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Rickeroo

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Now that we know US deaths from Covid will top out at about 0.046% of the population, CNN is back to form with the important news of the day:

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Of course there's the standard N word nonsense. Though that word gains national attention, so far the use or non-use of it hasn't had much of an effect:

Baltimore City Homicides

Want to know CNN's wisdom about certain brown Americans and Covid?

Understanding why Latinos are so hard hit by Covid-19 - CNN

The varied impact of the disease on Latinos gives us an opportunity to talk about the unwieldiness of the label itself, which was born out of a need for greater visibility and political power for those of Latin American descent in the US. Since the 1960s and 1970s, terms like "Hispanic" and "Latino" have been used almost interchangeably though the former is often seen as reflecting conservative politics and the latter liberal, while "Latinx," a futurist label aims to be inclusive of non-binary LGBTQ folks is slowly growing in popularity. Latinos come from 21 different countries (including Puerto Rico, an unincorporated territory of the US since 1898), descend from several different "races," and do not have a uniform social class status. A "Latino" might be an African-identified Garifuna from Honduras living in Florida, a third-generation light-skinned Puerto Rican living in New York, or a Mixtec-speaking Mexican immigrant living in California -- and that's not even scratching the surface of our diversity.

What's the message here? We need to do a better job of precisely classifying these brown people. "Mixtec-speaking" is a new one! Keep tuned to CNN for the latest in classifying and segregating Americans.
 
Rickeroo said:
Now that we know US deaths from Covid will top out at about 0.046% of the population, CNN is back to form with the important news of the day:

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Of course there's the standard N word nonsense. Though that word gains national attention, so far the use or non-use of it hasn't had much of an effect:

Baltimore City Homicides

Want to know CNN's wisdom about certain brown Americans and Covid?

Understanding why Latinos are so hard hit by Covid-19 - CNN

The varied impact of the disease on Latinos gives us an opportunity to talk about the unwieldiness of the label itself, which was born out of a need for greater visibility and political power for those of Latin American descent in the US. Since the 1960s and 1970s, terms like "Hispanic" and "Latino" have been used almost interchangeably though the former is often seen as reflecting conservative politics and the latter liberal, while "Latinx," a futurist label aims to be inclusive of non-binary LGBTQ folks is slowly growing in popularity. Latinos come from 21 different countries (including Puerto Rico, an unincorporated territory of the US since 1898), descend from several different "races," and do not have a uniform social class status. A "Latino" might be an African-identified Garifuna from Honduras living in Florida, a third-generation light-skinned Puerto Rican living in New York, or a Mixtec-speaking Mexican immigrant living in California -- and that's not even scratching the surface of our diversity.

What's the message here? We need to do a better job of precisely classifying these brown people. "Mixtec-speaking" is a new one! Keep tuned to CNN for the latest in classifying and segregating Americans.
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That's not the message, that's just what you got out of it.
 
Rickeroo said:
What's the message here? We need to do a better job of precisely classifying these brown people. "Mixtec-speaking" is a new one! Keep tuned to CNN for the latest in classifying and segregating Americans.
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Well before my time as a child, and I am 71, the word Spic was an insult reserved for Italian immigrant laborers. Somehow it later became an insult for Mexican Americans and Puerto Ricans. Forget the diversity within both groups, peoples from other parts of Central and South America, the Caribbean barely entered the national consciousness beyond Hollywood misrepresentations of Tango and Limbo Dancers, early Harry Belafonte singing Caribbean tunes. Then in the 1970's liberals started using the word Hispanic, to label Spanish speaking peoples, as if it were more respectful. But in my eyes, respect requires no label. About the same time, I started hearing young Spanish speaking women referring to themselves as Latinas, which had a bit of a poetic license and ring to it. And it came from them, not outsiders. That started being picked up in various Spanish and Portuguese speaking communities along with the Latinos. Both grew all inclusive, and both retain that poetic ring, and I believe signify a multicultural encompassing self respect.

Now, I do understand self respect in cultural definition, and I understand segregation isn't always imposed. People of the same culture are comfortable with other people of that same or similar culture. Not a negative, just part of the reality. I also remember when Newrican was in vogue, Puerto Rican youth who as adults spoke a mix of English and Spanish that was neither one or the other, and almost indecipherable to others, regardless of whether they were English speaking or Spanish speaking. What linguists sometimes call a pigeon language, meaning a mix of languages forming itself temporarily into something new and more permanent.

I can understand the political necessities for segregating by labels, economic classes, because the needs differ. And for that set of classifications, culture is secondary. Now I do take affront of your labeling Spanish speaking people as brown. Some are, some aren't. I'm Eurasian, neither white nor Asian. I look like neither, and I look like both. I do not speak any of the languages of my ancestry, recalling a few words and phrases from childhood. But rarely using them, yet still taking pride in that ancestry. I was fortunate, growing up among diverse communities, where we all ran into prejudices from our parents and dismissed them because we were busy doing and a friend was a friend because we shared experiences. Of my two closest friends from childhood to today, one Ralph, really Raphael, his family came from Ecuador, and he never learned Spanish until he was in his 50's. The other, Luthor, came from Barbados, and spoke with a British accent, he was darker than the ace of spades. He traced his family back to the Ivory Coast of Africa, when he was in his 60's, learning they were never slaves, but proud and wealthy merchants of Africa for more than a thousand years. When we were kids together, getting in trouble, the Irish police we encountered got very confused about what labels to curse us with. Only death has ended our friendships. I am the only of the three still alive, and that leaves a huge void in my life, tho I am still close with their families.

Today, I look at my own extensive family, and the cultural influences are vastly different. My sons and daughters chose their mates from diverse sources, and my grandchildren come in all colors, multiple heritages, and that is the future, regardless of what people claim they want. My grandkids barely give a second thought to their differences, and are much more concerned with what they can accomplish together in their futures. There will always be cultural differences, take pride in them and celebrate them, but keep in mind, the true equalizers in our world are wealth and poverty, not language or cultures.
 
Rickeroo said:
What's the message here? We need to do a better job of precisely classifying these brown people. "Mixtec-speaking" is a new one! Keep tuned to CNN for the latest in classifying and segregating Americans.
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Rickeroo, Maybe we need to do a better job of classifying Caucasian people who need to define people of color more precisely.
I have found that people who I have met who expressed their negative prejudice toward other ethnic or racial groups most often
have had little to no personal experience knowing individuals of the group they may slur. They make ignorant assumptions based on sterotypes.

Example: An an advertising agency colleague who I had worked closely with for 5 years said something nasty about Puerto Ricans.
When I pointed out that my mother was born in Puerto Rico my friend was embarrassed. She didn't mean ALL Puerto Ricans.
Rather than become angry over her statement I pointed out that she being Jewish might lead me to expect that she would be more sensitive about prejudice.

Being Hispanic in America is easier in 2020. We are the fastest growing minority in this country. We are doctors, engineers, playwrights and marketing directors.
Today, Lin-Manuel Miranda is Broadway's biggest star, but when as a child my father came to the US from Costa Rica, Dad faced plenty of significant hurtful prejudice in New York
during the Great Depression. The fact that he couldn't lose his accent was the reason he did not want his children to speak Spanish. My surname looks to be Italian so most people
make that assumption. I have found it important to point out my heritage as a simple way of educating people who may never have met a person of Costa Rican or Puerto Rican heritage
who is a college graduate, a writer, a professional, a family man, a Christian, and a good neighbor.

We are all around, in the tens of millions. We work hard, pay our taxes, help our communities, and enrich this nation. But stupid, ignorant prejudice persists.
We don't need more precise classifying. We simply need to be respected for who we are. Just like you.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Well before my time as a child, and I am 71, the word Spic was an insult reserved for Italian immigrant laborers. Somehow it later became an insult for Mexican Americans and Puerto Ricans. Forget the diversity within both groups, peoples from other parts of Central and South America, the Caribbean barely entered the national consciousness beyond Hollywood misrepresentations of Tango and Limbo Dancers, early Harry Belafonte singing Caribbean tunes. Then in the 1970's liberals started using the word Hispanic, to label Spanish speaking peoples, as if it were more respectful. But in my eyes, respect requires no label. About the same time, I started hearing young Spanish speaking women referring to themselves as Latinas, which had a bit of a poetic license and ring to it. And it came from them, not outsiders. That started being picked up in various Spanish and Portuguese speaking communities along with the Latinos. Both grew all inclusive, and both retain that poetic ring, and I believe signify a multicultural encompassing self respect.

Now, I do understand self respect in cultural definition, and I understand segregation isn't always imposed. People of the same culture are comfortable with other people of that same or similar culture. Not a negative, just part of the reality. I also remember when Newrican was in vogue, Puerto Rican youth who as adults spoke a mix of English and Spanish that was neither one or the other, and almost indecipherable to others, regardless of whether they were English speaking or Spanish speaking. What linguists sometimes call a pigeon language, meaning a mix of languages forming itself temporarily into something new and more permanent.

I can understand the political necessities for segregating by labels, economic classes, because the needs differ. And for that set of classifications, culture is secondary. Now I do take affront of your labeling Spanish speaking people as brown. Some are, some aren't. I'm Eurasian, neither white nor Asian. I look like neither, and I look like both. I do not speak any of the languages of my ancestry, recalling a few words and phrases from childhood. But rarely using them, yet still taking pride in that ancestry. I was fortunate, growing up among diverse communities, where we all ran into prejudices from our parents and dismissed them because we were busy doing and a friend was a friend because we shared experiences. Of my two closest friends from childhood to today, one Ralph, really Raphael, his family came from Ecuador, and he never learned Spanish until he was in his 50's. The other, Luthor, came from Barbados, and spoke with a British accent, he was darker than the ace of spades. He traced his family back to the Ivory Coast of Africa, when he was in his 60's, learning they were never slaves, but proud and wealthy merchants of Africa for more than a thousand years. When we were kids together, getting in trouble, the Irish police we encountered got very confused about what labels to curse us with. Only death has ended our friendships. I am the only of the three still alive, and that leaves a huge void in my life, tho I am still close with their families.

Today, I look at my own extensive family, and the cultural influences are vastly different. My sons and daughters chose their mates from diverse sources, and my grandchildren come in all colors, multiple heritages, and that is the future, regardless of what people claim they want. My grandkids barely give a second thought to their differences, and are much more concerned with what they can accomplish together in their futures. There will always be cultural differences, take pride in them and celebrate them, but keep in mind, the true equalizers in our world are wealth and poverty, not language or cultures.
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Well said!
 
dcaraz said:
Rickeroo, Maybe we need to do a better job of classifying Caucasian people who need to define people of color more precisely.
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I wholeheartedly agree. If CNN wants to define Hispanics, more precisely, as:

... an African-identified Garifuna from Honduras living in Florida, a third-generation light-skinned Puerto Rican living in New York, or a Mixtec-speaking Mexican immigrant living in California

then we should turn that same racially cognizant lens on Caucasians. I'm of Irish descent, wife is Italian. What I call a dishrag she calls a moppine. What I call a pot for boiling water, she calls a pan. She understands Italian while I don't. Surely these "cultural" differences are worth having CNN declare us as being very different people, with different goals and aspirations based on our different cultural backgrounds.

What would be the benefits of dividing, by racial/ethnic/cultural means, Irish Americans from Italian Americans?

Perhaps those same benefits could be rendered by dividing the Hispanics from the Caucasians?
 
Rickeroo said:
Now that we know US deaths from Covid will top out at about 0.046% of the population, CNN is back to form with the important news of the day:

View attachment 67281047

Of course there's the standard N word nonsense. Though that word gains national attention, so far the use or non-use of it hasn't had much of an effect:

Baltimore City Homicides

Want to know CNN's wisdom about certain brown Americans and Covid?

Understanding why Latinos are so hard hit by Covid-19 - CNN

The varied impact of the disease on Latinos gives us an opportunity to talk about the unwieldiness of the label itself, which was born out of a need for greater visibility and political power for those of Latin American descent in the US. Since the 1960s and 1970s, terms like "Hispanic" and "Latino" have been used almost interchangeably though the former is often seen as reflecting conservative politics and the latter liberal, while "Latinx," a futurist label aims to be inclusive of non-binary LGBTQ folks is slowly growing in popularity. Latinos come from 21 different countries (including Puerto Rico, an unincorporated territory of the US since 1898), descend from several different "races," and do not have a uniform social class status. A "Latino" might be an African-identified Garifuna from Honduras living in Florida, a third-generation light-skinned Puerto Rican living in New York, or a Mixtec-speaking Mexican immigrant living in California -- and that's not even scratching the surface of our diversity.

What's the message here? We need to do a better job of precisely classifying these brown people. "Mixtec-speaking" is a new one! Keep tuned to CNN for the latest in classifying and segregating Americans.
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Modern leftism is a cancer on society. So what’s happening is Latinos get more Republican the more generations they are in America and now they need to apply the power struggle class division within the Hispanic community like they used to do with the whites. My girlfriend’s parents were Mexican immigrants and she was born in LA, when she went to college and joined a pro-life group she was subjected to such hatred from liberals for believing murdering babies was wrong (by the way Hispanic women are the most pro-life demographic in America) she went from casting her first vote for Obama to becoming a hardline republican. Groups of Hispanics are doing this and instead of moderating now the extreme left needs to start splitting and creating division, because that’s all they know how to do.

That’s all this is. In 20 years the average Hispanic will be light skinned, at least 3rd generation, probably intermarried with an Anglo-white family, they will have a Spanish last name and be thoroughly integrated, so the hard left will be telling newer immigrants that older Hispanics are part of the white power structure keeping them down
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
Modern leftism is a cancer on society. So what’s happening is Latinos get more Republican the more generations they are in America and now they need to apply the power struggle class division within the Hispanic community like they used to do with the whites. My girlfriend’s parents were Mexican immigrants and she was born in LA, when she went to college and joined a pro-life group she was subjected to such hatred from liberals for believing murdering babies was wrong (by the way Hispanic women are the most pro-life demographic in America) she went from casting her first vote for Obama to becoming a hardline republican. Groups of Hispanics are doing this and instead of moderating now the extreme left needs to start splitting and creating division, because that’s all they know how to do.

That’s all this is. In 20 years the average Hispanic will be light skinned, at least 3rd generation, probably intermarried with an Anglo-white family, they will have a Spanish last name and be thoroughly integrated, so the hard left will be telling newer immigrants that older Hispanics are part of the white power structure keeping them down
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What a stupid thing to say. This type of moronic post could only be written by a deplorable. Hispanics aren’t going anywhere near the Republican Party because of how racist it is towards them. Your leader literally denigrated Hispanics as rapists and murderers while you guys cheered him on. And the type of people who vote Republican tend to write stupid things about skin tone and last names. Can’t seem them wanting to stand under that big umbrella anytime soon.

You’re probably correct that some Hispanic women oppose abortion. However unlike the authoritarian right, they most likely think such a decision is a personal matter and they don’t need government to tell them what to do.
 
Decypher said:
What a stupid thing to say. This type of moronic post could only be written by a deplorable. Hispanics aren’t going anywhere near the Republican Party because of how racist it is towards them. Your leader literally denigrated Hispanics as rapists and murderers while you guys cheered him on. And the type of people who vote Republican tend to write stupid things about skin tone and last names. Can’t seem them wanting to stand under that big umbrella anytime soon.

You’re probably correct that some Hispanic women oppose abortion. However unlike the authoritarian right, they most likely think such a decision is a personal matter and they don’t need government to tell them what to do.
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I can tell you that nearly every pro life event that I’ve been to, Hispanics are very overrepresented.
Abortion is either illegal or it is very heavily restricted in pretty much every country in Latin America. So your idea that in general Hispanics do not believe abortion should be restricted by government force, well just look at all the countries that they come from and what their laws on abortion are.
 
Only weaklings are offended by racist words.
 
dex4974 said:
Only weaklings are offended by racist words.
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Are you gearing up to offend some "weaklings" with racist words you will bravely post?

:roll:


Such a juvenile post...
 
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