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Leaked stephen miller emails to breitbart directed race, anti-immigrant news coverage

Mustachio said:
Yeah, I'm well aware. It certainly appears racist. But it's hard to say if he was trying to provide housing for rich people (who they assumed wanted to live minority-free lives) or promoting a very evil, racist housing policy. His father? Probably both. Him? Hard to say. His father, as far as I know, didn't have a severe case of narcissistic personality disorder like our President does. As far as I know. It reminds me of the first episode of House of Cards when Francis explains how power is the ultimate goal - the only goal. A quality which, as Gore Vidal one wrote, is a tragedy in a man and a disaster in a President.
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Racism also covers what people do so so we dont necessarily have to do a deep psychological dive. There are some good points in this post.
 
bomberfox said:
Lel the i got a black friend shield. Aint that grand?
[8] Lombardo, Paul A. (2002). "'The American Breed': Nazi eugenics and the origins of the Pioneer Fund". Albany Law Rev. 65 (3): 743–830. PMID 11998853.
Rushton, J. Philippe (2002). "The Pioneer Fund and the Scientific Study of Human Differences" (PDF). Albany Law Rev. 66: 209. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2013-03-27.
Lombardo, Paul A. (2002). "Pioneer's Big Lie". Albany Law Rev. 66: 1125.
Tucker, William H. (2002). "A Closer Look at the Pioneer Fund: Response to Rushton". Albany Law Rev. 66: 1145

https://www.amazon.com/Coming-Apart-State-America-1960-2010/dp/030745343X

See what happens when ya do a bit of digging?
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1. Marriage. His kids are mixed race.

2. Evidently, when you do a bit of digging, you don't come up with anything demonstrating that Murray is a racist.

3. Which also rather goes to confirm the point about Ben Carson and the others. If SPLC was actually highlighting dangerous white nationalists, that evidence would be rather easy to find in their own words, as it is (for example) with Richard Spencer.

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SheWolf said:
Many people at the SPLC are academics and PHDs who study hate groups, their histories, goals, and philosophy. I met a college professor through my sister, and he was associated with the SPLC. He specializes in genocide. Others specialize in domestic terror. Many individuals involved in the SPLC are respected academics, and their work is actually very valuable and necessary. It is sad to see so many right wingers hating on them, as if nobody there is doing anything worth a damn.
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Well, if they hadn't decided to shoot their own credibility in the face, they wouldn't have lost it on this issue.

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SheWolf said:
They treat Carson like a klan member. That sounds like hyperbole to me. I still need the proof.
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Ya think?

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SheWolf said:
I don’t appreciate it. The only thing I have taken personal offense to is you acting like I am an anti white racist who thinks white people deserve to be harassed in the public by minorities. I told you back then, I took your accusations very seriously and it deeply impacted the way I saw you as a person. Yes, I found it highly offensive. If you want to continue turning the situation into a joke and game, by continuing to try to make everything about me personally, then don’t expect me think highly of you as a person, and don’t ****ing try to whine and cry about it either. I don’t care about your feelings.
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:roll: again, if you think cpwill was a big ole meanie because he pointed out to you the implications of your own words, go back to the thread and respond there. This thread is not that one.

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cpwill said:
:roll: again, if you think cpwill was a big ole meanie because he pointed out to you the implications of your own words, go back to the thread and respond there. This thread is not that one.

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It’s like you’re trying to gaslight yourself. I never said, anywhere on this website, that minorities should be able to publicly harass white people. The fact like you do things like that, defend neo nazis but say Antifa is a slur, it says a lot about you. It says you’re a white male who feels threatened, and in reality you’re not. In reality, I don’t want to harass you because you’re white either.

I don’t give a **** about your gaslighting, because I know you’re wrong.
 
SheWolf said:
It’s like you’re trying to gaslight yourself. I never said, anywhere on this website, that minorities should be able to publicly harass white people. The fact like you do things like that, defend neo nazis but say Antifa is a slur, it says a lot about you. It says you’re a white male who feels threatened, and in reality you’re not. In reality, I don’t want to harass you because you’re white either.

I don’t give a **** about your gaslighting, because I know you’re wrong.
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:roll: again. if you think cpwill was a big ole meanie for pointing out to you the implications of your own words, go to the thread and talk about it there. Stop trying to threadjack this one.
 
cpwill said:
1. Marriage. His kids are mixed race.

2. Evidently, when you do a bit of digging, you don't come up with anything demonstrating that Murray is a racist.

3. Which also rather goes to confirm the point about Ben Carson and the others. If SPLC was actually highlighting dangerous white nationalists, that evidence would be rather easy to find in their own words, as it is (for example) with Richard Spencer.

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Advocating for eugenics and furthering eugenics pseudo science is racist. He gave the BIGGEST pseudo intellectual argument the alt-reich could ever wish for. Racism does not just refer to mindset, it refers to what you do and systems of power. Racists are not always honest, in fact they are usually very dishonest.
 
cpwill said:
I don't - I simply react to the SPLC's decision to attack Ben Carson, the Family Research Center (where they inspired a shooter to attack!), Masjid Nawaz, Charles Murray, and others as somehow hate filled bigots or the moral equivalent of the Klan :roll:
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Who would want to debate someone with such a ridiculously disparaging view of the SPLC? Certainly not me!

cpwill said:
I don't like MANY things about Trump. He's an idiot, unwilling to learn and unable to think that he should. He's a constant liar, and he makes others lie or be dishonest for him. He has the emotional maturity of a child, the temperament of an angry drunk, and the viciousness of a schoolyard bully. He's abusive, corrupt, and a danger to the Republic.
He's a racist in a casual way - I wouldn't say he actively hates other ethnicities, but generally looks down on them. It's in the long, long, list of reasons why he never should have been allowed anywhere near public office.
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Thank you for expressing disdain for Trump! I hope your disdain reflects growing Anti-Trump sentiment among other Conservatives.

bomberfox said:
Advocating for eugenics and furthering eugenics pseudo science is racist. He gave the BIGGEST pseudo intellectual argument the alt-reich could ever wish for. Racism does not just refer to mindset, it refers to what you do and systems of power. Racists are not always honest, in fact they are usually very dishonest.
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Citing criticism of Ben Carson's anti-gay views and Charles Murray's eugenic views as a reason to discredit the SPLC speaks volumes. I tip my hat to your willingness to continue to debate. Better you than me!
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Who would want to debate someone with such a ridiculously disparaging view of the SPLC? Certainly not me!



Thank you for expressing disdain for Trump! I hope your disdain reflects growing Anti-Trump sentiment among other Conservatives.



Citing criticism of Ben Carson's anti-gay views and Charles Murray's eugenic views as a reason to discredit the SPLC speaks volumes. I tip my hat to your willingness to continue to debate. Better you than me!
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Im not even sure cpwill was even aware of Murray’s advocacy of eugenics but thanks! People think being in a mixed relationship excludes someone from being racist but the history of racism goes further than someone putting on a klan hood and railing about miscegenation.
 
cpwill said:
That position is also not racist, though it can plausibly be motivated by it. We have let in massive numbers legally and illegally for decades; we could probably use a breather.

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So you support a 50% reduction in legal immigration? Or, what figures would you use to define "breather"?
 
bluesmoke said:
So you support a 50% reduction in legal immigration? Or, what figures would you use to define "breather"?
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Hm. I dunno if I'd say that much or what - I'll admit, it's not something I've developed a solid policy position on, other than a couple of basic tenets:

1. Law needs to actually be enforced, reliably, consistently, and across the board. Those who violate our immigration laws* should be culpable for their actions just as those who violate our employment laws should be.

2. We have mass imported low skill labor, and then been surprised to find that our lower skilled workers are facing increased competition and downward wage pressure that comes with it. Future immigration policy should focus on importing those with skill sets who are not likely to require assistance for them or their families, just as (for example) Canada does.

3. Assimilation into American culture needs to be heavily encouraged, and enabled.
- This isn't just language, but includes it. Allowing children to go through our entire school system speaking a language that isn't spoken by a majority of the country doesn't help them; it severely hinders them.
- With a large portion of our populace now immigrants, our capacity to do this may be strained, meaning, yes, we may need to limit total numbers going forward below where they have been.**



*includes visa overstays.

** though shifting to a more skills based system could alleviate some of this. It is probably easier for a doctor from India to assimilate into American culture than it is for a tribesman from a rural Pakistani village in the former FATA.
 
bomberfox said:
Advocating for eugenics and furthering eugenics pseudo science is racist.
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And also, in this case, non-existent.

Hell, the man wrote an entire book the point of which was that the same effects showed up in white populations when you pulled them out as those that he identified as disproportionately harming blacks.

The Left hates Murray because he was the first to point out in a major way that the welfate state was failing those it purported to help. I've never seen anyone manage to substantiate the "Everyone I Don't Like Is Racist!" charge when leveled against him.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Who would want to debate someone with such a ridiculously disparaging view of the SPLC? Certainly not me!
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Well, Bye.


Thank you for expressing disdain for Trump! I hope your disdain reflects growing Anti-Trump sentiment among other Conservatives.
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Not sure if you've been paying attention or not, but my position on that man has been pretty consistent since he announced he was running

Citing criticism of Ben Carson's anti-gay views and Charles Murray's eugenic views as a reason to discredit the SPLC speaks volumes. I tip my hat to your willingness to continue to debate. Better you than me!
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:shrug: buying lies about Murray and accepting the notion that disagreeing with homosexuality make you the equivalent of the KKK, I would say, in turn, speaks volumes about whether or not I should take at face value someone's claims about anyone else.

If Literally Everyone On The Right Is Literally Hitler!!!... welp, no one is going to be impressed when someone else is declared to be.

Why do you people think no one took it seriously when we started warning about Trump's racist and fascist tendencies? It was because that Wolf had been cried at every high profile Republican before, and so, perversely, instead of being a detriment, the accusation came to mean simply that the left doesn't like them, and was possible afraid of them. A history of hyperbolically accusing people of being racists enables actual racists.
 
rocket88 said:
Leaked Stephen Miller Emails to Breitbart Directed Race, Anti-Immigrant News Coverage

Miller's emails tout eugenics and white nationalist conspiracy theories and offer news tips to Breitbart on how to cover immigration and amplify stories about black and Hispanic crime.

How often do we see "The MSM won't cover this because the guy is black?" Now we know where it comes from.
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We get it. You don't like that Trump won the election, and you really don't like that he put nationalists in the government. Is three years of whining not enough?
 
cpwill said:
And also, in this case, non-existent.

Hell, the man wrote an entire book the point of which was that the same effects showed up in white populations when you pulled them out as those that he identified as disproportionately harming blacks.

The Left hates Murray because he was the first to point out in a major way that the welfate state was failing those it purported to help. I've never seen anyone manage to substantiate the "Everyone I Don't Like Is Racist!" charge when leveled against him.
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The left hates Murray because he writes pioneer fund propaganda as i have clearly shown to you. I will not be civil with you if you continue to lie to defend this ****.
His book The Bell Curve was about IQs written specifically with the agenda of getting rid of public services because he posits that IQ differences are hereditary thus racial IQs cannot be fixed with education. His entire book the bell curve was written with the purpose of getting rid of educational programs that help disadvantaged children. I know you lie constantly because you need to keep up the absolutely bull**** narrative of the left calling everyone they dont like a racist even if you have to defend a corrupt eugenics loving madman.
 
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cpwill said:
Well, Bye.




Not sure if you've been paying attention or not, but my position on that man has been pretty consistent since he announced he was running



:shrug: buying lies about Murray and accepting the notion that disagreeing with homosexuality make you the equivalent of the KKK, I would say, in turn, speaks volumes about whether or not I should take at face value someone's claims about anyone else.

If Literally Everyone On The Right Is Literally Hitler!!!... welp, no one is going to be impressed when someone else is declared to be.

Why do you people think no one took it seriously when we started warning about Trump's racist and fascist tendencies? It was because that Wolf had been cried at every high profile Republican before, and so, perversely, instead of being a detriment, the accusation came to mean simply that the left doesn't like them, and was possible afraid of them. A history of hyperbolically accusing people of being racists enables actual racists.
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Why do you people think you represent everyone that disagrees with the left? Your party is losing.
 
Oborosen said:
So is this thread just another one of those regressive masturbation aids that we've seen crop up more and more?
Because with the impeachment going so horribly, I can understand why the lot of you are so desperate to find some way to feel better about yourselves.
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So you're okay with Miller, then?
 
bomberfox said:
The left hates Murray because he writes pioneer fund propaganda as i have clearly shown to you. I will not be civil with you if you continue to lie to defend this ****.
His book The Bell Curve was about IQs written specifically with the agenda of getting rid of public services because he posits that IQ differences are hereditary thus racial IQs cannot be fixed with education. His entire book the bell curve was written with the purpose of getting rid of educational programs that help disadvantaged children. I know you lie constantly because you need to keep up the absolutely bull**** narrative of the left calling everyone they dont like a racist even if you have to defend a corrupt eugenics loving madman.
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[emoji38] you haven't shown crap. You have a handful of links of people ranting about the pioneer foundation and quoted Murray not at all. You've equally clearly never read any of the things he's written.

And, yeah. If you're going to complain about the right pointing out that the left has a common tendency to accuse conservatives of bigotry simply for disagreeing with them... Well, let's just say I enjoy the fact that you are so self-unaware that you would do that in the thread where you are also insisting that standard conservatives are evil racist bigots and suggesting the conservative poster you are talking to has Nazi tendencies because he objects.
 
cpwill said:
[emoji38] you haven't shown crap. You have a handful of links of people ranting about the pioneer foundation and quoted Murray not at all. You've equally clearly never read any of the things he's written.

And, yeah. If you're going to complain about the right pointing out that the left has a common tendency to accuse conservatives of bigotry simply for disagreeing with them... Well, let's just say I enjoy the fact that you are so self-unaware that you would do that in the thread where you are also insisting that standard conservatives are evil racist bigots and suggesting the conservative poster you are talking to has Nazi tendencies because he objects.
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Yawn i showed the people from the foundation where he not only got his sources from but also funded his book. You’re such a victim of course since we all know how much cons make themselves to be the biggest victims of all. If ya support eugenics propaganda you are a racist its that simple :D. Tell me more about how much charles murray is so silenced he makes tons of money by giving the alt reich the biggest gift they could ask for. I guess standard conservatives are eugenicists who bitch and moan about the unraveling of white America according to you.

Also note cpwill never quite specifically mentions the objections he thinks the far left boogeymen are so scared of.
 
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