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Family who owns NYT has history of slaveholders and more

Jack Hays said:
The answer to your question was in my post. I have no idea what the family believe about their slaveholder ancestors. Why? Because they chose to remain silent about them while their newspaper lectures us all about coming to terms with slavery in our past. Irony? Certainly. Hypocrisy? Very likely.
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The NYT's pet 1619 project goals were nothing short of fundamentally changing the way Americans view the history of their country which in fact is a slow painful pursuit of freedom for all but instead presented a deadly narrative claiming it was to continue slavery and the oppression of minorities. I saw hope when historians came out en masse to challenge the NYT. So far they have been successful in forcing the 1619 project to remove certain claims they made because they were unfounded and continue to challenge them. These people have a clear goal in tearing down every institution that has made this country such a great success. They have to in order to remake it.

Anyway, the blatant hypocrisy of the NYT is on full display.
 
Cardinal said:
See, if you knew what "hypocrisy" meant, you would know that "hypocrisy" and "I have no idea what the family believe about their slaveholder ancestors" are mutually exclusive.

But you don't know what it means, and you've quite clearly decided to embarrass yourself in post after post after post.
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Nope. To take the public course they did, their first obligation was to come publicly to terms with their own ancestors' actions. They did not.
 
vesper said:
The NYT's pet 1619 project goals were nothing short of fundamentally changing the way Americans view the history of their country which in fact is a slow painful pursuit of freedom for all but instead presented a deadly narrative claiming it was to continue slavery and the oppression of minorities. I saw hope when historians came out en masse to challenge the NYT. So far they have been successful in forcing the 1619 project to remove certain claims they made because they were unfounded and continue to challenge them. These people have a clear goal in tearing down every institution that has made this country such a great success. They have to in order to remake it.

Anyway, the blatant hypocrisy of the NYT is on full display.
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Yup. I too took heart from the thorough scolding by leading historians.
 
Jack Hays said:
Nope. To take the public course they did, their first obligation was to come publicly to terms with their own ancestors' actions. They did not.
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Do yourself a favor: look up the meaning of hypocrisy.
 
Cardinal said:
Do yourself a favor: look up the meaning of hypocrisy.
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Got it. It fits. Your semantic defense fails.

hypocrisy - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com

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hypocrisy

People who tell you not to eat candy while they chomp away on licorice all day? People who say they hate cars but always beg you for a ride? They are engaging in hypocrisy, or behavior that is different from what they say they believe.
A hypocrite is a person who practices hypocrisy: what they say is not what they do. The noun hypocrisy descends from the Greek hypokrisis "acting on a stage," from hypokrinesthai "to play a part, pretend," from the prefix hypo- "under" plus krinein "to judge." Many times kids are enraged by their parents' hypocrisy when parents make their children follow rules they don't follow themselves.


 
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Jack Hays said:
A hypocrite is a person who practices hypocrisy: what they say is not what they do.
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Excellent! So what did the owners of the New York Times say about coming clean about ancestors' past behavior?
 
Jack Hays said:
Got it. It fits. Your semantic defense fails.

hypocrisy - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com

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hypocrisy

[FONT=&]People who tell you not to eat candy while they chomp away on licorice all day? People who say they hate cars but always beg you for a ride? They are engaging in hypocrisy, or behavior that is different from what they say they believe.
A hypocrite is a person who practices hypocrisy: what they say is not what they do. The noun hypocrisy descends from the Greek hypokrisis "acting on a stage," from hypokrinesthai "to play a part, pretend," from the prefix hypo- "under" plus krinein "to judge." Many times kids are enraged by their parents' hypocrisy when parents make their children follow rules they don't follow themselves.


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Strange. Trumps hypocrisy never seems to bother you.
 
Jack Hays said:
Got it. It fits. Your semantic defense fails.

hypocrisy - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com

www.vocabulary.com › dictionary › hypocrisy
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hypocrisy

[FONT=&]People who tell you not to eat candy while they chomp away on licorice all day? People who say they hate cars but always beg you for a ride? They are engaging in hypocrisy, or behavior that is different from what they say they believe.
A hypocrite is a person who practices hypocrisy: what they say is not what they do. The noun hypocrisy descends from the Greek hypokrisis "acting on a stage," from hypokrinesthai "to play a part, pretend," from the prefix hypo- "under" plus krinein "to judge." Many times kids are enraged by their parents' hypocrisy when parents make their children follow rules they don't follow themselves.


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He can't win a argument without derailing, moving goal posts, etc. etc. etc.

Facts are kryptonite.
 
I don't want to hear any more complaints about the guy who worked with Tucker Carlson.

At least his family didn't have a history of owning slaves.
 
vesper said:
I think anyone with a couple firing neurons would not have a problem figuring out the "point".
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A lot of lefties accuse others of doing what they are doing...I guess to deflect from what they are doing...so now the NYT has to go overboard with BLM etc ..to atone for their nefarious past sins
 
Jack Hays said:
The answer to your question was in my post. I have no idea what the family believe about their slaveholder ancestors. Why? Because they chose to remain silent about them while their newspaper lectures us all about coming to terms with slavery in our past. Irony? Certainly. Hypocrisy? Very likely.
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As is John Coffee Hays, who I believe to be your avatar.

He was a part of the Republic of Texas, he moved there, which supported owning slaves. His great uncle was Andrew Jackson, a slave-owner (owned close to 150 slaves at the time of his death).

He was also a terrorist. As a leader of the mounted Texas Rangers that provided protection for US supply lines in the War with Mexico, one of his officers was killed in an ambush (Samuel Walker). He rode into the nearby village and killed a number of civilians in retaliation.

Now, obviously, I'm not going to go through all of your posts to see if you had talked about these things that your avatar did, but I am guessing that you had not. Or, I could be wrong and you can show us the previous posts where you did.

Your call. But just know that if you decide to talk about it now, then you will have lived up to what you believe to be hypocrisy.
 
Jason Warfield said:
As is John Coffee Hays, who I believe to be your avatar.

He was a part of the Republic of Texas, he moved there, which supported owning slaves. His great uncle was Andrew Jackson, a slave-owner (owned close to 150 slaves at the time of his death).

He was also a terrorist. As a leader of the mounted Texas Rangers that provided protection for US supply lines in the War with Mexico, one of his officers was killed in an ambush (Samuel Walker). He rode into the nearby village and killed a number of civilians in retaliation.

Now, obviously, I'm not going to go through all of your posts to see if you had talked about these things that your avatar did, but I am guessing that you had not. Or, I could be wrong and you can show us the previous posts where you did.

Your call. But just know that if you decide to talk about it now, then you will have lived up to what you believe to be hypocrisy.
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Actually, I have often recommended the book Empire of the Summer Moon, which includes great detail about Hays and his activities. That includes, btw, his subsequent move to California, activity as one of the founders of the city of Oakland, and actions on behalf of the Union during the Civil War. Jack Hays County in Texas honors him.
 
Jack Hays said:
Sorry, but I'm not your research service.
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Um...you already admitted you have no idea what they think, so of course you can’t provide a quote, and why the definition of hypocrisy that you provided doesn’t apply.

The fact is that you entered this thread having no idea what the meaning of the word is, and now you’re tap dancing in order to avoid acknowledging that you made a fool of yourself.

Someone told you when you were young, “When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging,” and you said in response, “No! When I am in a hole, I shall dig HARDER.”
 
Cardinal said:
Um...you already admitted you have no idea what they think, so of course you can’t provide a quote, and why the definition of hypocrisy that you provided doesn’t apply.

The fact is that you entered this thread having no idea what the meaning of the word is, and now you’re tap dancing in order to avoid acknowledging that you made a fool of yourself.

Someone told you when you were young, “When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging,” and you said in response, “No! When I am in a hole, I shall dig HARDER.”
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Sorry, but this is the second time I've seen you resort to denial and bluster when you find yourself on the wrong side of the facts. As the James Coburn character succinctly notes in (the original version of) The Magnificent Seven, "You lost."
 
Jack Hays said:
Sorry, but this is the second time I've seen you resort to denial and bluster when you find yourself on the wrong side of the facts.
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Then we can add “denial” to the list of words you don’t know the meaning of.
 
vesper said:
I think anyone with a couple firing neurons would not have a problem figuring out the "point".
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That you are giving a history lesson?
 
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