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Fox calls white black.

Apparently there is no shame in trumpville tonight,

When the fox opinion clowns outright lie to their audience with righteous indignation. There is bias and then there is outright friggin lying. Seems tucker and the gang have no problems with it.

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OF course.............it doesn't fit your alternate fantasy.

Am I right?
 
It's good to see that the leftist on this thread are only interested in throwing dirt and not addressing what was actually said by Sondland.

Sorry to burst your bubble everyone but Fox has taken the W on this one. As they called it correctly, because even Sondland stated it himself.

Quid pro quo was his assumption, and even Trump himself stated that he wanted nothing, as per Sodland himself.

The rest of you can cry about Fox being right all you like. It does not change what everyone know's to have happened.
 
Ah, Trump never said, "Hey Gordon, This is a quid pro quo." Therefore there was not? How do you get through the day without making inferences, or perceiving reality?

Don't know, you'd be a better source to ask if that is the actual case.
 
Sondland clarified later that it was the whitehouse meeting that he had first hand knowledge was conditioned on the announcement of the investigations trump wanted.

But I'm sure you knew that.

So now you're combating the problem that Sondland was, or wasn't lying.

Because he's already stated that Trump wanted nothing, and we know that no investigation was announced. Which all of the quid pro quo is still his own assumption.

So which is it, is he lying, or not?
 
Someone asked you? Or you think you're helping your buddy?

No, I'm just pointing your idiocy back at you. It's not like the lot of you were actually debating the topic in the first place.

Sondland was rather direct in what was said and the lot of you are just putting as hard a spin on this as possible. Honestly I think it's pathetic, but I've come back to worse things on this site before. So it doesn't' really bother me.
 
So now you're combating the problem that Sondland was, or wasn't lying.

Because he's already stated that Trump wanted nothing, and we know that no investigation was announced. Which all of the quid pro quo is still his own assumption.

So which is it, is he lying, or not?

False choice. He also said that trump just said that. He didn't say he believed him.

And the money got freed up before Zelenskyy was supposed to do the announcement on CNN. Because the cat was out of the bag.

So he didn't do it.

And he and others testified that the whitehouse meeting was absolutely contingent on announcing the investigations.

Didn't they tell you that on Fox?

Of course they didn't.

The republicans had no interest in the truth, they were just there to defend trump.

They were generating soundbites for conservative media. Managing their narratives.

And y'all fell for it hook line and sinker..
If you were teenage girls you'd all he pregnant by now
 
False choice. He also said that trump just said that. He didn't say he believed him.

And the money got freed up before Zelenskyy was supposed to do the announcement on CNN. Because the cat was out of the bag.

So he didn't do it.

And he and others testified that the whitehouse meeting was absolutely contingent on announcing the investigations.

Didn't they tell you that on Fox?

Of course they didn't.

The republicans had no interest in the truth, they were just there to defend trump.

They were generating soundbites for conservative media. Managing their narratives.

And y'all fell for it hook line and sinker..
If you were teenage girls you'd all he pregnant by now

Seeing as no ones been able to actually establish a quid pro quo. I'm not really interested in this snake oil that you're currently trying to sell me.

Because this is actually just sad that you'd keep going on as such. Seeing as I watch not only these two networks, but three others, and keep track through several journalist who regularly report on such through Youtube. I'm more inclined to go with the consensus that such a establishment was ever found. Seeing as that requires Sondland's assumption of what happened to be true, and he's already admitted to Trump not wanting anything. So that knocks out the claims of quid pro quo and attempting to twist what little disengaged information you can together to make a point that serves your agenda. Only serves to reveal how desperate you are, not myself.

Seeing as quid pro quo isn't even illegal, I don't even really care either way. But the lot of you trying to actively lie through your teeth on a daily basis, is something that will only harm you in the long run and no one else.

Please, find another shtick.
 
This modern form of conservatism could not exist without being based on lies.

at least there's an alternative to the other liars.
Now, what is this about? Are we to sit through 2 videos to find out who said what? Some OP we got here. Outrage dejour, no time for words.
 
Then there's this:



Sondland admits there is no evidence of any quid pro quo tying aid to any investigations.

That it was HIS "presumption" while admitting no actual knowledge of "quid pro quo."

Yes, he certainly alleged it in his opening statement. Then, completely ignored by most of the MSM, but not by FOX, he later indicates that was just his "presumption" with no factual basis at all.


Confirmation bias is something most of us are guilty of. It is all good.
 
at least there's an alternative to the other liars.
Now, what is this about? Are we to sit through 2 videos to find out who said what? Some OP we got here. Outrage dejour, no time for words.

The statement in this case was made during Sondland's opening remarks.
 
Apparently there is no shame in trumpville tonight,

When the fox opinion clowns outright lie to their audience with righteous indignation. There is bias and then there is outright friggin lying. Seems tucker and the gang have no problems with it.

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In Sondland's full testament it was made clear that there was no 'quid pro quo' ordered by the president, it was his 'presumption' that there was.
This presumption of his also flies in the face of the content of a conversation between Trump and Sondland where 'I want nothing from Ukraine', 'Zelenski should do the right thing', and 'No quid pro quo' were in fact stated by the president.

I think you need to be mad at CNN only giving you the part of the story and the part of the facts that CNN agrees with.
 
Seeing as no ones been able to actually establish a quid pro quo. I'm not really interested in this snake oil that you're currently trying to sell me.

Because this is actually just sad that you'd keep going on as such. Seeing as I watch not only these two networks, but three others, and keep track through several journalist who regularly report on such through Youtube. I'm more inclined to go with the consensus that such a establishment was ever found. Seeing as that requires Sondland's assumption of what happened to be true, and he's already admitted to Trump not wanting anything. So that knocks out the claims of quid pro quo and attempting to twist what little disengaged information you can together to make a point that serves your agenda. Only serves to reveal how desperate you are, not myself.

Seeing as quid pro quo isn't even illegal, I don't even really care either way. But the lot of you trying to actively lie through your teeth on a daily basis, is something that will only harm you in the long run and no one else.

Please, find another shtick.

So you think the DNC server is at the crowdstrike home office in Ukraine, owned by "one of your rich guys"?
 
:lamo

You are a crack up. You completely ignore his OWN WORDS when he said that was HIS PERCEPTION and that he LITERALLY never heard a single soul on the planet actually make the claim.

I swear...you people call TRUMP dishonest...

:lamo


Hahahahahaah. Its amazing what you guys will fall for. He clearly stated THERE WAS A QUID PRO QUO. It was understood by everybody, period. And he implicated not only guiliani, but pompeo, mulvaney, perry, trump et.al. as they pursued a domestic political errand with a lowlife attempt at getting dirt on his main political opponent from a foreign power by mis-using the power of his office.

laughable.
 
Hahahahahaah. Its amazing what you guys will fall for. He clearly stated THERE WAS A QUID PRO QUO. It was understood by everybody, period. And he implicated not only guiliani, but pompeo, mulvaney, perry, trump et.al. as they pursued a domestic political errand with a lowlife attempt at getting dirt on his main political opponent from a foreign power by mis-using the power of his office.

laughable.
No...what is amazing is how readily you folk sacrifice your integrity and regurgitate lies...things that you KNOW were proven to be lies...because it fits your partisan hatred. You have the very man you are citing stating SPECIFICALLY that he was SPECULATING...his opinion...and that NO ONE ever told him anything directly related to QPQ...and yet...

you keep repeating the lies.

Thats not laughable. Its pathetic.
 
Maybe you can't grasp that the guy at the heart of this whole thing said not one single person on earth said anything about quid pro quo involving an investigation, or anything.

Keep failing. The American public has noticed what the left is doing.

you mean the words quid pro quo were not used therefore there wasn't one? Wow, semantically true. I guess all that evidence that both the meeting and the lethal aid were being held up until the favor of investigations into his main political rival were conducted can be ignored because it wasn't a case of "this for that".

I guess some in trumpland are completely incapable of putting two and two together when it comes to power politics and human nature. As for whose noticing, I do agree the american public is beginning to, and there is a lot more to come out.
 
No...what is amazing is how readily you folk sacrifice your integrity and regurgitate lies...things that you KNOW were proven to be lies...because it fits your partisan hatred. You have the very man you are citing stating SPECIFICALLY that he was SPECULATING...his opinion...and that NO ONE ever told him anything directly related to QPQ...and yet...

you keep repeating the lies.

Thats not laughable. Its pathetic.


Yes it is pathetic that you can't put two and two together, nor identify the line of questioning as a standard cross examination ploy. The fact remains that it was understood by everyone. One person with first hand direct knowledge of the president demanding the quid pro quo is Nick Mulvaney who testified to it on national television, yet he and the other senior members (direct reports) of the administration involved in this clustermuck are refusing to testify.

I do agree the dear leader is concerned about corruption tho. His becoming even more public than it already is.
 
It's good to see that the leftist on this thread are only interested in throwing dirt and not addressing what was actually said by Sondland.

Sorry to burst your bubble everyone but Fox has taken the W on this one. As they called it correctly, because even Sondland stated it himself.



Quid pro quo was his assumption, and even Trump himself stated that he wanted nothing, as per Sodland himself.

The rest of you can cry about Fox being right all you like. It does not change what everyone know's to have happened.


Yep everyone knows exactly what happened. i guess you didn't hear the testimony nor considered the timing of trumps "there is no quid pro quo" I want nothing. It came AFTER Shiff announced an investigation into why the aid was being held up. Boy oh boy, who knew all anyone had to do was declare they didn't commit the crime they had up to that point had absolutely been committing. Amazing what getting caught can do, eh?
 
Yes it is pathetic that you can't put two and two together, nor identify the line of questioning as a standard cross examination ploy. The fact remains that it was understood by everyone. One person with first hand direct knowledge of the president demanding the quid pro quo is Nick Mulvaney who testified to it on national television, yet he and the other senior members (direct reports) of the administration involved in this clustermuck are refusing to testify.

I do agree the dear leader is concerned about corruption tho. His becoming even more public than it already is.
Its rather comical. Turner blasted the rats for doing precisely what they did, what everyone knew they were doing, what everyone knew CNN would do, and what people like you would eagerly swallow.

And you did.
 
So you think the DNC server is at the crowdstrike home office in Ukraine, owned by "one of your rich guys"?


The ukranians KNEW this crowdstrike conspiracy theory was absolute garbage but it was being peddled by the POTUS. can you imagine what they must have been thinking about Trump and his cronies when he spouts this nonsense in relation to a "favor to investigate"?


The great American Eagle of freedom acting like the lowly vulture of despotism.
 
Its rather comical. Turner blasted the rats for doing precisely what they did, what everyone knew they were doing, what everyone knew CNN would do, and what people like you would eagerly swallow.

And you did.

it is rather comical since you and fox are playing to the script. Turner pulled an age old courtroom tactic. Fact you fell for it is not surprising.
 
No...what is amazing is how readily you folk sacrifice your integrity and regurgitate lies...things that you KNOW were proven to be lies...because it fits your partisan hatred. You have the very man you are citing stating SPECIFICALLY that he was SPECULATING...his opinion...and that NO ONE ever told him anything directly related to QPQ...and yet...

you keep repeating the lies.

Thats not laughable. Its pathetic.

nice projection. no worries .
 
it is rather comical since you and fox are playing to the script. Turner pulled an age old courtroom tactic. Fact you fell for it is not surprising.
you talk of scripts...yet that is precisely what they did to you. They elicited a response that was NOT true, ran to the press who coordinate their comments KNOWING people like you would swallow eagerly...then had that 'truth' which you cling to OBLITERATED...yet...they knew that all you would hear was the lies they spoon fed you.

Its curious. I know it doesnt bother you because you are 'the willing'...but I wonder what would be worse...having the rats and the media KNOW they could count on you to just blindly swallow this stuff and then go on regurgitating it like you always do...or the fact that they are right?
 
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