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Fireworks shows need new environmental review Court ruling could have sweeping impact

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What started as a battle over fireworks shows led to a sweeping legal victory Friday for environmentalists that could stymie a wide range of events needing city permits, from the Rock ’n’ Roll Marathon to birthday parties held at parks.

“According to the strictest interpretation of this, jumpy-jumps and everything else would be subject to environmental review if this ruling stands,” said lawyer Robert Howard, who represented the La Jolla Community Fireworks Foundation in the case. “It’s a breathtaking ruling.”

California Environmental Quality Act
• The statute requires state and local agencies to identify significant environmental impacts of their actions and avoid or mitigate them, if feasible.

• Its origin can be traced to passage of the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) of 1969. The next year, the state Legislature passed its own version and Gov. Ronald Reagan signed it.

• Projects that need discretionary governmental approval and could have an environmental impact generally require review under the law, unless an exemption applies.

• Public agencies are entrusted with compliance, which is enforced by the public through litigation.

Source: California Natural Resources Agency

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Fireworks shows need new environmental review - SignOnSanDiego.com

It's official, the country has gone completely mad. Permits? Environment IMPACT STUDIES for a fireworks show?

Environmental impact reports can take a year and cost tens of thousands of dollars.

“Does that mean every event has to get a full environmental impact report? No, but it means that the city has to undertake the burden and applicants have to undertake the cost” of a lower-level CEQA analysis, Howard said.

He said some “events” such as temporary Christmas tree stands have existing exemptions under the law, but many others don’t.

Alex Roth, a spokesman for Mayor Jerry Sanders, framed the suit as part of a “bizarre crusade to stop fireworks.”

“What’s next, a lawsuit against swimmers for polluting the ocean with their suntan lotion?” Roth said.
Roth, don't give them ideas man.
 
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Good. Patriotism should include protecting the environment.
 
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Like many things, depends on how it turns out. Filing paperwork to set off a few bottle rockets is unreasonable but if a city puts on a giant show I don't see why they shouldn't consider the local area in terms of pollution.
 
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Good. Patriotism should include protecting the environment.

Pray tell, how doe sa once a year Fireworks display harm the environment in any way? Here's a hint, it doesn't. The over all "impact" is minor at best. Such over bearing mentality does nothing for the environment.
 
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This is the very type of lunacy that has Cali going down in flames, no pun intended.

What a joke!

j-mac
 
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Now the regular people need to find these nut jobs and drag them out of there houses and start tar and feathering these freaks for our new form of fireworks and July 4 celebrations.
 
Re: Fireworks shows need new environmental review Court ruling could have sweeping im

Now the regular people need to find these nut jobs and drag them out of there houses and start tar and feathering these freaks for our new form of fireworks and July 4 celebrations.

Only with the proper permits of course. Tar can have a negative environmental effect.
 
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Only with the proper permits of course. Tar can have a negative environmental effect.


:lol:


j-mac
 
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As, usual some on here offer nothing that is debatable other than lame insults that target the bill and Californians themselves as a bunch of crazy lefty people.


I would say environment protection is a must as we live here and having bad Oxygen, and dirty water to drink is not a good thing. Also didn't you know that Fire works can cause fires and injury to people if used incorrectly. So it might also cause a bit of damage to the environment around these shows as well don't you think.


http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/downloads/pdf/tfrs/v5i4.pdf



[video=google;-6126121898177679789]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6126121898177679789#[/video]
 
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Re: Fireworks shows need new environmental review Court ruling could have sweeping im

As, usual some on here offer nothing that is debatable other than lame insults that target the bill and Californians themselves as a bunch of crazy lefty people.
Well as they say if the shoe fits..

I think California has larger problems to worry about other than regulating fire works, the people that push this B/S are clearly off their rocker or they are just malcontents ready to stir up crap at every opportunity they get.

California's priorities are definitely F ed up.
 
Re: Fireworks shows need new environmental review Court ruling could have sweeping im

As, usual some on here offer nothing that is debatable other than lame insults that target the bill and Californians themselves as a bunch of crazy lefty people.


Well, they are.

I would say environment protection is a must as we live here and having bad Oxygen, and dirty water to drink is not a good thing. Also didn't you know that Fire works can cause fires and injury to people if used incorrectly. So it might also cause a bit of damage to the environment around these shows as well don't you think.


http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/downloads/pdf/tfrs/v5i4.pdf


Yes, let's show a German factory blowing, and then restrict American's...How honest.


j-mac
 
Re: Fireworks shows need new environmental review Court ruling could have sweeping im

As, usual some on here offer nothing that is debatable other than lame insults that target the bill and Californians themselves as a bunch of crazy lefty people.


I would say environment protection is a must as we live here and having bad Oxygen, and dirty water to drink is not a good thing. Also didn't you know that Fire works can cause fires and injury to people if used incorrectly. So it might also cause a bit of damage to the environment around these shows as well don't you think.


http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/downloads/pdf/tfrs/v5i4.pdf



[video=google;-6126121898177679789]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6126121898177679789#[/video]

Arrogance and "What-ifism" is all you have sir, we mock because Cali has gone to the crazy farm.
 
Re: Fireworks shows need new environmental review Court ruling could have sweeping im

It's official, the country has gone completely mad. Permits? Environment IMPACT STUDIES for a fireworks show?

Don't you mean the La Jolla city counsel? Oh wait, you didn't read your own article, AGAIN??!!

That's just precious...:2razz:
 
Re: Fireworks shows need new environmental review Court ruling could have sweeping im

Don't you mean the La Jolla city counsel? Oh wait, you didn't read your own article, AGAIN??!!

That's just precious...:2razz:

I know where it's at, the fact it's HAPPENING AT ALL...

Is what is amazing.
 
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Pray tell, how doe sa once a year Fireworks display harm the environment in any way?

Ever been to Disneyland at about 10:15 at night?? For about 9 months out of the year.. They have a firework display that is rather large every single night.. I lived in Westminister for a number years.. I used to climb up onto my friends roof and we would sit and watch it..

People light fireworks off for other things besides the 4th of July.. Just saying..

In either case.. I just go to the indian reservations now..
 
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Ever been to Disneyland at about 10:15 at night?? For about 9 months out of the year.. They have a firework display that is rather large every single night.. I lived in Westminister for a number years.. I used to climb up onto my friends roof and we would sit and watch it..

People light fireworks off for other things besides the 4th of July.. Just saying..

In either case.. I just go to the indian reservations now..

They do fireworks at 6 Flags and Sea World here.

What's the environmental impact? None.
 
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I'd imagine there are a lot of toxic substances in some fireworks in order to give off the colors that they do.

If it's a big show then local air, water, and land quality will be affected as the debris settles.

This doesn't seem all the unreasonable.
 
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I'd imagine there are a lot of toxic substances in some fireworks in order to give off the colors that they do.

If it's a big show then local air, water, and land quality will be affected as the debris settles.

This doesn't seem all the unreasonable.

You imagine, you have no clue. Fireworks displays have been going on for DECADES, don't you think we'd of noticed any real impact by now?

Oh, wait, better to force an environmental impact statement, "just in case" right?

:roll:
 
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You imagine, you have no clue. Fireworks displays have been going on for DECADES, don't you think we'd of noticed any real impact by now?

Oh, wait, better to force an environmental impact statement, "just in case" right?

:roll:

They've been going on for a few centuries over in China.
 
Re: Fireworks shows need new environmental review Court ruling could have sweeping im

They've been going on for a few centuries over in China.

Exactly. Common sense has been given a leave of absence in this country.
 
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This thread seems like a good place to put the following. After all...stupid crap should be kept together imo. (easier to avoid)

New EPA Regulations Have Dairy Farmers Crying Over Spilled Milk

New EPA regulations have some Northern Michigan dairy farmers crying over spilled milk.

The Environmental Protection Agency intends to classify milk as a hazardous waste; in the same category as oil.
 
Re: Fireworks shows need new environmental review Court ruling could have sweeping im

As, usual some on here offer nothing that is debatable other than lame insults that target the bill and Californians themselves as a bunch of crazy lefty people.


I would say environment protection is a must as we live here and having bad Oxygen, and dirty water to drink is not a good thing. Also didn't you know that Fire works can cause fires and injury to people if used incorrectly. So it might also cause a bit of damage to the environment around these shows as well don't you think.


http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/downloads/pdf/tfrs/v5i4.pdf



[video=google;-6126121898177679789]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6126121898177679789#[/video]
Are you still driving a car?
 
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I know where it's at, the fact it's HAPPENING AT ALL...

Is what is amazing.

You said "this country" in an attempt to link this small town's fireworks law to the EPA...

FAIL.
 
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You said "this country" in an attempt to link this small town's fireworks law to the EPA...

FAIL.

And another lib linked a youtube video of a German fireworks plant going up in flames in the attempt to link it to Cali's stupid venture here....

BIGGER FAIL

j-mac
 
Re: Fireworks shows need new environmental review Court ruling could have sweeping im

Pray tell, how doe sa once a year Fireworks display harm the environment in any way? Here's a hint, it doesn't. The over all "impact" is minor at best. Such over bearing mentality does nothing for the environment.

enviromentalism is a movement that requires-as a byproduct-government control of private property

it soon becomes taken over by those who see government control of private property as the main goal rather than a byproduct
 
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