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cpwill said:
:shrug: probably because I'm arguing against y'all. People from all sides like and hate different posts of mine because I critique the GOP and Trump where they deserve it, and the Left when they deserve it. If he likes Trump so much, he's welcome to like the post above this one.

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:lol: ok... you’re on the side of proud boy in this thread. Are you capable of stepping back and seeing how white supremacists approve of your views on the SPLC, and also approve that you don’t care about possible white supremacists and alt right members working in the White House? You’re nothing more than a bystander. You lack concern and care for white supremacy influencing the White House and taking over your party. Do you seriously think this is going to end with Trump, because I don’t think it is. I think your Grand Old Party is ****ed, and it’s the fault of even you and the rest of the conservative bystanders.


One of the reasons you’re taking so much heat in this thread, is because of your inability to realize that America honestly needs an organization SPLC to track all hate groups and study them, and learn their modern and geopolitical goals.

You have your head in the sand, and you don’t seem to care. But you’re bystanding and lack of caring isn’t your biggest personal flaw. Your biggest personal flaw is that you have been sucked in to the white identity of the modern GOP, and you’re unwittingly making excuses for mainstream white supremacist talking points and the takeover of your party. I predict that whatever the alt right and the sophisticated white supremacists around Trump do to your party, you’re going to unwittingly allow it to happen.

Being a bystander is completely your choice
 
SheWolf said:
[emoji38] ok... you’re on the side of proud boy in this thread. Are you capable of stepping back and seeing how white supremacists approve of your views on the SPLC, and also approve that you don’t care about possible white supremacists and alt right members working in the White House?
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Oh! I can play this game too! Nazis expanded the welfare State, and Woodrow Wilson (who was a proto fascist if ever there was one, and a proud booster of the KKK) was a progressive, and also wanted to expand the welfare State, so, anyone, especially any progressive, who argues for expanding the welfare State for any reason is morally tainted with the Nazis and the KKK!

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People of all stripes have liked different posts of mine on here; it happens if you're reasonably erudite and not an ugly Tribalist. Probably at some point someone who (unlike me) is a Trump supporter has liked one of your posts (or several). That doesn't taint you with Trump's racism.

Oboseren: are you a Proud Boy?

You’re nothing more than a bystander.
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:shrug: I'm a voting citizen who, unlike most, was willing to leave my former party and fight my former side for years. I've spent years of my life away from family and occasionally risking my life for my beliefs. This charge has zero effect on me.

You lack concern and care for white supremacy influencing the White House and taking over your party
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Actually I left that party over Trump; for his racism among many other reasons. :)

Do you seriously think this is going to end with Trump, because I don’t think it is.
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I'd agree with that assessment, and made the exact same argument during the Obama administration. Which is why I highlighted the danger of Trump's attempts to weaponize Presidential power in foreign policy against his domestic opposition as so dangerous to the Republic.

I think your Grand Old Party is ****ed, and it’s the fault of even you and the rest of the conservative bystanders.
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:) If you think I haven't opposed Trump since the summer of 2015, I think you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

One of the reasons you’re taking so much heat in this thread, is because of your inability to realize that America honestly needs an organization SPLC to track all hate groups and study them, and learn their modern and geopolitical goals.
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Yeah - if the SPLC actually reliably did that, that would be fantastic. Unfortunately, they decided to become a partisan hack group, instead. But, that's what sells these days.

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cpwill said:
Oh! I can play this game too! Nazis expanded the welfare State, and Woodrow Wilson (who was a proto fascist if ever there was one, and a proud booster of the KKK) was a progressive, and also wanted to expand the welfare State, so, anyone, especially any progressive, who argues for expanding the welfare State for any reason is morally tainted with the Nazis and the KKK!

:roll:

People of all stripes have liked different posts of mine on here; it happens if you're reasonably erudite and not an ugly Tribalist. Probably at some point someone who (unlike me) is a Trump supporter has liked one of your posts (or several). That doesn't taint you with Trump's racism.

Oboseren: are you a Proud Boy?



:shrug: I'm a voting citizen who, unlike most, was willing to leave my former party and fight my former side for years. I've spent years of my life away from family and occasionally risking my life for my beliefs. This charge has zero effect on me.



Actually I left that party over Trump; for his racism among many other reasons. :)



I'd agree with that assessment, and made the exact same argument during the Obama administration. Which is why I highlighted the danger of Trump's attempts to weaponize Presidential power in foreign policy against his domestic opposition as so dangerous to the Republic.



:) If you think I haven't opposed Trump since the summer of 2015, I think you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.



Yeah - if the SPLC actually reliably did that, that would be fantastic. Unfortunately, they decided to become a partisan hack group, instead. But, that's what sells these days.

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Your post is a huge display of cognitive dissonance. I’m simply trying to point out to you that white supremacy and the alt right has taken over your party. That’s not at all comparable to your welfare state rant. What has happened to your party isn’t going to end when Trump is gone. And despite you saying you don’t like Trump and you don’t support Trump, you are a bystander and helplessly naive about the larger picture. Trump is going to go away, but the alt right Steve Bannon, Richard Spencer, and these other modern sophisticated white supremacists who are elbowing their way into the GOP mainstream along with their talking points and fear of cultural genocide, that’s not going to easily go away with Trump.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: I"m not upset with either of them. I started my first post in this thread by acknowledging that Miller very well could be a white supremacist. I simply don't accept SPLC as an arbiter of what makes a white supremacist for the same reason I don't accept Hannity or Trump as an arbiter of who is a Deep State Traitor to the U.S. - because all of these actors have demonstrated that they are willing to sling these accusations where they are unwarranted for political effect.
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This doesnt take into account the many more things that make the SPLC more credible than Hannity. Ive also given you plenty of examples of why their assessment of Charles Murray is spot on by his actions. You dont even have to take their word on Miller as his earlier high school writings demonstrate it. It was a red herring to attack the source.
 
cpwill said:
Oh! I can play this game too! Nazis expanded the welfare State, and Woodrow Wilson (who was a proto fascist if ever there was one, and a proud booster of the KKK) was a progressive, and also wanted to expand the welfare State, so, anyone, especially any progressive, who argues for expanding the welfare State for any reason is morally tainted with the Nazis and the KKK!

:roll:

People of all stripes have liked different posts of mine on here; it happens if you're reasonably erudite and not an ugly Tribalist. Probably at some point someone who (unlike me) is a Trump supporter has liked one of your posts (or several). That doesn't taint you with Trump's racism.

Oboseren: are you a Proud Boy?



:shrug: I'm a voting citizen who, unlike most, was willing to leave my former party and fight my former side for years. I've spent years of my life away from family and occasionally risking my life for my beliefs. This charge has zero effect on me.



Actually I left that party over Trump; for his racism among many other reasons. :)



I'd agree with that assessment, and made the exact same argument during the Obama administration. Which is why I highlighted the danger of Trump's attempts to weaponize Presidential power in foreign policy against his domestic opposition as so dangerous to the Republic.



:) If you think I haven't opposed Trump since the summer of 2015, I think you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.



Yeah - if the SPLC actually reliably did that, that would be fantastic. Unfortunately, they decided to become a partisan hack group, instead. But, that's what sells these days.

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Your accusations regarding the sources we bring up hold no merit. I dont understand your emotional need to defend Charles Murray who whether or not he intended to has been the biggest launching point for alt-reich pseudo intellectualism. The alt-reich would not have fooled so many people into thinking minorities are by hereditary standards subhuman without the bell curve. His legacy is one of promoting racism and no having a mixed family does not undo his actions.
I go by the general record of an organization when judging their accuracy. 4 out of the many cases that they cover =\= Sean Hannity who gets practically everything wrong
 
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CitizenBasehead said:
They could pretend to be whatever they want but they're still jews.



It's still commie **** libs. POC's just annoy us...



That is a novel idea. You can't really call them anti-semites and they benefit from their members ethnic privilege. I would also imagine this really pisses off jewish ****-libs.



I wouldn't call them anti-semites, they're very concerned citizens that don't want their culture to be subverted.

https://timeline.com/how concerned citizens put a stop to medical experiments being conducted on mentally ill people.



The SPLC an utterly-discredited, long-debunked far-left smear organization. No one believes what these idiots have to say.
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Wow. This is some high-quality filth.
 
SheWolf said:
Your post is a huge display of cognitive dissonance.
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I absolutely believe you would experience cognitive dissonance reading my post. That is often the case for Tribalists who run into someone who is willing to criticize members of both teams.

But I'm not certain you are bothering to read what you are replying to, because all this:

I’m simply trying to point out to you that white supremacy and the alt right has taken over your party. That’s not at all comparable to your welfare state rant. What has happened to your party isn’t going to end when Trump is gone. And despite you saying you don’t like Trump and you don’t support Trump, you are a bystander and helplessly naive about the larger picture. Trump is going to go away, but the alt right Steve Bannon, Richard Spencer, and these other modern sophisticated white supremacists who are elbowing their way into the GOP mainstream along with their talking points and fear of cultural genocide, that’s not going to easily go away with Trump.
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Was addressed in the very post you quoted.

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cpwill said:
I absolutely believe you would experience cognitive dissonance reading my post. That is often the case for Tribalists who run into someone who is willing to criticize members of both teams.

But I'm not certain you are bothering to read what you are replying to, because all this:



Was addressed in the very post you quoted.

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That only works when criticism makes sense. Bothsiderism is not really critical thinking.
 
cpwill said:
I absolutely believe you would experience cognitive dissonance reading my post. That is often the case for Tribalists who run into someone who is willing to criticize members of both teams.

But I'm not certain you are bothering to read what you are replying to, because all this:



Was addressed in the very post you quoted.

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No, you didn’t address it. All you do is talk about how you’re not a Trump supporter. That doesn’t address the alt right take over of you’re Party. It’s not just Trump. You have not addressed that.

And when you accuse me of being tribal, it’s as equally ridiculous as you calling me a racist. I honestly don’t think you understand my POV, and I don’t think you’re willing, because all you do is come off really sensitive and and build stawmen based on either what you think I think or misunderstanding my posts.
 
bomberfox said:
This doesnt take into account the many more things that make the SPLC more credible than Hannity
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:roll: No, I doesn't take into account the many things that make Hannity more credible than SPLC, because....

Those who have shown themselves to be dishonest partisan hacks are dishonest partisan hacks. They may even tell the truth, but, - especially in areas where they've already proven their willingness to be dishonest - their word in and of itself cannot be trusted.

. Ive also given you plenty of examples of why their assessment of Charles Murray is spot on by his actions.
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No you haven't. Not once have you cited the man, instead depending on guilt-by-association by listing a bunch of links shot something else entirely, and depending on what you claim is their connection to Eugenics, a standard, I am willing to wager, you are not willing to apply event when it comes to institutions like Planned Parenthood.

You dont even have to take their word on Miller as his earlier high school writings demonstrate it. It was a red herring to attack the source.
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:shrug: nah - people are stupid assholes as teens, who often love provocation for it's own sake. It can be an indication, sure, but not an indictment.

And, as I said, it's completely plausible that Miller is a racist and/or a white nationalist. I simply am not willing to accept SPLC's word on it, as the OP did, because they have proven themselves hyperbolically dishonest before :shrug:

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bomberfox said:
That only works when criticism makes sense. Bothsiderism is not really critical thinking.
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OTC, I would say that blind Tribalism isn't critical thinking.

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SheWolf said:
No, you didn’t address it.
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:) In fact I did. Let me know which parts you are still confused on, and I'll break it out for you.

All you do is talk about how you’re not a Trump supporter. That doesn’t address the alt right take over of you’re Party. It’s not just Trump. You have not addressed that.
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For example, as I pointed out repeatedly, it's not my party, because I left that party over precisely these issues - it's no more my party than it is yours :).

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cpwill said:
:) In fact I did. Let me know which parts you are still confused on, and I'll break it out for you.



For example, as I pointed out repeatedly, it's not my party, because I left that party over precisely these issues - it's no more my party than it is yours :).

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So your personal solution is too just leave the party? This is again why I say you seem indifferent and unconcerned about the alt right and white supremacist taking over the party and the current White House. You leave the party OK. I guess that’s a personal solution for you, but I have a hard time seeing your concern with the bigger picture
 
cpwill said:
This seemed credible right up until the moment I realized they were just repeating talking points from the thoroughly-discredited SPLC.

Ironically, these claims are now about as credible as the fervers that come out of Breitbart itself :p
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I've read this slop but there simply isn't much "there, there". Some thinly framed accusations but no meat to it. SPLC gets bent our of shape if you call a shovel a spade. Everything to them is racist, it's how they get donations.
variety of opinons on SPLC.

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SheWolf said:
So your personal solution is too just leave the party?
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Certainly not being part of a party I could be longer morally countenance is part of it. I vote, speak, and donate accordingly, and influence to the exceedingly small degree I am able.

This is again why I say you seem indifferent and unconcerned about the alt right and white supremacist taking over the party and the current White House.
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:shrug: then you either haven't been paying attention, which is defensible or you've chosen to define "opposing Trump" as "supporting every left wing individual and or institution", which isn't.

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cpwill said:
:roll: No, I doesn't take into account the many things that make Hannity more credible than SPLC, because....

Those who have shown themselves to be dishonest partisan hacks are dishonest partisan hacks. They may even tell the truth, but, - especially in areas where they've already proven their willingness to be dishonest - their word in and of itself cannot be trusted.



No you haven't. Not once have you cited the man, instead depending on guilt-by-association by listing a bunch of links shot something else entirely, and depending on what you claim is their connection to Eugenics, a standard, I am willing to wager, you are not willing to apply event when it comes to institutions like Planned Parenthood.



:shrug: nah - people are stupid assholes as teens, who often love provocation for it's own sake. It can be an indication, sure, but not an indictment.

And, as I said, it's completely plausible that Miller is a racist and/or a white nationalist. I simply am not willing to accept SPLC's word on it, as the OP did, because they have proven themselves hyperbolically dishonest before :shrug:

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4 times you listed, one they were spot on but you handwave bcuz muh black friend, another has been corrected so 2 remain out of how many? Pretty good track record :D. I know you dont care about being remotely accurate in your comparisons so someone who gets things wrong ALL THE TIME is an ok comparison.Also you do realize planned parenthood provides much more than just abortion planning right? Just like the SPLC trains legal scholars and professionals as well as community development. Also it is not simple guilt by association when the pioneer fund directly funds and influences your research.

The bolded is simply an alt-reich excuse. Richard Spencer said the same about his heil trump event. Its just as tribal with you and your petty beef with leftists that leave you with a blind spot despite your meanderings to disarm. Miller has only gotten worse not better
 
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Integrityrespec said:
I've read this slop but there simply isn't much "there, there". Some thinly framed accusations but no meat to it. SPLC gets bent our of shape if you call a shovel a spade. Everything to them is racist, it's how they get donations.
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Lol they cite the onion like wtf?
 
SheWolf said:
So your personal solution is too just leave the party? This is again why I say you seem indifferent and unconcerned about the alt right and white supremacist taking over the party and the current White House. You leave the party OK. I guess that’s a personal solution for you, but I have a hard time seeing your concern with the bigger picture
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I think CP just loves to argue incessantly
 
cpwill said:
Certainly not being part of a party I could be longer morally countenance is part of it. I vote, speak, and donate accordingly, and influence to the exceedingly small degree I am able.



:shrug: then you either haven't been paying attention, which is defensible or you've chosen to define "opposing Trump" as "supporting every left wing individual and or institution", which isn't.

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I am not trying to talk to you about opposing Trump, nor am I claiming you’re a liar about being a never Trumper. I’m also not trying to debate you that you should support all left wing candidates in politics. I don’t do that myself. I feel like you’re not really having a conversation with me, but you’re just constantly building a strawmen and looking to call me a tribalism.

Again the issue is that you don’t seem really concerned about the direction the alt right is going to take America. The SPLC does serious work you don’t seem to value. As I said before, 10 or 20 years ago, I don’t think Republicans like you would argue neo nazis are all individuals and the entire group shouldn’t be judged for bad actors within the group. You’ve also promoted false talking points about the family separation policy in this thread. It’s not a matter of opposing Trump. We are past that. We are now at the point where white supremacists want a seat in the White House and they want their talking points to be main stream. They don’t want you to see them as literally Hitler, because this new group wants non violent racial cleaning. Also, they’re just concerned about the survival of the white race, what’s so wrong and hateful about that?

Where is your concern for these changes in America
 
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