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Fox News viewers overwhelmingly misinformed about health care reform proposals.

I point out the GOP Senators since their the ones against HC reform while they take full advantage of THEIR public option for it.
GOP senators do not appose reform, they appose Obama's flawed bill... and their option isn't public, it is supplied by their employer, which just happens to be the government.
 
Obama really hasn't done much except recite what people have been planning for years. It isn't his bill as such so much as the work of a large collective of politicians, analysts, and certain interested citizens.
 
Do you bother to read your own articles? Here is what the Republican said in the first article:
The Republican leadership in the Senate and in the House is doing its utmost to kill this bill,” he said. “They are putting intense political pressure on Chuck Grassley, Olympia Snow and Mike Enzi, to bow out, because they want to kill it.
This bill, as in the Obama bill. Not ALL reform. The article was deceptive and inaccurate when it used that quote as evidence that Republicans want to defeat ANY healthcare reform bill.

The words do speak for themselves...you obviously didn't read them. What you read was the "spin" you are accusing me of. You also have the problem of assuming that the opinion of one individual=the opinions of all individuals within that party. Even if 1 Republican did say they want to kill ALL healthcare reform (which has not happened) that does not mean that is the believe of all or even a majority of Republicans. That is a form of stereotyping, which is part of collectivism, a flawed ideology you seem to possess.

That second source is just a democratic website linking to the first article you posted...completely pointless...here is a quote from that source:
I don't give a flying f*#k what kind of a plan Max Baucus wants
Yes. Very credible indeed. Are these the people you hang out with? I wouldn't be surprised if you regularly visited that forum, it is full of rambling partisan hacks.

As for the third:
Please give me the exact quote that says that "Republicans are against all forms of healthcare reform". Once again, I just saw somebody against government healthcare...again you fail.

None of your sources proved your argument, and they were all from sites with very little credibility. One was from a far left liberal forum, and that is NOT evidence...(it matters not, the evidence in that post linked to the same first article...)
Devil505 said:
GOP leaders are just looking to kill HC reform. To deny that is a silly argument.
To say that is a silly argument. You have ZERO proof of your claim. The republicans have their own reform bill. Explain to me how having a reform bill means you are against reform. It is IDIOTIC. You assumption is grounded in partisan ideology and not factual information.

The Republicans have a healthcare reform bill. They advocate that along with TORT reform. They have had the bill before the healthcare issue really exploded in the town hall meetings. No Republican has ever said they are against ALL healthcare reform. Most have said that they are against GOVERNMENT run healthcare reform. Now, instead of posting some more rhetoric and trying to make a childish joke like "You forgot the laughing emoticons haha im so funny" how about you give me the EVIDENCE along with your opinions. And show me WHERE the evidence actually proves that opinion. So far you have not done so, and you have only proved my point.
 
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The whole point is to make HC affordable.


Intentions don't always match results


This is not an entitlement......It's an option.


Medicaid is an option for those who qualify. A public option basically says that any one can obtain insurance who wants it by legal right. That's an entitlement


I point out the GOP Senators since their the ones against HC reform while they take full advantage of THEIR public option for it.

It's a strawman that has no bearing on the current debate
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
Medicaid is an option for those who qualify. A public option basically says that any one can obtain insurance who wants it by legal right. That's an entitlement
That is absolutely right.
 
Good grief, thought we already hashed this one out. I swear I need to channel Barney Frank and say at times talking to some of you has the same benefit as talking to the dining room table. If anything the specific Rasmussen poll just showed that Democrats are more informed.

The question in the Rasmussen poll was "Did bush know about 9/11 before it happened". Anyone that followed the news, read a few books or so, would of course know that Bush was informed in August that Bin Laden was intending on attacking the U.S. by hijacking planes to fly into buildings...you know kind of like what happened on 9/11! Did Bush know before it happened? Well golly folks, he was briefed in August after all about a warning....

But the mass of stupidity we call (R)epugnants only watch FIXed news, which heaped praise and worship on the most incompetent fools of a President. So would the FIXed viewers be aware of Bush's failure to address certain key warnings? Would the FIXed viewers be aware that no WMDs were found? Would the FIXed viewers be aware that there was no al-Qaeda link?

(you know the false link that was told to us while the suspect was under 'torture'? Yep them harsh interogation methods sure do work)

Folks, we are talking about people with a lack of gray matter that can not even figure out that Colbert is mocking them.

Oh, I'm sure that's the common spin used by Lefties to explain why 61% percent of Democrats aren't actually idiots or hyper-partisan hacks (such being the implication of the poll if you use the same standards as the OP in this thread), but unfortunately, it has little basis in empirical fact. The question itself is obviously clear enough, meaning literally what it says, else you wouldn't feel the need to be so rabidly defensive about it and try to explain why it means something "else."

:roll:

Still, let's take what you say at face value.

The exact same type of "explanation" could easily be applied to the subject matter of the OP. Yet, big surprise, you're not nearly as charitable or willing to find the nuance there.
 
Medicaid is an option for those who qualify. A public option basically says that any one can obtain insurance who wants it by legal right. That's an entitlement

No. Incorrect. You need to get better informed on this issue.

An entitlement by definition is a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group.

The public option is a low-cost alternative to private insurance. People will still have to pay for it out of their own pockets/paycheck -- just not as much.

As far as the quality of care--that is a different issue. I have serious doubts about any massive government run program.

But no, it is NOT an entitlement.
 
No. Incorrect. You need to get better informed on this issue.

An entitlement by definition is a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group.

The public option is a low-cost alternative to private insurance. People will still have to pay for it out of their own pockets/paycheck -- just not as much.

As far as the quality of care--that is a different issue. I have serious doubts about any massive government run program.

But no, it is NOT an entitlement.

The government is in effect subsidizing anyone who wants to use it through tax dollars. It wouldn't be "free" like medicaid, but one must pay into SS and Medicare as well to withdraw.
 
...and Gill is the first one out the blocks trying to derail the thread, change the subject, get people talking about something else.

And with such boldness and bravado, too--Not a source or link in sight.

If you actually read a thread instead of jumping in the middle and whining, you would know that:

a. How can I be derailing a thread when I'm quoting from a link provided in the OP???

b. The source and link is in the OP.

Gill, your partisan hackery is amusing...:mrgreen::lol:

BTW-what is exactly is the 'abortion misperception'???:confused:

You'll have to ask NBC and MSNBC that question. It's a direct quote from them.

Do try and keep up. You're embarrassing yourself.
 
Devil505 ran away again...:roll:

Been busy & on other threads.......What did I run from again?

(it's dinnertime so I can't guarantee undivided attention right now)
 
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Been busy & on other threads.......What did I run from again?
I was just baiting you...you never responded to my last post, wondering if you ever will.
 
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