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John Kelly Calls Out Fox

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Quote for the ages:

“That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides,” he continued. “So if you only watch Fox News because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-who-rely-fox-news-are-not-informed-citizens/

But, this is the one which really matters:

“The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people,” Kelly said. “We need a free media."
 
Quote for the ages:



But, this is the one which really matters:

Is Fox News not part of the free media? Does Kelly actually believe that MSNBC is better or did he do what he accused Fox News of doing?
 
Quote for the ages:



But, this is the one which really matters:

So if you only watch MSNBC or CNN you are a brilliantly informed citizen? What a **** of S***!

The media has shown it's self to be a very partisan/biased active participant to remove the president from office.
And we all know that!
 
So if you only watch MSNBC or CNN you are a brilliantly informed citizen? What a **** of S***!

The media has shown it's self to be a very partisan/biased active participant to remove the president from office.
And we all know that!

Itself

Thanks for proving John’s point.
 
Is Fox News not part of the free media? Does Kelly actually believe that MSNBC is better or did he do what he accused Fox News of doing?


Yes, MSNBC is better than Fox. The collective IQ of those watching Fox is probably 1/4 that of a single Maddow viewer.
 
So if you only watch MSNBC or CNN you are a brilliantly informed citizen? What a **** of S***!

The media has shown it's self to be a very partisan/biased active participant to remove the president from office.
And we all know that!
That’s not what General Kelly said. Why make things up?

Fox News is “the media” and they are not trying to remove Trump. In fact, Fox is very biased toward Trump. So much so that the Press Secretary of the POTUS doesn’t have news briefs any more, she just goes on Fox News. The President himself calls them regularly to voice his opinions on Fox and no one else. Why do you think that is?
 
Is Fox News not part of the free media? Does Kelly actually believe that MSNBC is better or did he do what he accused Fox News of doing?
Yes, Fox is part of the media, the infamous MSM. He didn’t say any was better.

All he was saying was to not to rely upon single source information if you want to stay informed.

The article spells it out. Example:

“That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides,” he continued. “So if you only watch Fox News because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

Trump, of course, watches Fox News almost exclusively and for precisely the reason Kelly suggests: It reinforces what he believes. There are some exceptions; Trump has been irritated when Fox occasionally interviews Democratic lawmakers or candidates. But generally speaking, Trump consumes and promotes Fox News programming.
 
So if you only watch MSNBC or CNN you are a brilliantly informed citizen? What a **** of S***!

The media has shown it's self to be a very partisan/biased active participant to remove the president from office.
And we all know that!

He didn’t say that.

But Fox’s reputation for sloppy and irresponsible journalism and it’s open political bias, it’s tendancy to market to their viewer’s prejudices rather than inform them, is not a matter of much debate. Roger Ailes actually said that he intended Fox to be right wing talk radio with pictures. And that’s what it is, and always has been.

And, as with the Bush Administration, Fox functions as a full blown Ministry of Propoganda for the Trump Administration.

Before you attack MSNBC for doing the same thing, know that MSNBC only adopted the Fox business model for liberal about ten years after Fox premiered.

Kelly is right.

Since cable TV has largely split into left and right, in the same manner as big city daily newspapers once did,it’s important to hear as much as possible, even the stuff that doesn’t make one comfortable.

When I was growing up, we got both the daily’s. The morning paper was the liberal one, and the afternoon paper was Hearst.
 
**** Kelly! This is one time when “better late than never” just doesn’t get it done. It’s my understanding that these remarks come in paid speeches.

John Kelly deserves contempt, not praise - The Boston Globe

I disagree with the Boston Globe writer. No one knows what General Kelly did behind closed does. I’m inclined to believe he constantly informed the President on the difference between right and wrong. What PABOTUS did after that is on Trump, not Kelly.

As SoS, it wasn’t his duty to leak information to the press or go on speaking tours bitching about how f***ed up Trump was as President.

In another thread, I wrote at length about the dilemma when Bush went General shopping to start a war with, invaded and occupy Iraq. A general could resign and refuse to do it or stay to protect their troops and try to protect them from the idiots in the WH. Kellly faced a similar problem; refuse to become SoS or accept and do his best to protect Americans from an idiot.
 
Is Fox News not part of the free media? Does Kelly actually believe that MSNBC is better or did he do what he accused Fox News of doing?

Is it?

Trumpsters are constantly talking about Fox as if it were separate from the hated (on Fox and talk radio’s constant instruction) “MSM”.

Indeed, the term MSM is right wing signaling.
 
I disagree with the Boston Globe writer. No one knows what General Kelly did behind closed does. I’m inclined to believe he constantly informed the President on the difference between right and wrong. What PABOTUS did after that is on Trump, not Kelly.

As SoS, it wasn’t his duty to leak information to the press or go on speaking tours bitching about how f***ed up Trump was as President.

In another thread, I wrote at length about the dilemma when Bush went General shopping to start a war with, invaded and occupy Iraq. A general could resign and refuse to do it or stay to protect their troops and try to protect them from the idiots in the WH. Kellly faced a similar problem; refuse to become SoS or accept and do his best to protect Americans from an idiot.


Precisely correct!

I can remember when they had the hearings over Abu Grhiab, and the uniformed officers had Rumsfeld’s enforcer., Steven Cambone, sitting next to them, constantly interrupting the testimony to say things like “What the general meant to say was....“
 
Is it?

Trumpsters are constantly talking about Fox as if it were separate from the hated (on Fox and talk radio’s constant instruction) “MSM”.

Indeed, the term MSM is right wing signaling.

The Kelly complaint mentioned in the OP was that (only?) Fox News served up a generous dose of confirmation bias, implying (by simple omission) that the rest of the MSM did not do so. It should be obvious to all that most media bias is accomplished by simple omission - presenting part (one side?) or none of a news event (story or issue) makes that very easy to do.

I fully agree that Fox News is biased, but there are few (if any) news sources which are not serving up generous helpings of confirmation bias based largely on what they do not choose to present, cover or discuss. As the NYT puts it "All the news that's fit to print" - that certainly places an emphasis on their ability (mission?) to decide what in their editorial opinion is fit to present.
 
He knows how corrupt and messed up our mafia president is better than anyone. He's trying to give us a heads up.

Will every evangelical who wants to keep Christian Mexicans out of the country listen? Of course not.
 
Fox is part of the media, which is why the electorate has to be educated that Murdoch outlets are alt facts machines.
 
The Kelly complaint mentioned in the OP was that (only?) Fox News served up a generous dose of confirmation bias, implying (by simple omission) that the rest of the MSM did not do so. It should be obvious to all that most media bias is accomplished by simple omission - presenting part (one side?) or none of a news event (story or issue) makes that very easy to do.

I fully agree that Fox News is biased, but there are few (if any) news sources which are not serving up generous helpings of confirmation bias based largely on what they do not choose to present, cover or discuss. As the NYT puts it "All the news that's fit to print" - that certainly places an emphasis on their ability (mission?) to decide what in their editorial opinion is fit to present.

Consumers of only conservative media have a recent history distinct from.that of the rest of the world.

A huge part of their hatred for anybody outside of that bubble comes from the simple fact that in their world, horrible horrible things have happened.

That just did not happen. They have adopted the conservative spin on events as the facts of those events.

Which is contrary to consensus reality.

Does all of the media do this stuff? Yeah.

But it isn't coordinated like it is in conservative media. All of the new spin arrives across the conservative media at the same time, using the same verbiage and imagery. Which lends credibility to the spin, but is actually just a technique to lend credibility to spin by sending the same messaging through apparently independent sources that in reality are coordinated.
 
Consumers of only conservative media have a recent history distinct from.that of the rest of the world.

A huge part of their hatred for anybody outside of that bubble comes from the simple fact that in their world, horrible horrible things have happened.

That just did not happen. They have adopted the conservative spin on events as the facts of those events.

Which is contrary to consensus reality.

Does all of the media do this stuff? Yeah.

But it isn't coordinated like it is in conservative media. All of the new spin arrives across the conservative media at the same time, using the same verbiage and imagery. Which lends credibility to the spin, but is actually just a technique to lend credibility to spin by sending the same messaging through apparently independent sources that in reality are coordinated.

I fully agree that electing to feast on a steady diet of confirmation bias is bad news, but I do not agree that this is not also true among the MSM which had assured the public for years that Trump (and his campaign staff) had criminally colluded with Putin (and his government officials) to do harm to the Hillary campaign based on nothing provable (verifiable?) at all. Mueller stated that was simply not so long after he knew that to be the case, yet continued to allow his staff to keep on "investigating" in order to try to generate obstruction and/or perjury charges which he knew could not be brought by the DOJ on Trump.
 
I fully agree that electing to feast on a steady diet of confirmation bias is bad news, but I do not agree that this is not also true among the MSM which had assured the public for years that Trump (and his campaign staff) had criminally colluded with Putin (and his government officials) to do harm to the Hillary campaign based on nothing provable (verifiable?) at all. Mueller stated that was simply not so long after he knew that to be the case, yet continued to allow his staff to keep on "investigating" in order to try to generate obstruction and/or perjury charges which he knew could not be brought by the DOJ on Trump.

lol....Trump is guilty as sin. And, if he faced a real trial by jury would have been convicted hands down.
 
Consumers of only conservative media have a recent history distinct from.that of the rest of the world.

A huge part of their hatred for anybody outside of that bubble comes from the simple fact that in their world, horrible horrible things have happened.

That just did not happen. They have adopted the conservative spin on events as the facts of those events.

Which is contrary to consensus reality.

Does all of the media do this stuff? Yeah.

But it isn't coordinated like it is in conservative media. All of the new spin arrives across the conservative media at the same time, using the same verbiage and imagery. Which lends credibility to the spin, but is actually just a technique to lend credibility to spin by sending the same messaging through apparently independent sources that in reality are coordinated.

I give conservative media a ton of credit for being great at their jobs. They create so many satans that the base must defeat at all costs. They have made it a religious fight.

It's a damn shame that what they have republicans fighting for in many cases is as far from religion as you can get.
 
lol....Trump is guilty as sin. And, if he faced a real trial by jury would have been convicted hands down.

Hmm... is that why Schiff withheld his (promised?) "proof" of Trump/Russian collusion?
 
So if you only watch MSNBC or CNN you are a brilliantly informed citizen? What a **** of S***!

The media has shown it's self to be a very partisan/biased active participant to remove the president from office.
And we all know that!

There is a study that shows that those who watch Fox News know less about things than those who watch no news at all.
 
lol....Trump is guilty as sin. And, if he faced a real trial by jury would have been convicted hands down.

His money and him being a politician is protecting him.

If any other Republican making $60-70 grand a year on this board did the same things Donald Trump has done in his life they would be locked up. That's funny as hell.
 
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