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    Re: Tucker Carlson: Democrats have lost the Trump impeachment war. Even Adam Schiff knows it

    We already know - and so does congress - that there is only a slim chance the senate will convict. Everyone also knows that is only for partisan reasons.

    But given the evidence congress is still obliged to act. They have to bring forward articles of impeachment because they've identified high-crimes and misdemeanors and it is their duty to act.
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    Re: Tucker Carlson: Democrats have lost the Trump impeachment war. Even Adam Schiff knows it

    Was anyone expecting Tucker Carlson to say anything different?
    And as for the 40%+ of Americans who live in between the Republicans and the Democrats, impeachment ISN'T a priority, and won't be, until it suddenly is.

    Consider this!

    All during the Nixon impeachment inquiry phase AND all through the ensuing hearings, public sentiment hovered around 29 percent for "impeachment (House) AND removal" (Senate).
    Although arrangements for a final House vote along with a Senate trial were being made at the time, further formal action was rendered unnecessary by his resignation.

    And what triggered his resignation? The public's growing awareness of the content of the Nixon Tapes, and the events and circumstances surrounding the Saturday Night Massacre, where Nixon ordered Attorney General Elliot Richardson to fire independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox; Richardson refused and resigned effective immediately. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox; Ruckelshaus refused, and also resigned. Nixon then ordered the third-most-senior official at the Justice Department, Solicitor General Robert Bork, to fire Cox.
    Bork did as ordered, with the resulting backlash in the House and Senate.

    And suddenly, that stubborn resistance to impeachment AND removal dissolved, and public sentiment in favor of impeachment and removal went to SEVENTY percent, according to some polls. But even in the most conservative polling, aggregate support for keeping Nixon in office finally evaporated in early August, and together with a string of resounding Democrat victories in solid Republican states, Republican senators finally agreed that his tenure was unsustainable.

    Only in early August, following the House Judiciary Committee’s recommendation in July that Nixon be impeached and the Supreme Court’s decision that he surrender his audio tapes, did a clear majority – 57% – come to the view that the president should be removed from office.


    And Ford's pardon of Nixon cost him the 1976 election.

    Nixon's base held solid all the way through the process until the dam burst, and Donald Trump is nowhere NEAR the support Nixon enjoyed at this stage of the process. In fact, support for Trump's impeachment and removal is remarkably higher than it ever was for Obama, Clinton or Nixon at this stage.
    And despite current sagging, it is important to note that it was much the same for Nixon at this point along the way.
    But this is not going away, and it's not going to stop either.
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    Re: Tucker Carlson: Democrats have lost the Trump impeachment war. Even Adam Schiff knows it

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    Was anyone expecting Tucker Carlson to say anything different?
    And as for the 40%+ of Americans who live in between the Republicans and the Democrats, impeachment ISN'T a priority, and won't be, until it suddenly is.

    Consider this!

    All during the Nixon impeachment inquiry phase AND all through the ensuing hearings, public sentiment hovered around 29 percent for "impeachment (House) AND removal" (Senate).
    Although arrangements for a final House vote along with a Senate trial were being made at the time, further formal action was rendered unnecessary by his resignation.

    And what triggered his resignation? The public's growing awareness of the content of the Nixon Tapes, and the events and circumstances surrounding the Saturday Night Massacre, where Nixon ordered Attorney General Elliot Richardson to fire independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox; Richardson refused and resigned effective immediately. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox; Ruckelshaus refused, and also resigned. Nixon then ordered the third-most-senior official at the Justice Department, Solicitor General Robert Bork, to fire Cox.
    Bork did as ordered, with the resulting backlash in the House and Senate.

    And suddenly, that stubborn resistance to impeachment AND removal dissolved, and public sentiment in favor of impeachment and removal went to SEVENTY percent, according to some polls. But even in the most conservative polling, aggregate support for keeping Nixon in office finally evaporated in early August, and together with a string of resounding Democrat victories in solid Republican states, Republican senators finally agreed that his tenure was unsustainable.





    And Ford's pardon of Nixon cost him the 1976 election.

    Nixon's base held solid all the way through the process until the dam burst, and Donald Trump is nowhere NEAR the support Nixon enjoyed at this stage of the process. In fact, support for Trump's impeachment and removal is remarkably higher than it ever was for Obama, Clinton or Nixon at this stage.
    And despite current sagging, it is important to note that it was much the same for Nixon at this point along the way.
    But this is not going away, and it's not going to stop either.
    I don't believe that Nixon Tapes or a Saturday Night Massacre are forthcoming. There are a few people who could settle the issue (for impeachment), but absent that, the Democrats have to use what they have to convince the public. So far, they're not really doing that.

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    Re: Tucker Carlson: Democrats have lost the Trump impeachment war. Even Adam Schiff knows it

    Quote Originally Posted by Nalu View Post
    Tucker Carlson: Democrats have lost the Trump impeachment war. Even Adam Schiff knows it | Fox News

    No surprises here from the Slightly Less Stable Genius. I did want to share Carlson's opinion for a few reasons though.

    His analysis focuses on 2 claims: The media strong-armed the Democrats into the impeachment process. Impeachment has failed and as a result, so have the Democrats.

    The corrupt media bias shtick is so tired. For someone like Tucker Carlson to complain about Jeff Zucker's partisanship is as tragically absurd as I've come to expect from him. The media is biased. Everyone knows that. Anyone who consumes information without identifying and evaluating the bias of the authors shouldn't be sharing their opinions about it in the first place. Carlson is doing one thing and not doing another thing. He's perpetuating the media as left wing propaganda accusation that has become a pillar of Trump Speak. He's not addressing the other factors that finally led Democrats to attempt impeachment. Namely, the Democratic base insisted on impeachment and a majority of Americans supported an inquiry.

    As far as the Democrats losing (which is unfortunate language anyway since all of our politics has become a winner-loser proposition), I don't believe that anyone who matters ever thought Trump was going to be removed from office. Now, if the House Democrats don't vote to impeach, they will take a hard blow. But the long game all along was to beat Trump at the ballot box. It's still too early to see how independents and moderates are processing the hearings, but I do agree with Yang's quotes in the article. Impeachment was never a priority for the 40%+ of Americans who live in between the Republicans and the Democrats.
    I don’t know why you guys respect Tucker or anything he says. All he does is spread fake news, and you don’t even care. I mean, really, do you think Michelle Obama is running for President? Do Fox News viewers like being lied to and misled

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    Re: Tucker Carlson: Democrats have lost the Trump impeachment war. Even Adam Schiff knows it

    Quote Originally Posted by uptower View Post
    We already know - and so does congress - that there is only a slim chance the senate will convict. Everyone also knows that is only for partisan reasons.

    But given the evidence congress is still obliged to act. They have to bring forward articles of impeachment because they've identified high-crimes and misdemeanors and it is their duty to act.
    I think so too. The Democrats wanted us to believe that they were investigating Trump because they were honor and duty bound to do so. If they change their tune because their political calculations have changed, they'll lose.

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    Re: Tucker Carlson: Democrats have lost the Trump impeachment war. Even Adam Schiff knows it

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I don’t know why you guys respect Tucker or anything he says. All he does is spread fake news, and you don’t even care. I mean, really, do you think Michelle Obama is running for President? Do Fox News viewers like being lied to and misled
    Sigh. Try reading the OP before you reply. Super simple request. Super minimal effort on your part.

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    Re: Tucker Carlson: Democrats have lost the Trump impeachment war. Even Adam Schiff knows it

    Quote Originally Posted by Nalu View Post
    I think so too. The Democrats wanted us to believe that they were investigating Trump because they were honor and duty bound to do so. If they change their tune because their political calculations have changed, they'll lose.
    Indeed if they back down just because they won't 'win' they've missed the point and failed in their responsibility.
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    Re: Tucker Carlson: Democrats have lost the Trump impeachment war. Even Adam Schiff knows it

    Quote Originally Posted by uptower View Post
    Indeed if they back down just because they won't 'win' they've missed the point and failed in their responsibility.
    And they'll be fried at the polls. I've been saying since I joined DP that the Democrats have every reason to win this effort except that they have an uncanny ability to screw up things that are in their favor.

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    Re: Tucker Carlson: Democrats have lost the Trump impeachment war. Even Adam Schiff knows it

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Since a majority of Americans support impeachment and removal, .
    this is NOT true. The majority are against it. And what is comical to me is that more are against it AFTER the testimony...

    hearsay and politics and innuendo, Oh my

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    Re: Tucker Carlson: Democrats have lost the Trump impeachment war. Even Adam Schiff knows it

    Quote Originally Posted by narrowroad View Post
    this is NOT true. The majority are against it. And what is comical to me is that more are against it AFTER the testimony...

    hearsay and politics and innuendo, Oh my
    The majority are not against it.

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