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    About this “silencing” thing...

    Theres a lot about this supposed silencing of dissenting opinions that really rings hollow in media. You see rich folks gushing out the eyeballs with money, the “intellectual dark web” who are not silent at all, in fact they are still speaking and making gobs of money. In today’s society, which would probably make Orwell livid, pretending to be Winston (**** you Dave Rubin you pretentious hack) is a marketing gimmick designed to create a boogeyman out of the opposition and poison the well before people get to the discussion so you dont have to argue with people that say you are wrong. It is a very effective marketing ploy and an incredibly self serving one. Remember if you are still speaking and making gobs of money doing so, you have not been silenced so the media should stop pretending otherwise. There are countless other people who have never had a voice, countless others who are silent. If you are someone like Trump Jr. Dont pretend you are some rogue figure fighting against the man. You are in ****ing power mah dude.

    Its a rant yeah but the sheer pretentiousness of this marketing gimmick is pretty bad. If i have to watch you before every video, you havnt been silenced. One reason i say this is because ive fallen for this gimmick before.
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    Re: About this “silencing” thing...

    Quote Originally Posted by bomberfox View Post
    Theres a lot about this supposed silencing of dissenting opinions that really rings hollow in media. You see rich folks gushing out the eyeballs with money, the “intellectual dark web” who are not silent at all, in fact they are still speaking and making gobs of money. In today’s society, which would probably make Orwell livid, pretending to be Winston (**** you Dave Rubin you pretentious hack) is a marketing gimmick designed to create a boogeyman out of the opposition and poison the well before people get to the discussion so you dont have to argue with people that say you are wrong. It is a very effective marketing ploy and an incredibly self serving one. Remember if you are still speaking and making gobs of money doing so, you have not been silenced so the media should stop pretending otherwise. There are countless other people who have never had a voice, countless others who are silent. If you are someone like Trump Jr. Dont pretend you are some rogue figure fighting against the man. You are in ****ing power mah dude.

    Its a rant yeah but the sheer pretentiousness of this marketing gimmick is pretty bad. If i have to watch you before every video, you havnt been silenced. One reason i say this is because ive fallen for this gimmick before.
    Well, let us move a moment from the J.K. Rowlings and Dave Rubins of the world for a moment, i.e., people with gobs of money and massive pre-existing followings and the social purchase that comes from this. Like many things in life, there is a spectrum. I think there is definitely a problem of silencing. It is not people being dragged out of their homes at midnight by the NKVD. It is really technology companies deciding who is and who is not worth listening to, and who is worthy of abuse and who is worthy of protection. Google/YouTube, Facebook and Twitter will arbitrarily decide what is worthy of being shown on their platforms (I should not say "arbitrarily", there is a method to their madness) by censoring or removing people from them who interfere with the flow of advertisement revenue. If a little fish like you or I with a relatively small channel (if we had one) or following says something that offends enough people to get us Twitter-mobbed or down-voted by rabidly self-righteous left-wing bigots or creepy 4Chan trolls/Neo-Nazis, well, we might very well have our lives ruined to some degree, especially if we are doxxed or our employers are made to be involved and we are fired in an effort to save face or controversy. If you have a nasty Tweet from back when you were in Middle School that you said just to be edgy, you may be very well looking at not being admitted into the college of your choice. That certainly is not a problem for someone with millions of dollars in the bank. This is a problem for those with little power to begin with.

    I think this comes down to the problem of private technology monopolies being so heavily integrated into our lives that being cut off from them or punished by them and through them can be a life-destroying experience. This is true whether we are talking about doxxing, emotional abuse leading to suicide (especially among children and young adults), a sudden spate of bad reviews against your employer leading to your job termination, etc. Technology firms have come to control the life chances of the vast majority of society. It is not a matter of the government silencing you. It is not even a matter of your local community silencing you. Now it is a matter of your life being ruined by people half a world away from you if you say something that offends someone with greater power than you, i.e., the technology firm's advertisers.
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    Re: About this “silencing” thing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    Well, let us move a moment from the J.K. Rowlings and Dave Rubins of the world for a moment, i.e., people with gobs of money and massive pre-existing followings and the social purchase that comes from this. Like many things in life, there is a spectrum. I think there is definitely a problem of silencing. It is not people being dragged out of their homes at midnight by the NKVD. It is really technology companies deciding who is and who is not worth listening to, and who is worthy of abuse and who is worthy of protection. Google/YouTube, Facebook and Twitter will arbitrarily decide what is worthy of being shown on their platforms (I should not say "arbitrarily", there is a method to their madness) by censoring or removing people from them who interfere with the flow of advertisement revenue. If a little fish like you or I with a relatively small channel (if we had one) or following says something that offends enough people to get us Twitter-mobbed or down-voted by rabidly self-righteous left-wing bigots or creepy 4Chan trolls/Neo-Nazis, well, we might very well have our lives ruined to some degree, especially if we are doxxed or our employers are made to be involved and we are fired in an effort to save face or controversy. If you have a nasty Tweet from back when you were in Middle School that you said just to be edgy, you may be very well looking at not being admitted into the college of your choice. That certainly is not a problem for someone with millions of dollars in the bank. This is a problem for those with little power to begin with.

    I think this comes down to the problem of private technology monopolies being so heavily integrated into our lives that being cut off from them or punished by them and through them can be a life-destroying experience. This is true whether we are talking about doxxing, emotional abuse leading to suicide (especially among children and young adults), a sudden spate of bad reviews against your employer leading to your job termination, etc. Technology firms have come to control the life chances of the vast majority of society. It is not a matter of the government silencing you. It is not even a matter of your local community silencing you. Now it is a matter of your life being ruined by people half a world away from you if you say something that offends someone with greater power than you, i.e., the technology firm's advertisers.
    I dont even want j.k rowling nor Dave rubin to be silenced. I still like harry potter despite the author being rather transphobic and Rubin wrote a book called “dont burn this book” when there was absolutely no threat of his books being gathered up and burned.
    I just wish a lot of people would get a sense of perspective. In certain cases it feels like there are people who do this left and right to manipulate the emotions of people. Epoch times does this all the time while their ads are played incredibly frequently on youtube even on practically every left leaning news talk channel i go to, mainstream media has not silenced them at all (I can add plenty of examples). Its like pretending that you are the underdog fighting the mainstream media despite being mainstream (ill never forget John Stewart’s welcome to mainstream fox news! quote)
    Kinda reminds me of how network television used to work in a way (advertisers had a ton of sway back then like they do now, thats showbiz).

    The rest of this i definitely agree and should have probably included. Social media companies have become way too big. I’d personally hit these companies with some antitrust suits. In order to come up with a solution we should realize that while people dont have a right to ad revenue, the companies that run these platforms need to stop trying to have their cake and eat it too. One of the bigger problems that do not get mentioned often is these platforms just allow anyone to copyright strike and the burden is placed not on the accuser to prove the content violates copyright but on the accused.


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    Re: About this “silencing” thing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    Well, let us move a moment from the J.K. Rowlings and Dave Rubins of the world for a moment, i.e., people with gobs of money and massive pre-existing followings and the social purchase that comes from this. Like many things in life, there is a spectrum. I think there is definitely a problem of silencing. It is not people being dragged out of their homes at midnight by the NKVD. It is really technology companies deciding who is and who is not worth listening to, and who is worthy of abuse and who is worthy of protection. Google/YouTube, Facebook and Twitter will arbitrarily decide what is worthy of being shown on their platforms (I should not say "arbitrarily", there is a method to their madness) by censoring or removing people from them who interfere with the flow of advertisement revenue. If a little fish like you or I with a relatively small channel (if we had one) or following says something that offends enough people to get us Twitter-mobbed or down-voted by rabidly self-righteous left-wing bigots or creepy 4Chan trolls/Neo-Nazis, well, we might very well have our lives ruined to some degree, especially if we are doxxed or our employers are made to be involved and we are fired in an effort to save face or controversy. If you have a nasty Tweet from back when you were in Middle School that you said just to be edgy, you may be very well looking at not being admitted into the college of your choice. That certainly is not a problem for someone with millions of dollars in the bank. This is a problem for those with little power to begin with.

    I think this comes down to the problem of private technology monopolies being so heavily integrated into our lives that being cut off from them or punished by them and through them can be a life-destroying experience. This is true whether we are talking about doxxing, emotional abuse leading to suicide (especially among children and young adults), a sudden spate of bad reviews against your employer leading to your job termination, etc. Technology firms have come to control the life chances of the vast majority of society. It is not a matter of the government silencing you. It is not even a matter of your local community silencing you. Now it is a matter of your life being ruined by people half a world away from you if you say something that offends someone with greater power than you, i.e., the technology firm's advertisers.
    Oh yeah ive seen a lot of small channels get mobbed. My own channel is really small and im fine with that but i guess im not important enough to mob or something.


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    Re: About this “silencing” thing...

    Quote Originally Posted by bomberfox View Post
    Theres a lot about this supposed silencing of dissenting opinions that really rings hollow in media. You see rich folks gushing out the eyeballs with money, the “intellectual dark web” who are not silent at all, in fact they are still speaking and making gobs of money. In today’s society, which would probably make Orwell livid, pretending to be Winston (**** you Dave Rubin you pretentious hack) is a marketing gimmick designed to create a boogeyman out of the opposition and poison the well before people get to the discussion so you dont have to argue with people that say you are wrong. It is a very effective marketing ploy and an incredibly self serving one. Remember if you are still speaking and making gobs of money doing so, you have not been silenced so the media should stop pretending otherwise. There are countless other people who have never had a voice, countless others who are silent. If you are someone like Trump Jr. Dont pretend you are some rogue figure fighting against the man. You are in ****ing power mah dude.

    Its a rant yeah but the sheer pretentiousness of this marketing gimmick is pretty bad. If i have to watch you before every video, you havnt been silenced. One reason i say this is because ive fallen for this gimmick before.
    Yes, this is Scamdemic. The dissenters and truth tellers are quickly censored. The US Treasury is being plundered in its name. The nation has been terrorized by the constant fear mongering by the mainstream media and Fauci & Co.

    A sad comment on what the US has become.

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    Re: About this “silencing” thing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Yes, this is Scamdemic. The dissenters and truth tellers are quickly censored. The US Treasury is being plundered in its name. The nation has been terrorized by the constant fear mongering by the mainstream media and Fauci & Co.

    A sad comment on what the US has become.
    Someone didnt read the thread.....


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    What Happened to ‘Without Fear or Favor’?

    New York Times journalists want news stories vetted prior to publication. They want mandatory & ongoing newsroom sensitivity training. The Gray Lady is now a place where journalists fear each other.

    Contemporary journalists don’t need to be told they should be careful when writing about certain topics: race, religion, gender issues, and so forth. Sensitivity filters exist inside everyone’s head.
    The minute, however, that sensitivity filters become formalized, the minute a newspaper makes it someone’s job to cleanse news stories of politically incorrect content, journalism dies.
    Remarkably, a union representing employees of the New York Times is now demanding exactly this. Three days ago, the NewsGuild of New York released a memo about diversity, equity, and inclusion. The Guild says it wants to “improve the working experience of Black, Indigenous, and people of color at the Times.” But the memo reaches well beyond that. . . .
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