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Should we as conservatives feel sorry for dem voters?

lurchadams said:
Major Bone Spurs Goes to Washington.
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He did what was expected of members of his class in that time....They the smart ones knew that Nam was a mistake....not worth dying for.....a problem that their class allowed them to fix.....you really should lay off.

But you will not even consider it..

RIGHT?
 
Moonglow said:
A nod is as good as a wink to a blind bat ..
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Oh goody....more riddles rather than plain speaking.....most likely because people generally suck now...

WE USED TO BE BETTER
 
bradt99 said:
The DNC establishment is trying to deny Bernie the nomination again by cramming Bloomberg through. Isn't this like what the RNC tried to do to Trump in 2016? I don't feel sorry for them though, let them destroy each other.
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Last time I felt sorry for a Democrat was November 22, 1963.
 
Moonglow said:
The perception you use to facilitate your illogical conclusion expose the fallacy of intent.
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"Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah":

As Mel Gibson said in "A man without a Face"...Learn....Or Leave.

I am not getting any younger...plus THIS BUG OUT OF CHINA might very well get me...my screwing around days are over.
 
bradt99 said:
Yea and I think Oswald was the escape goat.
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What is an "escape" goat?

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Did you mean 'scape goat'?


I don't believe in that conspiracy. Oswald was a fairly decent shot was all.
 
Perotista said:
Biden is a dead duck when it comes to the Democratic nomination, even if he is the one doing the best against Trump. Biden tanking makes me wonder. Perhaps the democrats were supporting him for the nomination 3 weeks or more ago, pre-primaries simply because he was the one who looked like he could beat Trump. Now that the primaries have started, Democrats are now voting for who they want, not who may have had the best chance of defeating Trump. Just an idea.
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Wouldn't this mean on some level that they have already conceded defeat and so, I hope, are going to vote their consciences however McGovernish the outcome?
 
nota bene said:
Wouldn't this mean on some level that they have already conceded defeat and so, I hope, are going to vote their consciences however McGovernish the outcome?
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Not sure how you came to that conclusion, are you claiming none of the other Dem candidates could beat trump in the election?
 
Casper said:
Not sure how you came to that conclusion, are you claiming none of the other Dem candidates could beat trump in the election?
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I'm sorry you didn't understand my post, but you didn't.
 
nota bene said:
I'm sorry you didn't understand my post, but you didn't.
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Oh I believe I understood it very well, you assume they would lose as McGoven did. If that is not what you implied then maybe you can elaborate, or not.
 
lurchadams said:
Well, yeah.. but I was responding to the OP's conspiracy theory. I was telling him that if that really happened, and Biden did get the nomination, he'd (based on the current polls) destroy trump.

You don't agree?
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If the election was held today, Biden would win. Probably somewhere around a 5 point win nationally. He'd take Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan which means a fairly close race popular vote wise would look like a trouncing in the electoral college. Biden in my opinion, today, would have a good shot at also winning Georgia and North Carolina. I keep using the word today. Elections are dynamic and change all the time. A week or a month from now, things could look different and most likely would.

This constant change is why I do my election forecasts for 2020 monthly. They apply to the date on the forecast and do not necessarily mean that will be the results come November.
 
nota bene said:
Wouldn't this mean on some level that they have already conceded defeat and so, I hope, are going to vote their consciences however McGovernish the outcome?
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Possible. Last night in the debate, I think the Democrats came close to making the same mistake the Republicans did in NH. That is attacking the second place candidate instead of the first place candidate. Christie did this to Rubio, thus guaranteeing Trump the nomination. No one attacked Trump in that debate. Last night came close to that. If one is serious and wants to win the nomination, one doesn't attack number two, it's number one that you have to make drop some. Bring the leader back down to your level or you're not going to win. Attacking number two just gives number one a larger lead over the pack. Whether like the GOP in NH, this gives Sanders the inside track remains to be seen. But I think it solidified his position as number one and later as the Republicans learned, there was no unseating number one.

I'm not sure the history of the GOP 2016 NH debate applies here, but it might. I do think Sanders gives Trump his best shot at reelection. But more on that later, probably in my forecasts when and if Sanders looks like he will be the nominee.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
There is this absurd notion that Bernie was screwed out of the nomination in 2016, as though he did not lose by millions of votes in the primaries.
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That is not what mattered in 2016. The Delegate count is what mattered (as it will this year). In 2016 there were super-delegates that were almost entirely in the bag for HRC, doing the work of the establishment DNC.

There are super-delegates this year as well, but they are not in play at the convention until the second round of voting, if such a thing is needed.

Pledged delegates are those earned via voting processes, unpledged are the DNC party affiliates. 2382 total delegates were needed to win.

HRC pledged delegate count - 2271
Sanders pledged - 1820

Total unpledged available - 616

So if the unpledged delegates were not put in place, then there would have been a brokered convention, and the pledged delegates would have had to sort it out. Bernie had a shot, and it was taken away by the 571 unpledged delegates that put HRC into the election.

Hillary secured roughly 56% of the delegates based on voting, Sanders 44%. Yet Clinton got a whopping 93% of the super delegates to secure the nomination. So yes, it does give the appearance of a rigged contest by the DNC.

Source for the numbers - Results of the 2016 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

At the end of the day HRC followed the rules and won the contest, but it sure looked like the DNC wanted HRC, not Sanders.
 
Nuber said:
That is not what mattered in 2016. The Delegate count is what mattered (as it will this year). In 2016 there were super-delegates that were almost entirely in the bag for HRC, doing the work of the establishment DNC.

There are super-delegates this year as well, but they are not in play at the convention until the second round of voting, if such a thing is needed.

Pledged delegates are those earned via voting processes, unpledged are the DNC party affiliates. 2382 total delegates were needed to win.

HRC pledged delegate count - 2271
Sanders pledged - 1820

Total unpledged available - 616

So if the unpledged delegates were not put in place, then there would have been a brokered convention, and the pledged delegates would have had to sort it out. Bernie had a shot, and it was taken away by the 571 unpledged delegates that put HRC into the election.

Hillary secured roughly 56% of the delegates based on voting, Sanders 44%. Yet Clinton got a whopping 93% of the super delegates to secure the nomination. So yes, it does give the appearance of a rigged contest by the DNC.

Source for the numbers - Results of the 2016 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

At the end of the day HRC followed the rules and won the contest, but it sure looked like the DNC wanted HRC, not Sanders.
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I have seen the numbers. Hillary won by a much bigger margin than Obama had against her in 2008.
 
bradt99 said:
The DNC establishment is trying to deny Bernie the nomination again by cramming Bloomberg through. Isn't this like what the RNC tried to do to Trump in 2016? I don't feel sorry for them though, let them destroy each other.
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Should we? Probably. I do not.

Shadenfreud is an better description.

I wonder what Al Franken was thinking as he watched the debate last night. Had Chuck not thrown Al under the bus I bet he'd be way out in front at this point.

The current field might as well just draw straws to see who will lose to Trump.

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SouthernDemocrat said:
I have seen the numbers. Hillary won by a much bigger margin than Obama had against her in 2008.
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Didn't check that but I will take you at your word.

You do see how the numbers can lead one to the conclusion that the contest was rigged in the end? That is was the DNC affiliates who put HRC over the top, not voters and their representative delegates?

Keep in mind that I am an outsider to this process, I am just looking at the number and reaching what I think is a rational conclusion.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Conservatives might considering pondering how it came to be that they for so many years elected lying cucks of the Left who had no interest in getting any work done for the nation as the Rot of the Nation progressed day by day.

Fix Yourself First is a great idea.
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Freaks for Trump!

What's your fix? Is the internet political guru thing part of the fun, or just the stronger addiction? Shake that graphic outta my head right now. Ewww
 
bradt99 said:
The DNC establishment is trying to deny Bernie the nomination again by cramming Bloomberg through. Isn't this like what the RNC tried to do to Trump in 2016? I don't feel sorry for them though, let them destroy each other.
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I don't remember anyone cramming anyone through instead of Trump. He beat the 15 other contenders fair and square.
 
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