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    Re: 101 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List by Sharyl Attkisson

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    The word "mistake" implies that it was unintentional. I consider the mainstream media to be deliberately and intentionally misinforming the public, for decades, and there is no mistake.
    You may consider such, but I bet you have no bases for that belief other than impression (its in your head).

    perhaps spend a little time on this site to find a media source committed to high factual integrity and minimal bias: Media Bias/Fact Check - Search and Learn the Bias of News Media

    Least Biased - Media Bias/Fact Check

    I find that many people that feel as you do on this subject actually run from a pretty good news source with slight bias, the one on the other extreme that has very little factual integrity and high bias. That does no one any good.

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    Re: 101 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List by Sharyl Attkisson

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So the media error rate on reporting on Trump is below .01 %. That is pretty good!
    No it isn't and no it isn't.

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    Re: 101 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List by Sharyl Attkisson

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Read the list in the OP. It's what you asked for.

    And as for your "... respected ones that many of [us] consider to be the paper of record, such as WaPo... " claim, if they're dishonest enough to print/post false information in their news articles, why would you trust their team of fact-checkers when it's very easy to manipulate such things, as you should have noticed by now if your had been paying attention.
    The running list is nothing more than pointing out minor errors secondary to the central claims that news outlets make all the time and make corrections for. Itís a feature of news that has been ongoing for time immemorial. Minor errors and erroneous central claims (especially all-out fake news) are vastly different things, as itís the latter that the right wing is alleging.

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    Re: 101 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List by Sharyl Attkisson

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No idea whom that is or why you're promoting her. No idea even what the topic is. And no, I didn't click because I can't.

    The title could mean any number of things. Which makes it a bit of a mystery, and thus I eagerly await any explanation.
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    Re: 101 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List by Sharyl Attkisson

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Wow, you are really missing the point. Maybe I can make it clearer to you. I was taking issue with a list of 101 media misstatements and mistakes over 3 years. This journalist and the OP thought this list proved the unreliability of the press. I think its a paltry list that because its so small, including both trivial items (per my previous post) and most of which (she acknowledges) were corrected, actually affirms the reliability of the press.

    In STARK, STARK contrast, while the OP, the particular journalist and apparently you think 101 media misstatements proves the media is not reliable, that is a hard swallow given you support a POTUS that has made over 13,400 lies, misrepresentations or omissions of truth since he took office. Sorry, but when you support a man like that, you lose the credibility to complain about 101 media misstatements. The ratio of Trump lies to media mistakes are 134 to 1. (also, duly noted, Trump never corrects his misstatements, while most of those on Attkinsson's list were corrected in print).

    So here you are arguing one or two Trump misstatements (out of 13,400) while trying to tell us there many, many more that should be one Attkinson's list (not thinking through this woman is a professional who thinks here list means something, so its not likely its off by thousands)

    So, here you are arguing a single lie here and a single lie there of Trump (out of 13,400), while telling us the media errors are much greater without ANY evidence thereof. Consider the fact that Attkinson is a professional who studies this issue, yet only has a list of 101. You are attempting to make minor points (without any evidence) but ignoring the major point, the order of magnitude in difference (134 to 1). Sorry, your line of reasoning here (and lack of evidence) lies somewhere between non-responsive to the issue (because you are not reconciling the 13,400 lies of Trump and the 101 mistakes of the press) and pathetic.

    I suggest you argue matters where you actually have an argument and steer clear of issues that you lack the game to make a point, as you have here.



    It might help you refute me if you understood or better thought through the evidence you presented. The point of the argument that Goldstein attempts to make is that Washington Post lie count is overstated rather than it being "wrong". Goldstein says that 27% of the lies (including misrepresentations, half truths) have some foundation. From article:

    "....I found 27 out of 100 Trump comments to be defensible, if not unimpeachably accurate...."

    Great! Let's accept that for the sake of this discussion. If 27% are wrong, its pretty safe to assume that 73% are not wrong. So lets apply that theory. 73% of 13,400 is 9,782 (still an absurd number --- your POTUS lies that much?) So, you have provided some credible evidence that my ratio of Trump lies to media misstatements of 133 to 1 should really be 97 to 1. Thank you for that refinement.

    I'll accept your premise, but I don't think you have detracted one iota from point.

    That all said, thank you for bringing that article to my attention. I always like someone that actually backs up their point and gives me something to think about.
    I'm not talking about just 101 mistakes. I'm talking about all of them, and calling them mistakes is being soft. In many cases they're just outright lying about the man, just to keep pushing the same narrative, and it's getting old.

    I'd like to say that Obama had it this rough from the republicans, but that would be a lie.
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    Re: 101 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List by Sharyl Attkisson

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    I'm not talking about just 101 mistakes. I'm talking about all of them, and calling them mistakes is being soft. In many cases they're just outright lying about the man, just to keep pushing the same narrative, and it's getting old.

    I'd like to say that Obama had it this rough from the republicans, but that would be a lie.
    Sorry pal, it is you that pushes a narrative that lacks any substantive basis. You keep making these wild claims, but have offered NOTHING back up your statements.

    What is getting is arguing with people that seem to have no foundation for the "truths" that bounce around in their heads. If you actually have something to say, say it and support it.

    You do know in a debate, if you can't back up you point, we get to assume its not true. So, unless you have proof of the point you are tying to make, you're done here.
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    Re: 101 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List by Sharyl Attkisson

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Sorry pal, it is you that pushes a narrative that lacks any substantive basis. You keep making these wild claims, but have offered NOTHING back up your statements.

    What is getting is arguing with people that seem to have no foundation for the "truths" that bounce around in their heads. If you actually have something to say, say it and support it.

    You do know in a debate, if you can't back up you point, we get to assume its not true. So, unless you have proof of the point you are tying to make, you're done here.
    That's rather funny coming from you, but it's good to see that lack of introspection is still a very present issue with the left. Which is why there was never a chance of someone like you even realizing the problems that this list represented.

    If you want to stomp your feet and just ignore what was revealed, then so be it. Though I do reserve the right to use this: [B]So, unless you have proof of the point you are tying to make, you're done here. /B] because that's the same exact issue I've had with getting proof from your side for almost four years now.

    So it will be funny to see how you like that qualifier.
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    Re: 101 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List by Sharyl Attkisson

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You may consider such, but I bet you have no bases for that belief other than impression (its in your head).
    It isn't my head who is continuously spewing intentional lies or faking video footage and calling it "news." It isn't my head who deliberately lied and caused millions of dollars in damage among the car manufactures. It isn't my head who was telling the nation on election day that the polls were closed when in fact they were still open. That was mainstream media, or more specifically the extreme leftist ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN.

    The only reason you defend the criminal behavior of the media is because they are spewing your propaganda. When the media does millions of dollars in damage as a direct result of their deliberate lies they need to be held accountable.

    The mainstream media is beyond any doubt the enemy of the people, and it has been that way for decades. The deliberate election fraud and the repeated lies that cost millions was the reason Fox News was created in 1996. So even then the anti-American leftist mainstream media was the enemy of the people. And they always will be.

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    Re: 101 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List by Sharyl Attkisson

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Was the OP fixed? I'll go look. Last I checked, the OP was basically:

    "Media... Fgzkb,jrjkvrsbk... Bad.. Cfbhdccsbj/ffhdjd.vbdmb"


    Edit: Checked. Still that.
    If you never heard of Sharyl Attkisson maybe it's possible you're not familiar with how to use a computer.
    Could that be it?

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    Re: 101 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List by Sharyl Attkisson

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    If you never heard of Sharyl Attkisson maybe it's possible you're not familiar with how to use a computer.
    Could that be it?
    I'm also unfamiliar with the dregs of Msnbc.

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