defend it!

Home of the brave?

Was it not one of your great founding fathers who said "those who trade freedom for security will receive niether".

And yes, i believe he also said something about eternal vigilance, but you know what, I'd interpret that as having eteneral vigilance against internal threats to the constitution more then external threats, you have allowed your fear to get the better of you, defend this all you want, but in the end, you've given far too much power to the state, and i hope for your sake, it never gets turned against you.
 
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GPS_Flex said:
I have never felt the effects of the patriot act and have never met a single person who has unless the TSA groping and porn scanners fall under that act.
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The government doesn't have to inform you that they are monitoring your internet use and phone calls. If you have a bank account or consent to give your information to an American company, the act requires them to collect and verify information about you and release your information to the federal government.

"There are significant flaws in the Patriot Act, flaws that threaten your fundamental freedoms by giving the government the power to access your medical records, tax records, information about the books you buy or borrow without probable cause, and the power to break your door down at your home and conduct unconstitutional searches or if your not home search your home or business in secret without telling you for weeks, months, or even indefinitely."

I used to think only the Soviet Union did that ****... and they wired people's houses with hidden cameras and monitored them. That's pretty scary that we could be there someday. It would just take a corrupt president to start abusing the unlimited power the act gives them.

Privacy Revolt!: The Patriot Act: How it effects you
USA Patriot Act
 
Jetboogieman said:
Last night, I went to bed with a book. Not as much fun as a 20 year old, but the book contained a speech by Adlai Stevenson. The year was 1952. He said, "The tragedy of our day is the climate of fear in which we live and fear breeds repression. Too often, sinister threats to the Bill of Rights, to freedom of the mind are concealed under the patriotic cloak of anti-Communism."
Today, it's the cloak of anti-terrorism.

Stevenson also remarked, "It's far easier to fight for principles than to live up to them"

Have we become so fearful? Have we become so cowardly? That those among us that constantly warn of big government fall silent on things like this?

How can that be?

A single terrorist attack, on one day, 10 years ago has kept this unconstitutional piece of trash on the books, that has such potential for abuse, it's unreal, but you're silent, and you continue to be silent and in some ways defend it!

Home of the brave?

Was it not one of your great founding fathers who said "those who trade freedom for security will receive niether".

And yes, i believe he also said something about eternal vigilance, but you know what, I'd interpret that as having eteneral vigilance against internal threats to the constitution more then external threats, you have allowed your fear to get the better of you, defend this all you want, but in the end, you've given far too much power to the state, and i hope for your sake, it never gets turned against you.
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Did I mention that I ****ing hate people that tout a copy of the Constitution around in their pockets at rallies and read it out loud and profess their respect for it, but disrespect it constantly?

That was a great quote, btw. It's worth writing down and keeping on hand.
 
In a time when the primary focus should be on the economy, they push legislation that allows less accountability for their actions. The Patriot Act doesn't demand an absolute focus on terrorism and no probable cause. Without probable cause, they can make all kinds of mistakes and never be held accountable. They just voted in Witch-hunt logic. They can put us in harms way by interrogating and investigating innocent people. They've already been bribed by the entertainment industry to chase down people who make money off of advertisements by linking to copyrighted material. They have a history of bothering potheads too. This all costs the taxpayers more money than we have to waste on such nonsense. Yeah, put the nation in harms way with terrorists and go after a pot head or a hacker, that's the real intent of the Patriot Act! They keep this up and we are going to get hit while their screwing around and fondling marijuana paraphernalia.
 
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Well here we go. More gov spying.
 
I don't care about the Patriot Act. I suppose I should, but I don't.

Let me know when it actually gets abused, maybe then I'll care.
 
ecofarm said:
I don't care about the Patriot Act. I suppose I should, but I don't.

Let me know when it actually gets abused, maybe then I'll care.
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It could be being heavily abused right now... The thing is, we don't know as the act doesn't require the government to inform us how much of our privacy it invades and when, nor is the government required to obtain a warrant before it enters our home, taps our phone, etc. Basically, there are no checks or balances in the law and fear is the driving factor, not logic or reasonable suspicion. It would be entirely different if there were checks and balances. The only thing you can do is read the law, and educate yourself on the risks.
 
ecofarm said:
I don't care about the Patriot Act. I suppose I should, but I don't.

Let me know when it actually gets abused, maybe then I'll care.
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:roll:

Nevermind that it could [or could not] be going on, but we'll never know because they hid behind classifying everything - like with the TSA's procedures - and nevermind that usually when it becomes very obvious it is usually very very difficult to fight, moreso than taking notice and fighting now.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
US extends controversial Patriot Act — RT

Not surprisingly this goes silent past most people. the temporary freedom robbing patriot act legislations has been extended and will end up snuk into US society permanently..
Sad day for democracy in the US, also shows there is not much difference between republicans and democrats or bush or obama.
in a fascist country non of these make a difference.
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Perhaps when Obama was talking about change he was talking about pocket change.
 
Rightwing86 said:
"This time he extended it without even signing the law himself. As he rested in bed following G8 meetings in France, an automated machine signed the bill with his signature for him."

Lol, kinda sad to read that. An automated machine to sign things into law? We really are lazy as ****.
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First thought:
You can do that?

Second thought:

The machines... they're taking over.
 
SheWolf said:
It could be being heavily abused right now... The thing is, we don't know as the act doesn't require the government to inform us how much of our privacy it invades and when, nor is the government required to obtain a warrant before it enters our home, taps our phone, etc. Basically, there are no checks or balances in the law and fear is the driving factor, not logic or reasonable suspicion. It would be entirely different if there were checks and balances. The only thing you can do is read the law, and educate yourself on the risks.
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This just isn’t true. A search warrant is required from a FISA Court for any of the actions you just described. Even the ACLU, who is vehemently opposed to this law, doesn’t make such contentions about warrantless searches.

If what you describe were true, SCOTUS would have slapped this law down as unconstitutional a long time ago. You may not agree with the law but spreading misinformation about it only makes you look less educated on the topic.
 
ecofarm said:
I don't care about the Patriot Act. I suppose I should, but I don't.

Let me know when it actually gets abused, maybe then I'll care.
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Leo Padilla, US citizen, arrested and held without habeas corpus for years on charages of terrorsim. 2002.
 
American democracy died on 9/11 and will not be resurected. You gave up your freedomsm willingly, you get what you deserve. I have no pity for you.

Maximus Zeebra said:
US extends controversial Patriot Act — RT

Not surprisingly this goes silent past most people. the temporary freedom robbing patriot act legislations has been extended and will end up snuk into US society permanently..
Sad day for democracy in the US, also shows there is not much difference between republicans and democrats or bush or obama.
in a fascist country non of these make a difference.
Click to expand...
 
GPS_Flex said:
This just isn’t true. A search warrant is required from a FISA Court for any of the actions you just described. Even the ACLU, who is vehemently opposed to this law, doesn’t make such contentions about warrantless searches.

If what you describe were true, SCOTUS would have slapped this law down as unconstitutional a long time ago. You may not agree with the law but spreading misinformation about it only makes you look less educated on the topic.
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Let me clarify by pointing out that not all warrants must go through a FISA Court. The act does address courts with jurisdiction over the offence under investigation. In other words, warrants and subpoenas are still required for the actions you described and the act makes clear that they must be obtained through a “court of competent jurisdiction’.
 
Yukon said:
American democracy died on 9/11 and will not be resurected. You gave up your freedomsm willingly, you get what you deserve. I have no pity for you.
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I still have my freedoms so I’m not sure what you are talking about.
 
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Patriot Act Enabling Government Abuse, Senators Say - International Business Times

The Patriot Act: Alleged Abuses of the Law : NPR

FBI Tried to Cover Patriot Act Abuses With Flawed, Retroactive Subpoenas, Audit Finds | Threat Level | Wired.com

Patriot Act Abuses Seen - CBS News

FOXNews.com - Critics: Patriot Act Warnings Come to Fruition - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

There you go. Five seconds of my time on Google and now you can care.
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The jerks in power always abuse the laws and even the Constitution itself. Do you propose that we get rid of the Constitution because of incorrect interpretations thereof or would you rather see us throw some of them in jail or out of office at a minimum?

If these senators are privy to abuses of the law, they need to start impeaching whoever is culpable or having them brought before the courts for prosecution rather than whining about it publicly.

Oh, thanks for your 5 seconds of brainless activity.
 
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