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Leaked stephen miller emails to breitbart directed race, anti-immigrant news coverage

cpwill said:
If you want to try to justify comments you made months ago in another thread, go there and do so, and I will respond appropriately. I'm not going to threadjack this thread so you can complain that cpwill was mean to you.
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You accused me of racism. Own it.
 
Oborosen said:
So people are still peddling this crap about Miller..?

Why, because this junk keeps running, but no one worth their salt is actually buying it.
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This goes back as early as his high school years. So glad you knee jerk so much you defend white supremacists.
 
cpwill said:
This seemed credible right up until the moment I realized they were just repeating talking points from the thoroughly-discredited SPLC.

Ironically, these claims are now about as credible as the fervers that come out of Breitbart itself :p
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He hasnt changed since high school where he was a school newspaper writer. The SPLC actually helps people unlike Breitbart.
 
bomberfox said:
He hasnt changed since high school where he was a school newspaper writer. The SPLC actually helps people unlike Breitbart.
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The SPLC tells people in their tribe that the people outside the tribe aren't just incorrect, but evil; they don't care serve honesty, but Tribalism. I see little difference between the function they perform, and the function of the Breitbarts and the Hannity's.
 
CitizenBasehead said:
Are you talking about me? I grew up in the greater LA area and I've been saying this about the local news sense the early 2000's.



He's Jewish and I think he Identifies with his Jewish heritage, he can't be a White supremacist.

If he considers himself to be White, then i'll make the same exception that was made for Emil Maurice.

Emil Maurice - Wikipedia
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Jesse Lee Peterson is black yet repeats white supremacist talking points on a daily basis. We call people something when they ally and with and actively support white supremacists, white supremacists.
 
SheWolf said:
You accused me of racism. Own it.
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I pointed out to you the implications of your own words. Go to that threat to complain about it and stop trying to threadjack this one.
 
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cpwill said:
The SPLC tells people in their tribe that the people outside the tribe aren't just incorrect, but evil; they don't care serve honesty, but Tribalism. I see little difference between the function they perform, and the function of the Breitbarts and the Hannity's.
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Thats like just your opinion man. We have the e-mails and his writing from his high school days. Your arguments are little more than “your just sayin it because you hate god” thought you were going to ignore me.
 
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cpwill said:
I pointed out to you the implications of your own words. Go to that threat to complain about it and stop trying to threadjack this one.

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So am I threat to America? Miller says immigration is a threat to America. You have accused me of anti white racism, and you say Islam doesn’t respect human life. I must culturally be a threat to you.
 
bomberfox said:
Thats like just your opinion man. We have the e-mails and his writing from his high school days. Your arguments are little more than “your just sayin it because you hate god” thought you were going to ignore me.
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Cp has argued that Antifa is a justifiable slur, but that white suptemacists and neo nazis should should be treated as individuals, and the crimes of white supremacists shouldn’t reflect on them all as a whole because that’s prejudice.
 
SheWolf said:
So am I threat to America? Miller says immigration is a threat to America. You have accused me of anti white racism, and you say Islam doesn’t respect human life. I must culturally be a threat to you.
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He doesnt veil his alt-reich sensibilities very well.
 
SheWolf said:
Cp has argued that Antifa is a justifiable slur, but that white suptemacists and neo nazis should should be treated as individuals, and the crimes of white supremacists shouldn’t reflect on them all as a whole because that’s prejudice.
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Heh. You can easily tell an alt reicher by who they defend and how desperately they defend them. At least im open about my support for antifascist action as a concept and practice.
 
bomberfox said:
He doesnt veil his alt-reich sensibilities very well.
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He says he is a never Trumper, and it’s difficult for me to understand why. He buys into a lot of the propaganda, and he views immigration and the multiculturalism it brings as a threat to America. He has also accused me of believing whites deserve public harassment
 
cpwill said:
The SPLC tells people in their tribe that the people outside the tribe aren't just incorrect, but evil; they don't care serve honesty, but Tribalism.
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No, they don't, nor can you demonstrate that they do.
I see little difference between the function they perform, and the function of the Breitbarts and the Hannity's.
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Not even remotely comparable to any rational adult.
 
SheWolf said:
So am I threat to America? Miller says immigration is a threat to America. You have accused me of anti white racism, and you say Islam doesn’t respect human life. I must culturally be a threat to you.
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:sigh:


I know this is difficult to accept, sometimes, but, not everything is about you, SheWolf.

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Tanngrisnir said:
No, they don't, nor can you demonstrate that they do.

Not even remotely comparable to any rational adult.
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I mean hell he would have to show Breitbart or Hannity providing any legal aid or organized aid for the poor themselves (this is not talking about just donating)
 
cpwill said:
:sigh:


I know this is difficult to accept, sometimes, but, not everything is about you, SheWolf.

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I know you don’t respect my feelings, but you’re words still matter. When you accuse me of racism, and then defend Miller’s statements towards immigrants, then it is personal. It’s personal to every immigrant in America. Why are you defending Miller? Do you think immigration is a threat.
 
bomberfox said:
Thats like just your opinion man.
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The SPLC only gets to cry wolf so many times before it become clear what it is :shrug: they decided to stick with their fundraising model - which requires feeding partisan rancor while claiming an ever-growing threat - over truth. It's hardly a unique decision among political action groups that depend on donor funding to prioritize that which ensures donor funding over that which may be politically inconvenient and nuanced.

We have the e-mails and his writing from his high school days. Your arguments are little more than “your just sayin it because you hate god” thought you were going to ignore me.
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No. My argument is "Miller may be a white supremacist, but SPLC is not a credible source for this charge, any more than Breitbart or Hannity would be were they to come out with another Deep State Conspiracy."

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cpwill said:
The SPLC only gets to cry wolf so many times before it become clear what it is :shrug: they decided to stick with their fundraising model - which requires feeding partisan rancor while claiming an ever-growing threat - over truth. It's hardly a unique decision among political action groups that depend on donor funding to prioritize that which ensures donor funding over that which may be politically inconvenient and nuanced.



No. My argument is "Miller may be a white supremacist, but SPLC is not a credible source for this charge, any more than Breitbart or Hannity would be were they to come out with another Deep State Conspiracy."

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Suuure it was. You also provide no backing for your argument but knee jerk dismissal of a fact that is easily corroborated by Miller’s writings.
 
SheWolf said:
I know you don’t respect my feelings, but you’re words still matter. When you accuse me of racism, and then defend Miller’s statements towards immigrants, then it is personal. It’s personal to every immigrant in America. Why are you defending Miller? Do you think immigration is a threat.
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Its what he does quite often. Makes knee jerk arguments then focuses on non sequitors then whines when you dont address the non sequitor.
 
cpwill said:
The SPLC only gets to cry wolf so many times before it become clear what it is :shrug: they decided to stick with their fundraising model - which requires feeding partisan rancor while claiming an ever-growing threat - over truth. It's hardly a unique decision among political action groups that depend on donor funding to prioritize that which ensures donor funding over that which may be politically inconvenient and nuanced.



No. My argument is "Miller may be a white supremacist, but SPLC is not a credible source for this charge, any more than Breitbart or Hannity would be were they to come out with another Deep State Conspiracy."

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Cool story, but do you have any actual facts
 
Despite the reprehensible racist views of his key aides, Trump insists that he doesn't have a racist bone spur in his body.
 
cpwill said:
The SPLC only gets to cry wolf so many times before it become clear what it is :shrug: they decided to stick with their fundraising model - which requires feeding partisan rancor while claiming an ever-growing threat - over truth. It's hardly a unique decision among political action groups that depend on donor funding to prioritize that which ensures donor funding over that which may be politically inconvenient and nuanced.



No. My argument is "Miller may be a white supremacist, but SPLC is not a credible source for this charge, any more than Breitbart or Hannity would be were they to come out with another Deep State Conspiracy."

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When a guy with known toes to white supremacists has bunch of e-mails wncouraging more negative race based coverage of the news....it really doesn't seem like crying wolf.
 
cpwill said:
Yeah. When people who are parents decide to commit crimes, that tends to happen.



If that is how someone is explicitly putting it, I can understand that, and I've seen that argument and come to the same conclusion as you have before.

However, to simply declare that anyone who thanks we need to enforce immigration law believes that is no more intellectually credible than the white nationalists who argue that anyone who supports amnesty is doing so for racist reasons.

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What crimes? The Trump administrations policy is to detain people who enter legal checkpoints with the intent on applying for asylum. There are allegations of children being forcibly medicated with anti psychotic drugs, the US government losing track of kids and creating orphans, overcrowding and unclean cells full of sick unwashed people, and many things that should concern you.

Is this how you want your country treating people asking for asylum?

In the past, most migrants illegally crossing the border came almost entirely from Mexico; however, the current influx now includes greater numbers of women and children fleeing violence, gang recruitment, and sexual trafficking in the Northern Triangle of Central America countries of El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. Rather than illegally crossing into the US, they are presenting themselves at the border hoping to claim asylum, which they were legally entitled to do under certain circumstances.[135][71] The Trump administration claims the family separation policy is directed at those migrants who illegally cross the U.S. border but they have decided to charge everyone crossing the border with illegal entry. They also charge asylum seekers in criminal court rather than waiting to see if they qualify for asylum.[136]
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Trump administration family separation policy - Wikipedia

This isn't a debate about enforcing immigration law or not. Every American I know thinks there should be immigration policy, immigration laws, and boarder enforcement. Saying people are being called a racist for such things, is grasping at straws, and that is not why Miller is being accused of white supremacist views and eugenics.
 
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bomberfox said:
Heh. You can easily tell an alt reicher by who they defend and how desperately they defend them. At least im open about my support for antifascist action as a concept and practice.
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:yawn:

1. I was the first on the forum to identify Trump's fascist tendencies and the proto fascist nature of his message and much of his most ardent base.

2. I haven't defended Miller; nor castigated him. I have simply pointed out that the SPLC is not a credible source for this accusations.

Generally, if y'all were better about to differentiate between "disagrees with me" and "is a fascist", you'd be a lot more credible when you hurled invective.
 
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rocket88 said:
When a guy with known toes to white supremacists has bunch of e-mails wncouraging more negative race based coverage of the news....it really doesn't seem like crying wolf.
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When an organization known to declare that everyone it disagrees with politically is a racist declares that they have emails proving someone they disagree with is a racist, but you don't get to read them, you just need to let us characterize them for you...


Again, I'm not saying he isn't a white supremacist. I just have zero trust in SPLC's credibility to declare it so. :shrug:
 
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