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The American Press Is Destroying Itself

Many memes are used in the world of propaganda. While our msm has it share of problems, I assure you that it is the best way to get "real" news about the country and world around us and there are people and even whole nations that work very hard to separate us from that information path.

If people would rather live the memes than work at using the various outlets that we already have then they are well on their way to winning the conflict and weakening the country. Social media is a poor way to obtain a good look at real news because so much of it is simply made up to fit someone's needs.

I'm not claiming that any one msm outlet is great or always correct. One has to look at many sources and spend some time with critical reading asking why this source gives this news using these words and how does it compare to others, including some that are from outside of our country.

You assure me? Golly, I feel better already.

Do you dare comment on the role of Operation Mockingbird? Any thoughts on what Edward Bernays was talking about in his piece "Manufacturing Consent"?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of."

Any thoughts on that, regarding the American press? Or no comment?
 
You assure me? Golly, I feel better already.

Do you dare comment on the role of Operation Mockingbird? Any thoughts on what Edward Bernays was talking about in his piece "Manufacturing Consent"?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of."

Any thoughts on that, regarding the American press? Or no comment?

Thoughts, yes. Those who constantly attack our press are not doing the country any good and they are aiding our enemies. One should always ask why they are doing that.
 
Thoughts, yes. Those who constantly attack our press are not doing the country any good and they are aiding our enemies. One should always ask why they are doing that.

They are doing that because they are more perceptive than you seem to be this morning.

In this country the media has been lying for decades. We have been deceived by the media for decades, but large parts of the public have not a clue that they've been fooled.

When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.
 
Considering Taibbi lived in, and worked in Russia for years. And because of that and him at times being 'soft' on Russia and the ussr conservatives 'use to' hate his guts.

So his quote here is kind of weird because he use to defend Marxists... Lol
bullying campus Marxism that passes for leftist thought these days.
 
They are doing that because they are more perceptive than you seem to be this morning.

In this country the media has been lying for decades. We have been deceived by the media for decades, but large parts of the public have not a clue that they've been fooled.

When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.

Trump is undermining the press to escape scrutiny. The Gop won't hold him in check, so the press are the last bastion against his overweening ego.
 
Trump is undermining the press to escape scrutiny. The Gop won't hold him in check, so the press are the last bastion against his overweening ego.

The press has been corrupted AT LEAST since Mockingbird, and that was in the 50's. Since then it has developed that just a few corporations own the press, even in the age of the internet.

Trump is an idiot and always has been, but the press was corrupt before he took the throne.
 
I believe the political leaders and activists who assiduously stoke these fears are doing so cynically. They see attacks on the press as a way to rally their base and distract voters from the weaknesses of their own candidates, without having to answer specific allegations.

Dan Rather and Elliot Kirschner

The Free Press Is Under Fire - The Atlantic
 
Latest from Matt Taibbi:


...But police violence, and Trump’s daily assaults on the presidential competence standard, are only part of the disaster. On the other side of the political aisle, among self-described liberals, we’re watching an intellectual revolution. It feels liberating to say after years of tiptoeing around the fact, but the American left has lost its mind. It’s become a cowardly mob of upper-class social media addicts, Twitter Robespierres who move from discipline to discipline torching reputations and jobs with breathtaking casualness... They’ve conned organization after organization into empowering panels to search out thoughtcrime, and it’s established now that anything can be an offense, from a UCLA professor placed under investigation for reading Martin Luther King’s “Letter from a Birmingham Jail” out loud to a data scientist fired* from a research firm for — get this — retweeting an academic study suggesting nonviolent protests may be more politically effective than violent ones!


Now, this madness is coming for journalism. Beginning on Friday, June 5th, a series of controversies rocked the media. By my count, at least eight news organizations dealt with internal uprisings (it was likely more). Most involved groups of reporters and staffers demanding the firing or reprimand of colleagues who’d made politically “problematic” editorial or social media decisions.... It’s been learned in these episodes we may freely misreport reality, so long as the political goal is righteous. It was okay to publish the now-discredited Steele dossier, because Trump is scum. MSNBC could put Michael Avenatti on live TV to air a gang rape allegation without vetting, because who cared about Brett Kavanaugh – except press airing of that wild story ended up being a crucial factor in convincing key swing voter Maine Senator Susan Collins the anti-Kavanaugh campaign was a political hit job (the allegation illustrated, “why the presumption of innocence is so important,” she said). Reporters who were anxious to prevent Kavanaugh’s appointment, in other words, ended up helping it happen through overzealousness.


There were no press calls for self-audits after those episodes, just as there won’t be a few weeks from now if Covid-19 cases spike, or a few months from now if Donald Trump wins re-election successfully painting the Democrats as supporters of violent protest who want to abolish police. No: press activism is limited to denouncing and shaming colleagues for insufficient fealty to the cheap knockoff of bullying campus Marxism that passes for leftist thought these days.

You forgot the rest of that speech. Dr. King called for people to understand why riots are happening even if he did condemn them. Riots are the voice of the unheard.
 
You forgot the rest of that speech. Dr. King called for people to understand why riots are happening even if he did condemn them. Riots are the voice of the unheard.
Sure. And self destructive, tyrannical, and wrong.

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The American Press, and really all MSM media the world over is pretty much a waste of space. Propaganda outlets working for powers in pursuit of global hegemony.

I can't stands them...
 
Sure. And self destructive, tyrannical, and wrong.

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Rioting does not tyranny make. Its about as American as apple pie. Ask the founders :p. When people are crushed down by the system, they dont simply sit and die its either reform or revolt to secure their rights.
 
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Rioting does not tyranny make

It does. Feel free to check with those it tramples.

Its about as American as apple pie. Ask the founders

:) The Founders established ordered liberty, not riots; they were clear about the destructive, hateful, freedom-destroying nature of the mob.

You are confusing the American Revolution with the French one.

When people are crushed down by the system, they dont simply sit and die its either reform or revolt to secure their rights.

Revolution =\= Rioting, and our system is set up for Reform. We also don't respond well to threats, which is a big part of why riots are so self-defeating.
 
It does. Feel free to check with those it tramples.



:) The Founders established ordered liberty, not riots; they were clear about the destructive, hateful, freedom-destroying nature of the mob.

You are confusing the American Revolution with the French one.



Revolution =\= Rioting, and our system is set up for Reform. We also don't respond well to threats, which is a big part of why riots are so self-defeating.

Rioting and general unrest does bring powerful people to the table, disrupting the machine. Yes they were fearful of the people they enslaved, denied the vote, and the natives. Those “mobs” didnt take too kindly. Rioting tends to not come from the people who are already comfortable at the top, they come from the bottom when the people at the top push them too far thus rioting is not tyranny. There is no power structure to enforce it. You have a very reductive view of history. Americans rioted when the US government said **** you when it came time to pay soldiers for their service, the government was forced to the table.
 
Rioting and general unrest does bring powerful people to the table, disrupting the machine.


Rioting and general unrest boosts authoritarians who promise to suppress the unrest. Appeal to America's sense of basic fairness as someone unjustly victimized, and we will hear you sympathetically. Threaten us, and we will do to you what we did to the Japanese.

Yes they were fearful of the people they enslaved, denied the vote, and the natives.

They recognized that mobs overrode liberty, trampled freedom, and destroyed civil society.

You have a very reductive view of history

[emoji38] do you know what the most common kind of riot in American history is?

A hint: it often ended with black men hanging from trees. That's a riot. That's what the mob does.



Americans rioted when the US government said **** you when it came time to pay soldiers for their service, the government was forced to the table.

[emoji38] The American government drove the bonus army off with infantry, calvary, and tanks.
 
Rioting does not tyranny make. Its about as American as apple pie. Ask the founders :p. When people are crushed down by the system, they dont simply sit and die its either reform or revolt to secure their rights.

The Boston Tea Party was "rioting" in the eyes of the British. It was also overt acts petitioning the government for change.

As to tearing down statues, the US government quickly moved to tear down the statue of Saddam when it arrived in Baghdad.
 
Rioting and general unrest boosts authoritarians who promise to suppress the unrest. Appeal to America's sense of basic fairness as someone unjustly victimized, and we will hear you sympathetically. Threaten us, and we will do to you what we did to the Japanese.



They recognized that mobs overrode liberty, trampled freedom, and destroyed civil society.



[emoji38] do you know what the most common kind of riot in American history is?

A hint: it often ended with black men hanging from trees. That's a riot. That's what the mob does.



[emoji38] The American government drove the bonus army off with infantry, calvary, and tanks.


You dont ask nicely when you have a boot on your neck. Its no wonder you dont understand why these things happen. Actually the klan was the ones in power when lynching occurred on a mass scale. They lynched to preserve the dominant system of white supremacy and reduce voting turnout. If you have such an unrealistic take on rioting, you dont understand history. Politeness tends to get you ignored by those in power, when those in power make it nearly impossible to live, rioting becomes the only option left when all other methods have been exhausted. Its pretty telling you are using an act of racial injustice as threats. As for making a sympathetic case? That is pure hogwash. Kaepernik was the sympathetic case, he enraged the defensiveness of righties all around America who expected the black man to speak out on their terms or be fired. After that, all bets were off.

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If you want to trot out Dr. King next time you might want to read the full context.
 
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You dont ask nicely when you have a boot on your neck

1. That's a BS description

2. However, it is also neither here not there, as it doesn't address the point. If you don't want the "boot" to become a guillotine, then avoiding rioting is your wisest course.

Its no wonder you dont understand why these things happen.

You seem to be confusing "understanding the key drivers of events" with "thinking everyone is making wise or justifiable decisions".

Actually the klan was the ones in power when lynching occurred on a mass scale. They lynched to preserve the dominant system of white supremacy and reduce voting turnout

And to keep blacks generally fearful and suppressed and make themselves feel powerful. Welcome to the mob - that's how it acts.


If you have such an unrealistic take on rioting, you dont understand history. Politeness tends to get you ignored by those in power, when those in power make it nearly impossible to live, rioting becomes the only option left when all other methods have been exhausted.

1. Again, you are painting a hyperbolic BS picture

2. Actually, peaceful protest by those claiming victim status has a history of producing wins, especially if those protesting get abused by authority in particularly awful ways during the protest. Rioting has the opposite effect - it turns those you needed to win over against you, and causes people to support a Law And Order backlash to suppress you, instead.

Its pretty telling you are using an act of racial injustice as threats.

I'm pointing out that the thing you are trying to whitewash and justify is ugly, brutal, dangerous, and has a history of being ugly, brutal, and dangerous. It's no one's fault but your own if you don't like that.


If you want to trot out Dr. King next time you might want to read the full context.

:snorts: says the man whose use of his words depends entirely on stripping them from context, and who is literally rejecting MLK's argument in that speech here in this thread. [emoji14]
 
1. That's a BS description

2. However, it is also neither here not there, as it doesn't address the point. If you don't want the "boot" to become a guillotine, then avoiding rioting is your wisest course.



You seem to be confusing "understanding the key drivers of events" with "thinking everyone is making wise or justifiable decisions".



And to keep blacks generally fearful and suppressed and make themselves feel powerful. Welcome to the mob - that's how it acts.




1. Again, you are painting a hyperbolic BS picture

2. Actually, peaceful protest by those claiming victim status has a history of producing wins, especially if those protesting get abused by authority in particularly awful ways during the protest. Rioting has the opposite effect - it turns those you needed to win over against you, and causes people to support a Law And Order backlash to suppress you, instead.



I'm pointing out that the thing you are trying to whitewash and justify is ugly, brutal, dangerous, and has a history of being ugly, brutal, and dangerous. It's no one's fault but your own if you don't like that.




:snorts: says the man whose use of his words depends entirely on stripping them from context, and who is literally rejecting MLK's argument in that speech here in this thread. [emoji14]

I literally put the whole quote in context for you bub. He was saying that even though he does not condone rioting, he was clear about not dismissing them as being evil which you are doing. Next time read the quote in full context. The panthers and malcolm x were essential parts of the struggle.

The japanese were not interned for their safety nor because of anything they did.

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It took what we are seeing today because people balked at the peaceful method.
 
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I do not believe that the mainstream media deliberately lies. When a newspaper or a broadcasting station reports something that is not true it reports a retraction. Nevertheless, the mainstream media chooses which stories to report and how to report them. Years ago I read an essay in The New York Times that said that most liberals do not want to read anything negative about homosexuals and blacks. Liberal editors and journalists do not want to report anything negative about them either.

We can see that in the Matthew Shepard case. In October 12, 1998 Matthew Shepard, a homosexual, was killed by two men he picked up in a bar. For months this story was in the national news. At about the same time a thirteen year old boy was raped and tortured to death by two adult male homosexuals. This story was hardly covered at all. I did not learn about it until years later.

The tragic story of Jesse Dirkhising - WND

On February 26, 2012 Trayvon Martin was killed by George Zimmerman. The first impression most of us got of this was of a photo of a sullen, malevolent George Zimmerman, and a smiling, innocent looking looking Trayvon Martin that was taken many years before the event. The mainstream media had access to photos of Zimmerman that clearly showed that he had been thrown on the ground, and punched in the face. The mainstream media also had access to photos of Martin taken shortly before the encounter in which he was giving gang and obscene signals with his fingers. It choose not to present them. We were told that Zimmerman had a gun, and Martin only had Skittles.

The first impression most Americans, including me, got of this encounter was that a friendly black boy was murdered by a brutal racist just for the fun of it.
 
You are a most naive soul, believing that the media never lies.
 
I literally put the whole quote in context for you bub.

You literally tried to lean on one phrase shorn of even it's entire sentence which described riots as the voice of the unheard.

He was saying that even though he does not condone rioting, he was clear about not dismissing them

Here's what he was saying:

......It is as necessary for me to be as vigorous in condemning the conditions which cause persons to feel that they must engage in riotous activities as it is for me to condemn riots. I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met.... Let me say as I’ve always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. I’m still convinced that nonviolence is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for freedom and justice. I feel that violence will only create more social problems than they will solve. That in a real sense it is impracticable for the Negro to even think of mounting a violent revolution in the United States. So I will continue to condemn riots, and continue to say to my brothers and sisters that this is not the way. And continue to affirm that there is another way.

And I would be the first to say that I am still committed to militant, powerful, massive, non*violence as the most potent weapon in grappling with the problem from a direct action point of view. I’m absolutely convinced that a riot merely intensifies the fears of the white community while relieving the guilt....



The panthers and malcolm x were essential parts of the struggle.

Yeah. The self-destructive parts that gave rise to a backlash.

Because MLK was correct about the self-destruction and correct about the backlash:
......Critically, in the case of the 1960s black freedom struggle, these results suggest that nothing in the contest between the more egalitarian and order-maintenance political coalitions was inevitable. These findings suggest that the “transformative egalitarian” coalition . . . was fragile but, in the absence of violent protests, would likely have won the presidential election of 1968. In this counterfactual scenario, the United States would have elected Hubert Humphrey, lead author of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, rather than Richard Nixon. In the absence of white antipathy to black uprisings, the “law and order” coalition would not have carried the day and, possibly, not developed a durable campaigning and governing strategy for the next half century...

The violence associated with the later stages of the civil rights movement burned through public support for it, and turned middle America from asking whether or not our society should be fairer to asking how we can most effectively suppress our violent elements.



George Floyd's family are right, and you are wrong.

Barack Obama is right, and you are wrong.

And Martin Luther King Jr was right, and you are wrong.


The japanese were not interned for their safety nor because of anything they did.

The Japanese empire attacked the American navy in port and threatened American soil and so we burned their islands into ash, smashing them so thoroughly that even the atom bombs were not the most destruction we wrecked on them. Had the atom bombs not worked (and they only barely did), the plan was to invade the home islands in a campaign that would have come close to effectively ending the Japanese people. We can respond well to appeals. We don't respond well to threats.



we are seeing today because people balked at the peaceful method.

Interesting. So, if peaceful protest doesn't get you what you want, you are justified in turning to violence? Asking for a Pro-Life movement.
 
MLK was also murdered by those same folks that were part of that backlash. The panthers were protecting people from the police who were going around beating up people of color for merely existing, the FBI was harassing People in the civil rights movement (hello Cointelpro), and the CIA were murdering civil rights leaders.

MLK: A riot is the language of the unheard - CBS News

KING: There's no doubt about that. I will agree that there is a group in the Negro community advocating violence now. I happen to feel that this group represents a numerical minority. Surveys have revealed this. The vast majority of Negroes still feel that the best way to deal with the dilemma that we face in this country is through non-violent resistance, and I don't think this vocal group will be able to make a real dent in the Negro community in terms of swaying 22 million Negroes to this particular point of view. And I contend that the cry of "black power" is, at bottom, a reaction to the reluctance of white power to make the kind of changes necessary to make justice a reality for the Negro. I think that we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard. And, what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the economic plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years


Im saying rioting is the last ditch effort of the unheard. Dont want riots? End the oppression. When you have powerful people that would never listen to the people that carry them on their shoulders, people turn to rioting. For me, rioting is almost always a nono but there are certain times when people get fed up and they rip the boot to shreds.
 
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MLK was also murdered by those same folks that were part of that backlash. The panthers were protecting people from the police who were going around beating up people of color for merely existing, the FBI was harassing People in the civil rights movement (hello Cointelpro), and the CIA were murdering civil rights leaders.

MLK: A riot is the language of the unheard - CBS News

KING: There's no doubt about that. I will agree that there is a group in the Negro community advocating violence now. I happen to feel that this group represents a numerical minority. Surveys have revealed this. The vast majority of Negroes still feel that the best way to deal with the dilemma that we face in this country is through non-violent resistance, and I don't think this vocal group will be able to make a real dent in the Negro community in terms of swaying 22 million Negroes to this particular point of view. And I contend that the cry of "black power" is, at bottom, a reaction to the reluctance of white power to make the kind of changes necessary to make justice a reality for the Negro. I think that we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard. And, what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the economic plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years


Im saying rioting is the last ditch effort of the unheard. Dont want riots? End the oppression. When you have powerful people that would never listen to the people that carry them on their shoulders, people turn to rioting.



The guy, and it was only one guy who shot MLK, was a backwards, white loser who was hoping to start a race war.

We have a lot of these types in our history but they aren't an organized group.
 
The guy, and it was only one guy who shot MLK, was a backwards, white loser who was hoping to start a race war.

We have a lot of these types in our history but they aren't an organized group.
The FBI and CIA were and are organized group, they were both anti civil rights.
 
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