Fox News viewers overwhelmingly misinformed about health care reform proposals.

Gill · Sep 1, 2009

buck said:
While true, I have no idea how that disagrees with anything I've said... Young, healthy people will have no reason to sign up for a policy while healthy. They will just wait until they get sick, then sign up knowing everything will be fine - at least until the government realizes they can't afford it.

Someone that has a lot of time, will just sign up when they need to go to the doctor - cancel once they're healthy, then sign up the next time they have to go.

Anyway,what you described is still preventing "anti-selection".

Very simple. Your waiting periods were incorrect in most cases.

If a young person has no insurance and becomes sick, then there is a waiting period of up to a year for pre-existing conditions, so I don't see how signing up after becoming sick will help much unless it is a long-term illness.

Gill · Sep 1, 2009

Devil505 said:
The words speak for themselves & no amount of spin can change them.
GOP leaders want to KILL any HC reform....PERIOD

Think Progress While advocating bipartisanship, Baucus admits GOP leadership is trying to ‘kill’ health care reform.

While advocating bipartisanship, Baucus admits GOP leadership is trying to ‘kill’ health care reform - Democratic Underground

Wonk Room GrassleyWatch: Tracking Grassley’s Efforts To Obstruct Health Care Reform

Did you leave out any far left looney web sites to quote?? I'm sure Huffington and Daily Kos have some words of wisdom for you to hang your hat on.

Can't you get it through your head!!! Conservatives are NOT against health reform. We are against THIS version of health care reform.

Devil505 · Sep 1, 2009

Gill said:
Can't you get it through your head!!! Conservatives are NOT against health reform. We are against THIS version of health care reform.

Problem is of course that........ANY HC reform will be just THIS ONE that they will oppose.
Spin all you want........It's obvious to most American voters & really quite insulting to anyone who isn't on the radical right.

& when you say this:

Gill said:
Conservatives are NOT against health reform. We are against THIS version of health care reform.

I am talking about GOP leaders (elected & media) & not the TRUE conservatives that very well may be looking for real HC reform.

GOP leaders are just looking to kill HC reform. To deny that is a silly argument.

Gill · Sep 1, 2009

Devil505 said:
Problem is of course that........ANY HC reform will be just THIS ONE that they will oppose.
Spin all you want........It's obvious to most American voters & really quite insulting to anyone who isn't on the radical right.

You're the one that likes to pull spin out of thin air with absolutely no proof to back it up.

Most American voters??? Every poll out there shows a significant majority are against the Obama/Kennedy/whatever name they want to call it today health care reform bill.

Devil505 · Sep 1, 2009

Gill said:
You're the one that likes to pull spin out of thin air with absolutely no proof to back it up.

Most American voters??? Every poll out there shows a significant majority are against the Obama/Kennedy/whatever name they want to call it today health care reform bill.

That's not true either. Polls show the GOP lies have taken hold but, once voters understand the truth, they support HC reform overwhelmingly.

This country will get what we voters want....True HC reform & it will be passed b4 the end of the year.

Gill · Sep 1, 2009

Devil505 said:
That's not true either. Polls show the GOP lies have taken hold but, once voters understand the truth, they support HC reform overwhelmingly.

Proof??

I won't hold my breath waiting on you to actually back up your odd assertions.

Devil505 · Sep 1, 2009

Gill said:
Proof??

I won't hold my breath waiting on you to actually back up your odd assertions.

If you don't work for the HC industry, then I suggest you are being duped into working for THEIR interests...against you own.
(If you do work for them....I can understand you're trying to protect your income)

Gill · Sep 1, 2009

Devil505 said:
If you don't work for the HC industry, then I suggest you are being duped into working for THEIR interests...against you own.
(If you do work for them....I can understand you're trying to protect your income)

Proof??

I won't hold my breath waiting on you to actually back up your odd assertions.

Still waiting.......

Devil505 · Sep 1, 2009

Gill said:
Proof??

I won't hold my breath waiting on you to actually back up your odd assertions.

Still waiting.......

Tell you what.......If you'll write your reps & tell them that you would like them to back the releasing of the Cheney Energy Task Force meeting minutes (so that we can clear Cheney of any wrongdoing) then I'll publicly admit I was wrong if no criminal activity is disclosed.

Will you write your reps so we can clear the air?

Gill · Sep 1, 2009

Devil505 said:
Tell you what.......If you'll write your reps & tell them that you would like them to back the releasing of the Cheney Energy Task Force meeting minutes (so that we can clear Cheney of any wrongdoing) then I'll publicly admit I was wrong if no criminal activity is disclosed.

Will you write your reps so we can clear the air?

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey show that 43% of voters nationwide favor the plan working its way through Congress while 53% are opposed.

Sure I will.... if you'll write yours and ask for the meeting minutes to the meeting Obama had with the pharmaceutical companies a few months ago. You know, the meeting where Obama gave them guarantees that drug costs wouldn't be cut in exchange for their support of his bill.

Devil505 · Sep 1, 2009

Gill said:
Sure I will.... if you'll write yours and ask for the meeting minutes to the meeting Obama had with the pharmaceutical companies a few months ago. You know, the meeting where Obama gave them guarantees that drug costs wouldn't be cut in exchange for their support of his bill.

Absolutely...Will do! (please post copies of the letters you send to your reps & I'll do the same, after you)

hazlnut · Sep 1, 2009

Gill said:
You forgot to post these poll results:

41% of CNN/MSNBC viewers believe the misinformation about illegal immigrants
39% believe the government takeover stuff
40% believe the abortion misperception
30% believe the stuff about pulling the plug on grandma

I'm sure it was just an oversight.

...and Gill is the first one out the blocks trying to derail the thread, change the subject, get people talking about something else.

And with such boldness and bravado, too--Not a source or link in sight.

Gill, your partisan hackery is amusing...:mrgreen::lol:

BTW-what is exactly is the 'abortion misperception'???

Devil505 · Sep 1, 2009

Devil505 said:
Absolutely...Will do! (please post copies of the letters you send to your reps & I'll do the same, after you)

I won't hold my breath waiting for yours though.

buck · Sep 1, 2009

Gill said:
If a young person has no insurance and becomes sick, then there is a waiting period of up to a year for pre-existing conditions, so I don't see how signing up after becoming sick will help much unless it is a long-term illness.

Because the public option will not have any pre-ex limitations.

a young person who has no insurance and becomes sick, just has to sign up for a policy once they become sick.

Since the public option will have no pre-ex limitations or waiting periods, he will be instantaneously covered. Quite the deal for him, not so much for us tax payers.

buck · Sep 1, 2009

Devil505 said:
If you don't work for the HC industry, then I suggest you are being duped into working for THEIR interests...against you own.
(If you do work for them....I can understand you're trying to protect your income)

Ah, my favorite lib argument of all time! We know what's best for you better then you do.

Devil505 · Sep 1, 2009

buck said:
Ah, my favorite lib argument of all time! We know what's best for you better then you do.

No the argument is that if you are making lots of money by lying you are probably smart. If you are making a fool of yourself so that OTHERS will make money.......Your are just dumb.

buck · Sep 1, 2009

Devil505 said:
No the argument is that if you are making lots of money by lying you are probably smart. If you are making a fool of yourself so that OTHERS will make money.......Your are just dumb.

Your argument boils down to the liberals know what's best for me better then I do.

I would suggest if you're in favor of the current reforms, you're just not very smart and can't see how things will eventually turn out.

DrunkenAsparagus · Sep 1, 2009

hammertime27 said:
Pre-existing conditions cannot be excluded from anyone's healthcare/insurance plans, according to the new bill.

This defeats the entire purpose of insurance. Why get insurance when your healthy, if you can when you get sick?

hammertime27 said:
I still don't see the big deal of this. The public option is just that. An option. No one need not use it if they want. Private options will still be open for people to use if they really want to. And from what it sounds like most of the conservative and centrist people here would use private healthcare even if the public option WAS opened to them. If you think it's flawed, then DON'T USE IT. Stop mongering fear, and just DON'T USE IT.

Well aside from creating another unsustainable entitlement. The public option would encroach on, and displace many private insurers, because it doesn't need to operate by market rules.

hammertime27 said:
Under Obama we have already seen the S&P index rise 12.7%. Apparently, something he's doing is working. And it seems to me that people are overreacting to something that really doesn't even apply to them, so they need to calm down and get a grip.

Only 11% of the stimulus money has been spent. Bernanke not screwing up with the money supply has helped. Also, if passed at some point, I'm going to be paying for this whether I want to participate or not.

Devil505 · Sep 1, 2009

buck said:
Your argument boils down to the liberals know what's best for me better then I do.

Yeah....I guess I could go along with that.

Devil505 · Sep 1, 2009

DrunkenAsparagus said:
The public option would encroach on, and displace many private insurers, because it doesn't need to operate by market rules.

Yeah.......How terrible that we wouldn't have to pay someone a profit if we get cancer....Un-American I call it. (next thing you know they'll be taking the profit motive out of your local fire Dept.....or the cop on the beat won't get that nice X-mas bonus for arresting the drug dealers near your kid's school!)

When did we raise profit to the level of a deity & whatever happened to the idea of helping your neighbor out.....for free?

buck · Sep 1, 2009

Devil505 said:
Yeah.......How terrible that we wouldn't have to pay someone a profit if we get cancer....Un-American I call it. (next thing you know they'll be taking the profit motive out of your local fire Dept.....or the cop on the beat won't get that nice X-mas bonus for arresting the drug dealers near your kid's scool!)

When did we raise profit to the level of a deity & whatever happened to the idea of helping your neighbor out.....for free?

The main problem is that when the profit motive is removed, companies won't be spending billions of dollars to reasearch new technologies, drugs and treatments. Liberals often times think they can reverse human nature.

Devil505 · Sep 1, 2009

buck said:
The main problem is that when the profit motive is removed, companies won't be spending billions of dollars to reasearch new technologies, drugs and treatments. Liberals often times think they can reverse human nature.

Of course they will. No one is saying to end capitalism in this country..Just don't make us all slaves to it!
(you guys can see nothing but black & white...Things are All bad or All good.....There is GRAY in the world)

buck · Sep 1, 2009

Devil505 said:
Of course they will. No one is saying to end capitalism in this country..Just don't make us all slaves to it!
(you guys can see nothing but black & white...Things are All bad or All good.....There is GRAY in the world)

Government will be artificially keeping cost down - it's one of his main objectives.

Devil505 · Sep 1, 2009

buck said:
Government will be artificially keeping cost down - it's one of his main objectives.

First of all....WE are the government, collectively....&

WE can & should do things (collectively) to help each other out & not expect to make a profit on everything.
(if you see a car crash, do you negotiate a nice profit for yourself b4 you help the people out of the burning cars?)

Some things you should do because it is the moral thing to do.....Like providing affordable HC for all citizens.

American · Sep 1, 2009

Devil505 said:
First of all....WE are the government, collectively....&

WE can & should do things (collectively) to help each other out & not expect to make a profit on everything.
(if you see a car crash, do you negotiate a nice profit for yourself b4 you help the people out of the burning cars?)

Some things you should do because it is the moral thing to do.....Like providing affordable HC for all citizens.

But that's for individual citizens to decide, not you.

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