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Leaked stephen miller emails to breitbart directed race, anti-immigrant news coverage

bomberfox said:
Suuure it was.
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It was. :) You can even look it up. ;)

You also provide no backing for your argument but knee jerk dismissal of a fact that is easily corroborated by Miller’s writings.
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:shrug: as I stated: he might be. I just don't trust a non -credible source who calls Wolf on precisely this issue as it's major fundraising mechanism to accurately or truthfully identify such, and so their accusation is meaningless.
 
bomberfox said:
I mean hell he would have to show Breitbart or Hannity providing any legal aid or organized aid for the poor themselves (this is not talking about just donating)
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No. Firstly, Hannity brags enough about charity that I'm sure it's out there, but, secondly, that is immaterial to the fact that he has no credibility when launching accusations, because he has shown himself to be a dishonest hack in precisely that area.
 
Has anybody published the allegedly offensive emails? What do they say?
 
cpwill said:
It was. :) You can even look it up. ;)



:shrug: as I stated: he might be. I just don't trust a non -credible source who calls Wolf on precisely this issue as it's major fundraising mechanism to accurately or truthfully identify such, and so their accusation is meaningless.
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That isnt its main fundraising mechanism. You have yet to show even the majority of their claims to be crying wolf. You divert the discussion to the SPLC which maintains vastly more credibility even in the south than breitbart. They are essentially doing what the federal government and republicans refuse to do, track hate groups that pose a threat to people, even groups like nation of islam.

https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/1018_final_financial_statement_short.pdf

Lemme know when Hannity or Breitbart provides legal services and community investment services other than just donating.
 
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cpwill said:
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1. I was the first on the forum to identify Trump's fascist tendencies and the proto fascist nature of his message and much of his most ardent base.

2. I haven't defended Miller; nor castigated him. I have simply pointed out that the SPLC is not a credible source for this accusations.

Generally, if y'all were better about to differentiate between "disagrees with me" and "is a fascist", you'd be a lot more credible when you hurled invective.
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Show dont just tell. You obsfuscated and derailed the thread and showed your support for Miller’s policies in this very thread. Your posts in this thread show otherwise. Its cute that you think you represent everyone that disagrees with me.
 
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Trippy Trekker said:
What an affront to my sensibilities that Stephen Miller holds a high profile position in the White House. I shake my head in earnest disdain.
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I also firmly believe he was behind the horrendous family separation policy. Considering the history of his culture it's astonishing he holds so much hatred for others. A true waste of humanity.
 
bongsaway said:
I also firmly believe he was behind the horrendous family separation policy. Considering the history of his culture it's astonishing he holds so much hatred for others. A true waste of humanity.
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Its pretty much a known fact that he is and his earlier writings just confirm the SPLC to be correct. This sort of hate is all about power.
 
bomberfox said:
Show dont just tell. You obsfuscated and derailed the thread and showed your support for Miller’s policies in this very thread. Your posts in this thread show otherwise. Its cute that you think you represent everyone that disagrees with me.
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1. Supporting a policy of actually enforcing immigration law for once is not facism, nor is it white supremacist.

2. If your response to that is too call something those things anyway, well, the only credibility you're ultimately damaging is your own.

3. I led off - again - by acknowledging that Miller may indeed be those things. I haven't seen the evidence for it, but it's hardly as if picking such a person would be beyond this administration.

4. People who get items #1 and #2 wrong, however, aren't reliable determiners of #3. :shrug: Even Alex Jones may stumble across something once in a while - that doesn't mean anything he says should be taken seriously, ever.
 
SheWolf said:
Cp has argued that Antifa is a justifiable slur, but that white suptemacists and neo nazis should should be treated as individuals, and the crimes of white supremacists shouldn’t reflect on them all as a whole because that’s prejudice.
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of course. such circular logic is foundational to the bigots world view.
 
cpwill said:
1. Supporting a policy of actually enforcing immigration law for once is not facism, nor is it white supremacist.

2. If your response to that is too call something those things anyway, well, the only credibility you're ultimately damaging is your own.

3. I led off - again - by acknowledging that Miller may indeed be those things. I haven't seen the evidence for it, but it's hardly as if picking such a person would be beyond this administration.

4. People who get items #1 and #2 wrong, however, aren't reliable determiners of #3. :shrug: Even Alex Jones may stumble across something once in a while - that doesn't mean anything he says should be taken seriously, ever.
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Enforcing cruel doctrines of mandatory child separation as a deterrent as the Trump administration admitted is not even remotely the only option and deportations were at all time highs under Obama so just quit while you are ahead. You have not demonstrated that the vast majority of SPLC claims are invalid yet you need to lie about that part. You make claims you refuse to substantiate all the time. You always kiss up to Trump and his best enabler, McConnel. If the shoe fits
 
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bomberfox said:
That isnt its main fundraising mechanism.
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Claiming to be standing against Big Scary Racism is exactly their main fundraising mechanism.

You have yet to show even the majority of their claims to be crying wolf.
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I haven't made any claims about the majority of their claims being one or the other. I have pointed out that they issue ridiculous ones, specifically that they tend to define "racist" as a synonym with "disagrees with the left".

You divert the discussion to the SPLC
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The OP was an article merely quoting to he SPLC. This is hardly a diversion - it's there OP.

which maintains vastly more credibility even in the south than breitbart.
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[emoji38] "It tells me things I like to hear" =\= "Is credible"

They are essentially doing what the federal government and republicans refuse to do, track hate groups that pose a threat to people, even groups like nation of islam.
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Yeah. And the Family Research Council and Ben Carson :roll:

Lemme know when Hannity or Breitbart provides legal services and community investment services other than just donating.
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Lemme know when that becomes relevant to whether or not they are credible when they claim that anyone who becomes politically inconvenient to Trump is a member of the Deep State Conspiracy.

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cpwill said:
Claiming to be standing against Big Scary Racism is exactly their main fundraising mechanism.



I haven't made any claims about the majority of their claims being one or the other. I have pointed out that they issue ridiculous ones, specifically that they tend to define "racist" as a synonym with "disagrees with the left".



The OP was an article merely quoting to he SPLC. This is hardly a diversion - it's there OP.



[emoji38] "It tells me things I like to hear" =\= "Is credible"



Yeah. And the Family Research Council and Ben Carson :roll:



Lemme know when that becomes relevant to whether or not they are credible when they claim that anyone who becomes politically inconvenient to Trump is a member of the Deep State Conspiracy.

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Its a lot more than just claims and hate watch is just one of the things they do. Dont like it? Tough. You have yet to demonstrate their lack of credibility especially on an article they are correct on. They work on causes that people you dont like support therefore they are not credible. I could just as well assume that is your motivation with the same amount of evidence you have provided. Are ya gonna focus on irrelevant red herrings again?
 
bomberfox said:
Enforcing cruel doctrines of mandatory child separation as a deterrent as the Trump administration admitted is not even remotely the only option and deportations were at all time highs under Obama so just quit while you are ahead. You have not demonstrated that the vast majority of SPLC claims are invalid yet you need to lie about that part.
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I have not claimed that the vast majority of SPLC claims are invalid. Perhaps if you are going to accuse others of lying, being truthful or accurate yourself would be a good first step.

You make claims you refuse to substantiate all the time. You always kiss up to Trump and his best enabler, McConnel. If the shoe fits
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:roll: I've been calling for Trump to be impeached for months now. But sure, whatever you need to tell yourself.

You know, this accusation would prompt more worry if Trump fans weren't regularly accusing me of being animated by animus to the man (agreeably mostly on Facebook, these days; I've pulled back from here a lot) Maybe y'all should all collectively consider that not everyone is interested in Tribalism as a defining political principle.

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bomberfox said:
Its a lot more than just claims and hate watch is just one of the things they do. Dont like it? Tough. You have yet to demonstrate their lack of credibility especially on an article they are correct on. They work on causes that people you dont like support therefore they are not credible. I could just as well assume that is your motivation with the same amount of evidence you have provided. Are ya gonna focus on irrelevant red herrings again?
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No. They make accusations that are ridiculous, hyperbolic, and designed to appeal to Tribalism by lying about those they disagree with, and their accusations are therefore not credible in and of themselves.
 
cpwill said:
I have pointed out that they issue ridiculous ones, specifically that they tend to define "racist" as a synonym with "disagrees with the left".
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Cool story. What is your proof?
 
cpwill said:
I have not claimed that the vast majority of SPLC claims are invalid. Perhaps if you are going to accuse others of lying, being truthful or accurate yourself would be a good first step.



:roll: I've been calling for Trump to be impeached for months now. But sure, whatever you need to tell yourself.

You know, this accusation would prompt more worry if Trump fans weren't regularly accusing me of being animated by animus to the man (agreeably mostly on Facebook, these days; I've pulled back from here a lot) Maybe y'all should all collectively consider that not everyone is interested in Tribalism as a defining political principle.

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Comparing the SPLC to Alex Jones is absolutely saying the majority of their claims are wrong especially when you say even Alex Jones may stumble across something. Who do you think you are fooling? You would be more credible is you referenced what can be verified on this site instead of twitter.
 
SheWolf said:
Cool story. What is your proof?
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You like to use yourself as an example in discussions around this. Compare your beliefs to Maajid Nawaz, and then ask whether or not you count as an anti-Islamic extremist.
 
bomberfox said:
Comparing the SPLC to Alex Jones is absolutely saying the majority of their claims are wrong especially when you say even Alex Jones may stumble across something. Who do you think you are fooling? You would be more credible is you referenced what can be verified on this site instead of twitter.
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I'm guessing that "reading comprehension" is taking a back seat to "finding reasons to be offended"? :roll:

Let me know when you either find the post where I claimed a vast majority of the SPLC's claims were false, or when you are willing to apologize for lying about what I have said while accusing me of lying.

But I won't hold my breath on either :roll:
 
cpwill said:
I'm guessing that "reading comprehension" is taking a back seat to "finding reasons to be offended"? :roll:

Let me know when you either find the post where I claimed a vast majority of the SPLC's claims were false, or when you are willing to apologize for lying about what I have said while accusing me of lying.

But I won't hold my breath on either :roll:
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If you dont know why comparing the SPLC to Alex Jones isnt implying such i cant help you. Correcting a conservative =\= being a snowflake
 
bomberfox said:
Oh look getting something wrong then correcting it is totally like Breitbart guys! SPLC statement regarding Maajid Nawaz and the Quilliam Foundation | Southern Poverty Law Center
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Yup. Turns out when someone you slander threatens the money, to the tune of several million dollars in a defamation lawsuit, SPLC suddenly realizes that, golly gee, in your particular instance, maybe our strategy of calling anyone we disagree with a bigot wasnt the best idea, and they backpedal quick and hard :D
 
bomberfox said:
If you dont know why comparing the SPLC to Alex Jones isnt implying such i cant help you. Correcting a conservative =\= being a snowflake
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If you are intent on acting like an offended child, no one can help you. No one was saying the SPLC was an equivalent of Alex Jones :roll:
 
cpwill said:
Yup. Turns out when someone you slander threatens the money, to the tune of several million dollars in a defamation lawsuit, SPLC suddenly realizes that, golly gee, in your particular instance, maybe our strategy of calling anyone we disagree with a bigot wasnt the best idea, and they backpedal quick and hard :D
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Everyone they disagree with isnt one person... you do realize that right? You could not even prove such with even the amount of evidence you are demanding from me. Journalists correct things they get wrong.
 
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cpwill said:
If you are intent on acting like an offended child, no one can help you. No one was saying the SPLC was an equivalent of Alex Jones :roll:
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You compared them to Alex Jones, Breitbart and Hannity. Its not hard to see. You even say they call everyone they disagree with a racist which also implies the same thing. Seems like its you that is easily offended but ya need to put on the alpha male facade. Saying that they have no credibility implies they get the majority of cases wrong
 
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bomberfox said:
Everyone they disagree with isnt one person... you do realize that right?
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:shrug: she likes anecdotes, so I gave her merely one example. Your posting that SPLC was forced to back down on that claim in the face of a threat of a massive defamation suit doesn't really do much other than confirm the point.
 
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