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Problem with teachers' unions

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TEACHERS' UNIONS

I can hear the left wing screeching in the background - Okay, crash course on Unions. A union is when a group of people want to work together to force an employer to give them more money. That's literally it. Unions are useful for when you're being cheated (like being paid pennies to get shot at, hint hint, POLICE OFFICERS) ~ however when it comes to teachers, things are a little bit different.

22 states in the USA do not have "right to work" laws. A right to work law means, you cannot be forced to join a union. Why do we want Right to Work? Its pretty simple: Unions are some of the BIGGEST influencers of American elections around, and its a TERRIBLE thing.

In 22 states, you're forced to give this group money, that they'll spend bribing politicians through donations, to force other states, to give this group money. Until eventually, everyone is FORCED to pay unions. Unions, eventually, want to CRUSH right to work, so everyone must join the union. Everyone must pay the union. Union power doesn't come from consent, it comes from force. If you want to teach the youth of America, unions will force you to pay them, so the union can push its own political interests. ALSO - unions are HARD LEFT WING, and support the democrats with all those forced union dues. If you are not a democrat, sucks to be you, you're paying the union to give money to democrats.

Let me make this clear, its called a TEACHERS union, not a STUDENTS union. Its an organization that pushes a policy that, after TWO YEARS working as a teacher, you now have tenure, meaning you CANNOT be fired unless you're caught stealing or beating a kid. TWO YEARS - working as a teacher, then you can never be fired. This leads to a policy of "Last hired - First Fired" - meaning the oldest teachers ARE NEVER FIRED even though most of them are inefficient and inflexible. Getting a job as a teacher starting out is harder than ever - because no one is leaving their job, even if they're terrible at it! I've experienced it myself. Teachers can just put up a documentary and ask for notes, then call that a curriculum. That's if you're lucky, some teachers will hand out worksheets, never teach, and then call THAT a curriculum.

***Bad teachers cannot be removed because of the unions, and ONLY the students are hurt by that***

Because as a teacher, the more years you spend teaching, the higher you're paid. So even if you hate students, you're motivated to stay, because the longer you stay, the more money you make. If you teach for over 10 years, expect a cool 100 grand working 30 hours a week [in Southern California]. 100 grand for 30 hours a week - plus vacations - and you'll never be fired. Can you expect that from any other job?

(Ah but teachers are angels sent from God!)

No. They're just people. People who took some tests at college, watched someone teach, then tried it for themselves. And there's plenty of bad teachers who fly under the radar - don't act like you've actually seen anyone teach - Because its illegal to have cameras in classrooms - and BECAUSE OF UNIONS - you usually have to tell the teacher you're going to drop in - That way they can make a lesson plan for that one day and then continue being a bad teacher every other day.

By the way, many unions caps hours. What does that mean? It means no matter your subject, you're being paid from 8am to 3pm. If you stay after hours, who cares, you're not getting paid. Now just think about this:

An art teacher, probably won't be offering after school tutoring ~
But guess what, a chemistry teacher HAS TO offer that tutoring ~
For chemistry, tutoring and extra help is basically a neccesity ~
BUT, you're only paid 8am to 3pm. So tutoring services are becoming rare ~

If teachers were paid on an individual basis - you better believe the art teacher will make less than the chemistry teacher - and rightfully so! What you teach, should effect what you are paid. In other words - teachers unions hurt students AND teachers.

Oh, and in case you didn't realize, taxes pay for teachers - So 100K for 30 hours plus vacations, plus never being fired, plus totally covered benefits like healthcare and such - plus they aren't even teaching - all paid for, by you.

BONUS -
As a member of the union, you are FORCED to go on strike when the union says so. Even if you still want to work, you are facing MASSIVE fines and penalties if you don't strike. So you're forced to join the union, give them money, and miss out on work when they say so.

TL-DR -
everyone must pay unions - so unions can pay politicians - to force you to pay unions... All while ignoring your child and leaving them with bad teachers.

Teaching is THE MOST IMPORTANT JOB in our society, so lets remove the corruption, remove the bad teachers, and prioritize the students ahead of your tenure.

Summary:

Bad teachers cannot be fired
Bad teachers that don't even teach
Union corruption wants to force everyone to join them and pay them
Old and inept teachers are never fired while young teachers struggle to find jobs
INSANE benefits given to teachers purely based on time teaching and not performance
Work 30 hours a week and make 30K a year ONLY AT FIRST
Teach for 8-10 years and you'll make six figures on 30 hours a week
Plus vacations and healthcare and dental and everything else
There's no way to measure teacher performance outside testing :P
Especially because no one is allowed to monitor their teaching
Unions ensure everyone is paid the same no matter how hard they work


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Now for some counters!

1) If teachers leave unions, they can and will still find great pay and benefits. Those things existed before unions and will exist after ~ if you're a great teacher (look at the politico article linked below) ~ then schools will be bending over backwards to have you ~ and you'll make more than unionized teachers because you won't have to give up money for unions to push their politics. More counters when I see great arguments!


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  1. <alt>doxygen's Avatar
    You made a lot of assertions. Generally posters here back assertions with supporting links. If you'd like to debate the points, please do that.

    It's obvious you hate (non-police) unions, but that's all you've proved thus far. Opinions are a right, so
  2. Trippy Trekker's Avatar
    This Screed would encourage me to keep my minor-age children away from it's author.
  3. WarmPotato's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by <alt>doxygen
    You made a lot of assertions. Generally posters here back assertions with supporting links. If you'd like to debate the points, please do that.

    It's obvious you hate (non-police) unions, but that's all you've proved thus far. Opinions are a right, so

    Boo hoo left wing shill complains there's not enough facts - here's some links to refrence that also apply to part two of the article coming up:


    Sources

    Obama's Impact On America's Schools : NPR Ed : NPR

    https://www.oecd.org/unitedstates/PI...results-US.pdf

    https://wilsonmccoylaw.com/is-florid...to-work-state/
    Florida is Right to Work

    AASA | American Association of School Administrators
    Charter Schools

    https://ies.ed.gov/ncee/pubs/20174013/pdf/20174013.pdf

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/1...e-house-214332

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesma.../#4f1ef2936277

    https://youtu.be/BxAsUuEYNKQ Whistleblowers on campus

    http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/b...al-correctness




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    PS - you don't need sources for facts that are plainly true and are known by anyone who has ever gone to school in America. For example, two years for tenure, all you'd need to do is look up the contracts between unions and specific school districts - and about the 100K a year, teacher wages are public record. Honestly, you have no counter so you simply cry that you want sources, truly sad.
  4. <alt>doxygen's Avatar
    For example, two years for tenure, all you'd need to do is look up the contracts between unions and specific school districts - and about the 100K a year, teacher wages are public record.
    Umm, no.
    Teacher Salaries By State | Average Salaries For Teachers | Beginning Salaries For Teachers | Teacher Raises | TeacherPortal.com
    https://teachertenure.procon.org/vie...ourceID=004377
    I have some issues with teachers unions, but you're just lying there.
  5. gulfman's Avatar
    The school resource officer and the rape counselor are the most important ones on the school payroll today.Just as you cant remove a bad teacher you cant remove a bad student.
  6. WarmPotato's Avatar
    So taking average salaries and beginning salaries - must be representative of all teachers - ignoring the fact that they CANNOT BE FIRED - so almost all teachers make much much more than starting salaries and especially in the place I spoke of in the article - southern california - make TONS more. 100K is actually an understatement on wages - not to mention tenure, free healthcare, retirement funds, and much much more.
  7. <alt>doxygen's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by WarmPotato
    So taking average salaries and beginning salaries - must be representative of all teachers - ignoring the fact that they CANNOT BE FIRED - so almost all teachers make much much more than starting salaries and especially in the place I spoke of in the article - southern california - make TONS more. 100K is actually an understatement on wages - not to mention tenure, free healthcare, retirement funds, and much much more.


    So it turns out that your rant is specifically about some district in SoCal?

    You didn't link any "article"...

    Seriously, your rant and follow up responses are pretty incoherent. You don't like teachers or unions. That should have taken you all of one sentence. Are you a homeschoolie?
  8. WarmPotato's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by <alt>doxygen
    So it turns out that your rant is specifically about some district in SoCal?

    You didn't link any "article"...

    Seriously, your rant and follow up responses are pretty incoherent. You don't like teachers or unions. That should have taken you all of one sentence. Are you a homeschoolie?
    Funny
    1) I went to public school
    2) I left tons of sources, so now you're plainly lying
    3) No, the video uses my experiences growing up in Southern California but the principles apply across America. Due to different rates of inflation and different price of living standards - though many teachers don't make the number of 100,000, they make effectively the same amount such as 70,000 when you factor in for those variables.

    4) You see I'm numbering things now? To keep the information organized for you? Calling something an incoherent rant doesn't make it so, all it does is make you look like someone trying to shut down debate - on a website all about debate.

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