Tucker Carlson: Democrats have lost the Trump impeachment war. Even Adam Schiff knows it

Tucker Carlson: Democrats have lost the Trump impeachment war. Even Adam Schiff knows it | Fox News

No surprises here from the Slightly Less Stable Genius. I did want to share Carlson's opinion for a few reasons though.

His analysis focuses on 2 claims: The media strong-armed the Democrats into the impeachment process. Impeachment has failed and as a result, so have the Democrats.

The corrupt media bias shtick is so tired. For someone like Tucker Carlson to complain about Jeff Zucker's partisanship is as tragically absurd as I've come to expect from him. The media is biased. Everyone knows that. Anyone who consumes information without identifying and evaluating the bias of the authors shouldn't be sharing their opinions about it in the first place. Carlson is doing one thing and not doing another thing. He's perpetuating the media as left wing propaganda accusation that has become a pillar of Trump Speak. He's not addressing the other factors that finally led Democrats to attempt impeachment. Namely, the Democratic base insisted on impeachment and a majority of Americans supported an inquiry.

As far as the Democrats losing (which is unfortunate language anyway since all of our politics has become a winner-loser proposition), I don't believe that anyone who matters ever thought Trump was going to be removed from office. Now, if the House Democrats don't vote to impeach, they will take a hard blow. But the long game all along was to beat Trump at the ballot box. It's still too early to see how independents and moderates are processing the hearings, but I do agree with Yang's quotes in the article. Impeachment was never a priority for the 40%+ of Americans who live in between the Republicans and the Democrats.

Since a majority of Americans support impeachment and removal, this negative view of impeachment from Carlson is totally whacked.

haymarket said:

Since a majority of Americans support impeachment and removal, this negative view of impeachment from Carlson is totally whacked.

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It is???

Then why is Schiff backpedaling?

Problem is Republican messaging. What Trump did was transparently corrupt and he did do it. Despite the hoarse denials of him and his followers. But, the Republicans are too dishonest and well trained in the art of the smear, so they will clutter up the conversation with their nonsense red herrings and appeals to partisanship.

Yang is right, most Americans don't give a **** about this at all. The ones I talk to are blue collar and they are pretty much fed up with Democrats AND Republicans. You will never convince them that what the Democrats are saying OR, what the Republicans are saying is factual and true. Their sense is more attuned to, who is going to oppose the DC beltway because we can't stand you.

haymarket said:

Since a majority of Americans support impeachment and removal, this negative view of impeachment from Carlson is totally whacked.

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Tucker Carlson is a psychopath who probably wears his victims' skin in bed. However, neither the Democrats nor the Republicans have won the public's opinion yet.

Half of Americans said Trump should be impeached and removed from office, while 43% said he should not, exactly the result CNN got in a poll conducted from Oct. 17-20, before the hearings began.

Trump impeachment hearings didn't move the needle, poll says

Winston said:

Problem is Republican messaging. What Trump did was transparently corrupt and he did do it. Despite the hoarse denials of him and his followers. But, the Republicans are too dishonest and well trained in the art of the smear, so they will clutter up the conversation with their nonsense red herrings and appeals to partisanship.

Yang is right, most Americans don't give a **** about this at all. The ones I talk to are blue collar and they are pretty much fed up with Democrats AND Republicans. You will never convince them that what the Democrats are saying OR, what the Republicans are saying is factual and true. Their sense is more attuned to, who is going to oppose the DC beltway because we can't stand you.

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Democrats are notoriously inept with messaging. If they bomb this whole impeachment thing (the PR aspect of it), they're going to take a whooping.

Nalu said:

Democrats are notoriously inept with messaging. If they bomb this whole impeachment thing (the PR aspect of it), they're going to take a whooping.

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I don't think they are going to fail utterly but, if they don't get John Bolton to come lay absolutely bear in microscopic detail the extent of the matter, they have already peaked and should wrap it up.

Grim17 said:

It is???

Then why is Schiff backpedaling?

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He is not.

Winston said:

I don't think they are going to fail utterly but, if they don't get John Bolton to come lay absolutely bear in microscopic detail the extent of the matter, they have already peaked and should wrap it up.

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Bolton could put a fork in it. I think impeachment is frustrated for 2 main reasons. The Democrats can't effectively explain why the public should support impeachment. They think the evidence speaks for itself. It doesn't. Especially for the casual observer who doesn't have impeachment on her mind for more than a couple minutes each day, Democrats need to explain why the evidence that has been presented is conclusive. Second, we're witnessing more of what Cohen told us. Trump is a wannabe thug, gangster, mob boss. He doesn't implicate himself as obviously as he could and he speaks in an indirect "code". It makes the Democrats' job more difficult but not impossible.

Crazy eyed Shift is a partisan hack period who was ought to get the president since day one.

You know as much as dems hate Trump, I wish they could at least admit he had a good message in the 2016 election wanting to bring manufacturing jobs back and rebuild the American Dream, but they can't even do that.

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You know as much as dems hate Trump, I wish they could at least admit he had a good message in the 2016 election wanting to bring manufacturing jobs back and rebuild the American Dream, but they can't even do that.

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Oh, is that the message you heard? What I heard was a little heavy on the, "I'll investigate, prosecute, and personally execute that bitch Hillary. Only I can save your white babies from the brown rapists and drug dealers who are sitting in your flower garden waiting to murder everyone you love if I lose this election. I have the best words and my brains is so bigly and all the top people want to work for Trump and drain the swamp," side.

Nalu said:

Can't you go pollute a different thread with that kind of "contribution"?

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You're a professor huh? Let me ask you something do you give low grades to your students if they like Trump? because if you do, you should be fired.

Nalu said:

Oh, is that the message you heard? What I heard was a little heavy on the, "I'll investigate, prosecute, and personally execute that bitch Hillary. Only I can save your white babies from the brown rapists and drug dealers who are sitting in your flower garden waiting to murder everyone you love if I lose this election. I have the best words and my brains is so bigly and all the top people want to work for Trump and drain the swamp," side.

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Haven't you been paying attention? The swamp does need to be drained. The swamp should've been drained over 3 decades ago.

Nalu said:

Oh, is that the message you heard? What I heard was a little heavy on the, "I'll investigate, prosecute, and personally execute that bitch Hillary. Only I can save your white babies from the brown rapists and drug dealers who are sitting in your flower garden waiting to murder everyone you love if I lose this election. I have the best words and my brains is so bigly and all the top people want to work for Trump and drain the swamp," side.

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Trump wants to rebuild America, but dems block everything he tries to do. It doesn't seem like they care about America from their actions. Obama didn't do anything for this country for the 8 years he was in office, except divide us. "If Trayvon was my son" that was just one of his brilliant things he said.

bradt99 said:

You're a professor huh? Let me ask you something do you give low grades to your students if they like Trump? because if you do, you should be fired.

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Professor is a thing the site puts on you when you make some number of posts. It's why you're listed as a "Student".

bradt99 said:

Haven't you been paying attention? The swamp does need to be drained. The swamp should've been drained over 3 decades ago.

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Uh huh. Guess 3 years wasn't enough time for Trump to swamp drain. Of course, it can't be an easy job when he hires exclusively from Swamp Recruiters, Inc.

bradt99 said:

Trump wants to rebuild America, but dems block everything he tries to do. It doesn't seem like they care about America from their actions. Obama didn't do anything for this country for the 8 years he was in office, except divide us. "If Trayvon was my son" that was just one of his brilliant things he said.

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No no no. If you're just here to troll about Trump and Obama, you'll have to find someone else to do it to.

Nalu said:

No no no. If you're just here to troll about Trump and Obama, you'll have to find someone else to do it to.

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I'm sorry you think Obama was the greatest thing since sliced bread, it shows how deluded you are.

Democrats have set the precedent, always impeach a republican president and elections don't matter. Well, thanks, because we will start impeaching future dem presidents and we will not work with that president on any legislation at all and block everything. Don't cry either when that happens, because you all set the precedent.

We already know - and so does congress - that there is only a slim chance the senate will convict. Everyone also knows that is only for partisan reasons.

But given the evidence congress is still obliged to act. They have to bring forward articles of impeachment because they've identified high-crimes and misdemeanors and it is their duty to act.

Nalu said:

Tucker Carlson: Democrats have lost the Trump impeachment war. Even Adam Schiff knows it | Fox News

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Was anyone expecting Tucker Carlson to say anything different?
And as for the 40%+ of Americans who live in between the Republicans and the Democrats, impeachment ISN'T a priority, and won't be, until it suddenly is.

Consider this!

All during the Nixon impeachment inquiry phase AND all through the ensuing hearings, public sentiment hovered around 29 percent for "impeachment (House) AND removal" (Senate).
Although arrangements for a final House vote along with a Senate trial were being made at the time, further formal action was rendered unnecessary by his resignation.

And what triggered his resignation? The public's growing awareness of the content of the Nixon Tapes, and the events and circumstances surrounding the Saturday Night Massacre, where Nixon ordered Attorney General Elliot Richardson to fire independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox; Richardson refused and resigned effective immediately. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox; Ruckelshaus refused, and also resigned. Nixon then ordered the third-most-senior official at the Justice Department, Solicitor General Robert Bork, to fire Cox.
Bork did as ordered, with the resulting backlash in the House and Senate.

And suddenly, that stubborn resistance to impeachment AND removal dissolved, and public sentiment in favor of impeachment and removal went to SEVENTY percent, according to some polls. But even in the most conservative polling, aggregate support for keeping Nixon in office finally evaporated in early August, and together with a string of resounding Democrat victories in solid Republican states, Republican senators finally agreed that his tenure was unsustainable.

Only in early August, following the House Judiciary Committee’s recommendation in July that Nixon be impeached and the Supreme Court’s decision that he surrender his audio tapes, did a clear majority – 57% – come to the view that the president should be removed from office.

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And Ford's pardon of Nixon cost him the 1976 election.

Nixon's base held solid all the way through the process until the dam burst, and Donald Trump is nowhere NEAR the support Nixon enjoyed at this stage of the process. In fact, support for Trump's impeachment and removal is remarkably higher than it ever was for Obama, Clinton or Nixon at this stage.
And despite current sagging, it is important to note that it was much the same for Nixon at this point along the way.
But this is not going away, and it's not going to stop either.

Checkerboard Strangler said:

Was anyone expecting Tucker Carlson to say anything different?
And as for the 40%+ of Americans who live in between the Republicans and the Democrats, impeachment ISN'T a priority, and won't be, until it suddenly is.

Consider this!

All during the Nixon impeachment inquiry phase AND all through the ensuing hearings, public sentiment hovered around 29 percent for "impeachment (House) AND removal" (Senate).
Although arrangements for a final House vote along with a Senate trial were being made at the time, further formal action was rendered unnecessary by his resignation.

And what triggered his resignation? The public's growing awareness of the content of the Nixon Tapes, and the events and circumstances surrounding the Saturday Night Massacre, where Nixon ordered Attorney General Elliot Richardson to fire independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox; Richardson refused and resigned effective immediately. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox; Ruckelshaus refused, and also resigned. Nixon then ordered the third-most-senior official at the Justice Department, Solicitor General Robert Bork, to fire Cox.
Bork did as ordered, with the resulting backlash in the House and Senate.

And suddenly, that stubborn resistance to impeachment AND removal dissolved, and public sentiment in favor of impeachment and removal went to SEVENTY percent, according to some polls. But even in the most conservative polling, aggregate support for keeping Nixon in office finally evaporated in early August, and together with a string of resounding Democrat victories in solid Republican states, Republican senators finally agreed that his tenure was unsustainable.

And Ford's pardon of Nixon cost him the 1976 election.

Nixon's base held solid all the way through the process until the dam burst, and Donald Trump is nowhere NEAR the support Nixon enjoyed at this stage of the process. In fact, support for Trump's impeachment and removal is remarkably higher than it ever was for Obama, Clinton or Nixon at this stage.
And despite current sagging, it is important to note that it was much the same for Nixon at this point along the way.
But this is not going away, and it's not going to stop either.

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I don't believe that Nixon Tapes or a Saturday Night Massacre are forthcoming. There are a few people who could settle the issue (for impeachment), but absent that, the Democrats have to use what they have to convince the public. So far, they're not really doing that.

Nalu said:

Tucker Carlson: Democrats have lost the Trump impeachment war. Even Adam Schiff knows it | Fox News

No surprises here from the Slightly Less Stable Genius. I did want to share Carlson's opinion for a few reasons though.

His analysis focuses on 2 claims: The media strong-armed the Democrats into the impeachment process. Impeachment has failed and as a result, so have the Democrats.

The corrupt media bias shtick is so tired. For someone like Tucker Carlson to complain about Jeff Zucker's partisanship is as tragically absurd as I've come to expect from him. The media is biased. Everyone knows that. Anyone who consumes information without identifying and evaluating the bias of the authors shouldn't be sharing their opinions about it in the first place. Carlson is doing one thing and not doing another thing. He's perpetuating the media as left wing propaganda accusation that has become a pillar of Trump Speak. He's not addressing the other factors that finally led Democrats to attempt impeachment. Namely, the Democratic base insisted on impeachment and a majority of Americans supported an inquiry.

As far as the Democrats losing (which is unfortunate language anyway since all of our politics has become a winner-loser proposition), I don't believe that anyone who matters ever thought Trump was going to be removed from office. Now, if the House Democrats don't vote to impeach, they will take a hard blow. But the long game all along was to beat Trump at the ballot box. It's still too early to see how independents and moderates are processing the hearings, but I do agree with Yang's quotes in the article. Impeachment was never a priority for the 40%+ of Americans who live in between the Republicans and the Democrats.

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I don’t know why you guys respect Tucker or anything he says. All he does is spread fake news, and you don’t even care. I mean, really, do you think Michelle Obama is running for President? Do Fox News viewers like being lied to and misled

uptower said:

We already know - and so does congress - that there is only a slim chance the senate will convict. Everyone also knows that is only for partisan reasons.

But given the evidence congress is still obliged to act. They have to bring forward articles of impeachment because they've identified high-crimes and misdemeanors and it is their duty to act.

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I think so too. The Democrats wanted us to believe that they were investigating Trump because they were honor and duty bound to do so. If they change their tune because their political calculations have changed, they'll lose.