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What are the great sci fi/fantasy out there?

I will be sure to shoot myself when I get home today.

Just as long as you appreciate the gravity of your error. Are you looking for Star Wars tie-in novels? Because that's "sci-fi."
 
These are all first in a long series of books


Ian Douglas - Semper Mars
Vaughn Heppner - Invasion Alaska and Star Soldier
Randolph Lalonde - Spinward Fringe
 
Just as long as you appreciate the gravity of your error. Are you looking for Star Wars tie-in novels? Because that's "sci-fi."

No, I'm looking more for the kind of sy-fie that explores our universe, aliens, technology, etc, but not necessarily so much hard action (though a little action is always welcome -- I just don't want it to be, you know, an action novel). I'm kind of getting fed up with these pessimistic stories that depict humans retreating inward instead of expanding outward and expanding on larger undiscovered concepts.

Wool and Dust were two excellently written novels, but left you with the feeling of, "Eh, screw the future, it's obviously a hopeless and dreary place that I want no part of." Whereas in the Peter F. Hamilton novels, I thought, "I want that future. Right. The hell. Now."
 
No, I'm looking more for the kind of sy-fie that explores our universe, aliens, technology, etc, but not necessarily so much hard action (though a little action is always welcome -- I just don't want it to be, you know, an action novel). I'm kind of getting fed up with these pessimistic stories that depict humans retreating inward instead of expanding outward and expanding on larger undiscovered concepts.

Wool and Dust were two excellently written novels, but left you with the feeling of, "Eh, screw the future, it's obviously a hopeless and dreary place that I want no part of." Whereas in the Peter F. Hamilton novels, I thought, "I want that future. Right. The hell. Now."

Which is why hes my favorite author. The sheer scope of his world is amazing. Millenias of time, trips to other galaxies alongside transcendence.
 
I'm looking for some new sci fi/fantasy books to get addicted to. I've already gotten into authors such as Peter Hamilton and Patrick Rothfuss, if that helps to provide any clue of my likes. Though I'm not a crazy fan of Peter Hamilton's writing style, his vision of the future beginning with Pandora's Star strikes just the right balance between optimism and pessimism. Outright pessimism being defined as "Wool" by Hugh Howey and outright optimism as essentially anything by Isaac Asimov (though we sci-fi fans all love him just the same). And though I'm not quite sure what happened to Rothfuss's third book, his first two, The Name of the Wind and Wise Man's Fear were some of the most extraordinary fantasy writing in modern history.

For the record, here's my pet peeve: I just want a story. Don't dump the entire history of the universe/kingdom/whatever on me and expect me to memorize a thousand goddamn names and dates in the first chapter. Not even Tolkein did that in the Hobbit. In fact, Tolkein especially didn't do that. The proper way to introduce a reader/viewer to an entirely new universe is to start with the main character that's a hick in some backwater of the galaxy/kingdom. Think: The Hobbit and Luke Skywalker. Both characters are introduced into the larger narrative of the story through other transitional characters (Gandalf, Obi Wan Kenobi) and continue their growth thusly. The worst (or at least most tedious) stories tend to begin like homework assignments combined with Wiki pages. Spare me that crap, if you can.

Thanks. And if you haven't read The Name of the Wind and Wise Man's Fear, seriously, read that **** already.



The Expanse by James Corey. Series of novels that is quite awesome. Science Fiction, somewhere between medium-hard sci-fi and space opera. Relatively realistic on most of the science but long on action and interesting characters. Thoughtful. One of the best of the genre I've read in a long time.

SyFy is making a series of it... hope they do it right and don't butcher it.
 
The Long Earth series by Terry Pratchett and Stephen Baxter. A mix of science fiction and fantasy that has some great philosophical points, but doesn't let them get in the way of a good story.
 
The Long Earth series by Terry Pratchett and Stephen Baxter. A mix of science fiction and fantasy that has some great philosophical points, but doesn't let them get in the way of a good story.

Or Pratchett's Bromeliad trilogy.
 
The Expanse by James Corey. Series of novels that is quite awesome. Science Fiction, somewhere between medium-hard sci-fi and space opera. Relatively realistic on most of the science but long on action and interesting characters. Thoughtful. One of the best of the genre I've read in a long time.

SyFy is making a series of it... hope they do it right and don't butcher it.

I hope it has space sharks.
 
The Honor Harrington series started out very promising but round about book 7 or 8 I started to tire of Weber's constantly repeating his descriptions of the technology and was hoping someone would shoot the damned treecat. That said I've read the entire series and largely enjoyed it.

Do a search for "David Weber orders a pizza."

Here's a small part of it:

"How David Weber orders a pizza

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The telephone rang.

Jason Wilkins roused himself out of his dough-and-flour-addled stupor, and gazed at the ringing noise emanating from the receiver. He was tall, even for an American, this despite his father's very average height and his mother's petite build. Some had suggested -- in hushed tones and never to his face, of course -- that it was because his mother had long ago taken an ... interest in the very tall mailman who'd graced their neighborhood mail delivery route for so many years. Mail delivery was one of those necessary evils of modern American life; a citizen could send his friends and colleagues e-mail faxes that arrived in the blink of an eye, but there was always the reactionary old contingent who'd never wanted to bother with these "modern contraptions" who insisted on writing letters on paper and sending them through the antiquated network of delivery trucks and post offices, and so long as this contingent existed the mail would also have to exist.

The telephone rang again. Jason wanted to groan and roll his eyes, but he suppressed this urge and put on the mask of outward neutrality expected of a Pizza Maker Second Class. He'd graduated from the Pizza Making Academy with high honors, learning all the nuances of flavor balance, oven management, and paddle flipping -- not to mention the highly prized art of crust spinning -- that went into any Pizza Maker in the service. But he'd also learned the importance of Customer relations, and of the need to project a combined air of confidence and deportment whenever he answered the phone.

He slapped the flour dust from his hands, grasped the receiver, and placed it next to his ear. The light codes on the telephone's front panel danced from flashing red to solid green, letting him know that a live connection had been established.

"Pizza Barn," he intoned. "Is this for dine in, pick up, or delivery?"

"Before we begin," the deep, resonant voice on the other end of the line said, "Let me thank you for taking the time out of your schedule to talk to me." Of course, Jason knew, this appearance of graciousness was just a formality. Any Pizza Maker who'd ever received a call from a Customer knew that you made time for them, rain or shine, day or night, when the call came in. "I know many of you must be concerned about the latest announcements from the U.S. Department of Labor," the voice continued, "Which underscore the slower-than-expected growth our domestic economy has experienced over the last Fiscal quarter. Let me assure you that I in no way intend to withhold and funds from the unwritten custom of tipping that has become so prevalent in your industry.""
 
I know it is older but James Hogan's Giants Novels were a very good read.
Inherit the stars
the gentle giants of Ganymede
giants' star
 
Do a search for "David Weber orders a pizza."

Here's a small part of it:

"How David Weber orders a pizza

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The telephone rang.

Jason Wilkins roused himself out of his dough-and-flour-addled stupor, and gazed at the ringing noise emanating from the receiver. He was tall, even for an American, this despite his father's very average height and his mother's petite build. Some had suggested -- in hushed tones and never to his face, of course -- that it was because his mother had long ago taken an ... interest in the very tall mailman who'd graced their neighborhood mail delivery route for so many years. Mail delivery was one of those necessary evils of modern American life; a citizen could send his friends and colleagues e-mail faxes that arrived in the blink of an eye, but there was always the reactionary old contingent who'd never wanted to bother with these "modern contraptions" who insisted on writing letters on paper and sending them through the antiquated network of delivery trucks and post offices, and so long as this contingent existed the mail would also have to exist.

The telephone rang again. Jason wanted to groan and roll his eyes, but he suppressed this urge and put on the mask of outward neutrality expected of a Pizza Maker Second Class. He'd graduated from the Pizza Making Academy with high honors, learning all the nuances of flavor balance, oven management, and paddle flipping -- not to mention the highly prized art of crust spinning -- that went into any Pizza Maker in the service. But he'd also learned the importance of Customer relations, and of the need to project a combined air of confidence and deportment whenever he answered the phone.

He slapped the flour dust from his hands, grasped the receiver, and placed it next to his ear. The light codes on the telephone's front panel danced from flashing red to solid green, letting him know that a live connection had been established.

"Pizza Barn," he intoned. "Is this for dine in, pick up, or delivery?"

"Before we begin," the deep, resonant voice on the other end of the line said, "Let me thank you for taking the time out of your schedule to talk to me." Of course, Jason knew, this appearance of graciousness was just a formality. Any Pizza Maker who'd ever received a call from a Customer knew that you made time for them, rain or shine, day or night, when the call came in. "I know many of you must be concerned about the latest announcements from the U.S. Department of Labor," the voice continued, "Which underscore the slower-than-expected growth our domestic economy has experienced over the last Fiscal quarter. Let me assure you that I in no way intend to withhold and funds from the unwritten custom of tipping that has become so prevalent in your industry.""



ROFL. I thought that was how George R.R.R.R.R. Martin orders a pizza.... but then I noticed the lack of sex, nudity or even floppy penises and realized it couldn't be George...
 
Im currently reading Gene Wolfe's Urth of the New Sun, it was written in the 1980's so I dont know if it fits your recent criteria but its a mildly entertaining fantasy set in the dying earth subgenre.

For recent space operas I would recommend Dan Simmon's Hyperion cantos, Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash and Vernor Vinge's Fire Upon the Deep, also Niven and Pournelle's A Moat in God's Eye though that might be a bit too old.

I just finished Andy Weir's book the Martian too. If you like good old fashioned hard science then that book is a must read.

I read Dan Simmons Hyperion series, kind of weird but a pretty good read. I could not get into Snow Crash, book is in the house somewhere. Niven and Pournelle are excellent. The Legacy of Herot & Beowulf's Children I highly recommend. Lucifers Hammer was very good as well.
 
I read Dan Simmons Hyperion series, kind of weird but a pretty good read. I could not get into Snow Crash, book is in the house somewhere. Niven and Pournelle are excellent. The Legacy of Herot & Beowulf's Children I highly recommend. Lucifers Hammer was very good as well.



Snow Crash is a really awesome read, if you can get past the basic weirdness of the milieu.
 
I'm looking for some new sci fi/fantasy books to get addicted to. I've already gotten into authors such as Peter Hamilton and Patrick Rothfuss, if that helps to provide any clue of my likes. Though I'm not a crazy fan of Peter Hamilton's writing style, his vision of the future beginning with Pandora's Star strikes just the right balance between optimism and pessimism. Outright pessimism being defined as "Wool" by Hugh Howey and outright optimism as essentially anything by Isaac Asimov (though we sci-fi fans all love him just the same). And though I'm not quite sure what happened to Rothfuss's third book, his first two, The Name of the Wind and Wise Man's Fear were some of the most extraordinary fantasy writing in modern history.

For the record, here's my pet peeve: I just want a story. Don't dump the entire history of the universe/kingdom/whatever on me and expect me to memorize a thousand goddamn names and dates in the first chapter. Not even Tolkein did that in the Hobbit. In fact, Tolkein especially didn't do that. The proper way to introduce a reader/viewer to an entirely new universe is to start with the main character that's a hick in some backwater of the galaxy/kingdom. Think: The Hobbit and Luke Skywalker. Both characters are introduced into the larger narrative of the story through other transitional characters (Gandalf, Obi Wan Kenobi) and continue their growth thusly. The worst (or at least most tedious) stories tend to begin like homework assignments combined with Wiki pages. Spare me that crap, if you can.

Thanks. And if you haven't read The Name of the Wind and Wise Man's Fear, seriously, read that **** already.

I'm guessing you have read Asimov & Heinlein. I am partial to Asimov, particularly The Foundation and all the related material from various authors. For something with less action my favorite Foundation offshoot is "Psychohistorical Crisis" by Donald Kingsbury. Its from 2001 and a wonderful read.

Currently I am reading Drew Hayes Super Powered and Corpies online novels. They are free online but can also be purchased. Very entertaining and I usually go for the hard SF like Brin, Bear, and Benford write but Drew's writing's are very "cool" for lack of a better word. Although I can see some thinking it as silly. Drew Hayes Novels
 
Snow Crash is a really awesome read, if you can get past the basic weirdness of the milieu.

I read A LOT of SF and I just couldn't get into it. I have read Niven, Brin, Bear, Benford, Bova, Asimox, Heinlein, Hamilton, Vinge, Simmons, Card to name a few. Maybe I will try it again.
 
Im currently reading Gene Wolfe's Urth of the New Sun, it was written in the 1980's so I dont know if it fits your recent criteria but its a mildly entertaining fantasy set in the dying earth subgenre.

For recent space operas I would recommend Dan Simmon's Hyperion cantos, Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash and Vernor Vinge's Fire Upon the Deep, also Niven and Pournelle's A Moat in God's Eye though that might be a bit too old.

I just finished Andy Weir's book the Martian too. If you like good old fashioned hard science then that book is a must read.

Since you bring up Simmons, probably worth mentioning Illium and its sequel, Olympiad. Not many people could combine in one story Trojan and Greek warriors, plus Greek gods, plus a resurrected 20th century scholar, plus robots and people living thousands of years in the future, but not only does he pull it off, it is fascinating stuff. Some of the stuff during the battle of Troy is fascinating and well researched.
 
I'm looking for some new sci fi/fantasy books to get addicted to. I've already gotten into authors such as Peter Hamilton and Patrick Rothfuss, if that helps to provide any clue of my likes. Though I'm not a crazy fan of Peter Hamilton's writing style, his vision of the future beginning with Pandora's Star strikes just the right balance between optimism and pessimism. Outright pessimism being defined as "Wool" by Hugh Howey and outright optimism as essentially anything by Isaac Asimov (though we sci-fi fans all love him just the same). And though I'm not quite sure what happened to Rothfuss's third book, his first two, The Name of the Wind and Wise Man's Fear were some of the most extraordinary fantasy writing in modern history.

For the record, here's my pet peeve: I just want a story. Don't dump the entire history of the universe/kingdom/whatever on me and expect me to memorize a thousand goddamn names and dates in the first chapter. Not even Tolkein did that in the Hobbit. In fact, Tolkein especially didn't do that. The proper way to introduce a reader/viewer to an entirely new universe is to start with the main character that's a hick in some backwater of the galaxy/kingdom. Think: The Hobbit and Luke Skywalker. Both characters are introduced into the larger narrative of the story through other transitional characters (Gandalf, Obi Wan Kenobi) and continue their growth thusly. The worst (or at least most tedious) stories tend to begin like homework assignments combined with Wiki pages. Spare me that crap, if you can.

Thanks. And if you haven't read The Name of the Wind and Wise Man's Fear, seriously, read that **** already.

The Galactic Milieu & Rampart Worlds books and related by Julian May was captivating if you like space opera.
 
If you read Ender's Game, you may like reading Artemis Fowl. They are both for younger audiences, and I really enjoyed Artemis. The author has a great sense of humor.
 
Oh, and not mentioned but a couple more of my favorite fantasy series:

Riftwar Saga: Kinda a classic, came out 20 years ago and just did things right, alot of fun, alot of excitement.

The Deed of Paksenarrion: Well written story of a farmers daughter who becomes a mercenary soldier and, well, lots of stuff eventually happen, but really good stuff.

And back to science fiction:

A Confederation of Valor: Military science fiction at its best, and a tribute to sergeants everywhere.

Edit: sorry for all the spam posts here, but I read a whole lot, and threads like this fascinate me. I am filling my amazon wish list with other recommendations too(only 65 items in my wish list now ...).
 
I read A LOT of SF and I just couldn't get into it. I have read Niven, Brin, Bear, Benford, Bova, Asimox, Heinlein, Hamilton, Vinge, Simmons, Card to name a few. Maybe I will try it again.

Your list sounds a lot like my list. :)


The first third of the book is a little difficult. It seems not only to be a very weird and overly stylized world, but the story seems all but random and disjointed. All those bits DO come together in a very strange and unexpected way as the book develops, and the last third of the book is a page-turner. IMO, it's worth it. :)
 
I read Dan Simmons Hyperion series, kind of weird but a pretty good read. I could not get into Snow Crash, book is in the house somewhere. Niven and Pournelle are excellent. The Legacy of Herot & Beowulf's Children I highly recommend. Lucifers Hammer was very good as well.
My favorite Niven and Pournelle book is Footfall, possibly the best alien invasion novel since War of the Worlds- the ending alone is worth the big read. Inferno too was awesome and it helped drive me into atheism. :mrgreen:

My favorite old school sci-fi authors are Harlan Ellison, Robert Heinlein, Roger Zelazny (I wish somebody would make his Amber books into a tv show), Ursula K LeGuin, John Varley (his Titan trilogy is pretty good), John Wyndham (Day of The Triffids was my favorite as a kid) and of course Frank Herbert's Dune. I thought Philip K Dick had awesome story ideas but he was such an awful writer though.

Another book I would recommend is Liege Killer by Christopher Hinz, a very good action packed space opera about an assassin who inhabits two bodies. The Forever War by Joe Haldeman is a classic as is Saberhagen's Berserker books, Hammer's Slammers if you like military themed books, oh and Justin Cronin's Passage trilogy is an awesome vampire series.

EDIT: Oh and David Brin's Uplift books!
 
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