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Leaked stephen miller emails to breitbart directed race, anti-immigrant news coverage

You’re in some kind of a cult...

If you want think that, then do so.

Just so you know however, I'm not the one trying to sell a set of false beliefs. Nor am I losing my head over someone who doesn't believe in my obviously faulty faith.
 
If that's what you want to assume, then by all means go ahead. Though that's more telling of you than me.

Dude you called me a loyalist of a pedophile dont run away like a coward. Own it if you want to be a complete asshole.
 
Dude you called me a loyalist of a pedophile dont run away like a coward. Own it if you want to be a complete asshole.

Yes, I called you a loyalist. That's it, and that can take on many connotations. Just like you calling me either a cultist, comrade, or any other idiotic term that comes to mind.

Don't act so upset, just because I've used your own rules against you.
 
Yes, I called you a loyalist. That's it, and that can take on many connotations. Just like you calling me either a cultist, comrade, or any other idiotic term that comes to mind.

Don't act so upset, just because I've used your own rules against you.

A loyalist to the guy that just so happens to be the biggest pedo on earth. Just own it dude.
 
If you want think that, then do so.

Just so you know however, I'm not the one trying to sell a set of false beliefs. Nor am I losing my head over someone who doesn't believe in my obviously faulty faith.

You’re calling somebody an Epstein loyalist for not sharing your opinions. And that’s how you define everybody else selling a false set of beliefs? Your believes are so far out of the main stream.
 
PLEASE SEE POST #218

“I apologize for the delay in getting back to you. Life suddenly got quite busy.”

I’ve been 3 and 5 mos. late in replying to the point those who quoted me were dropping off the DP list. Nonetheless, thanks for saying so.

“To actually enforce our laws? Well, we already have the infrastructure and manpower in place, and, frankly, could probably use some of the fine-based revenue, so my initial bet would be "not much", however, I would also come down on the side of "within reasonable boundaries, I don't care". Rule of Law is a public good, and a prerequisite for a free, successful, and just society.”

Then, you haven’t bothered to do any research on what would be requisite fact for making an informed decision on the extent to which one would “enforce existing law” that would be cost-effective. For one thing, there’s no proof that enforcing the law, regardless of cost, saves the economy anything. And if you think we have the infrastructure and manpower necessary, you have another think coming. During fiscal 2016, ICE spent $3.2 billion to identify, arrest, detain and remove 240,000 undocumented immigrants, which is $13,333 per. So, you do the math of that with 11,000,000+ undocumented immigrants, plus whatever the additional cost would be for greater infrastructure (detention facilities) and hiring more enforcement, that is something you haven’t figured. In fact, you figured wrongly by saying “…we already have the infrastructure and manpower in place…”.

“This isn't exactly complicated. When demand for a particular item (say, low-skilled labor) remains relatively stable and supply increases, price drops.”

It's too complicated for you to provide the evidence that documented and/or undocumented immigrants have a downward impact on low-skilled, lower level wages.

“Well, I literally gave you one such item within the section that you are quoting, so, maybe I'll let you re-read that”

Well, your “one such” was as oblique as your reply is coy. Be specific as to what and how. What I read of your solution is vague, even reducing immigration w/o saying by how much, exactly. You’re literally vague.

‘maybe. "as it has"? well, sure - it would have grown some other way.’

What is that “some other way”? Any idea? Can’t do the work w/o the labor/technology. Labor supply is by birthrate, immigration, temp work visas, and…and…

“But I'm not certain that raw GDP growth is all that great a measure of whether or not your populace is doing well, independent of other factors”

I totally agree. The widening wealth gap proves that.

“If our GDP and population without the recent immigration waves (making up big round numbers to keep it easy) was 300 million people and GDP of $20 Trillion (GDP per capita of about $66,666), there's an argument to be made that that is a better-off populace than a post-immigration wave populace of 330 million with a GDP of $21 Trillion (GDP per capita of about $63,636).”

The point is, w/o the labor numbers, we could not have possibly had the growth unless technology made up for the difference. There is no evidence technology could have made up and significant difference. Or, can you provide such evidence?

“I'm not staking a flag on this to defend to the death, but, raw GDP growth that results in a lower average standard of living is, shall we say, a heavily mitigated "benefit" at best.”


I would be happy with a 2 - 2.5% GDP where the wealth distribution by tax plan and labor payment (such as living wage being the minimum wage) narrowed the wealth distribution to the benefit of the many, not just the few at the top.

“No, you would have fewer low skilled labor meaning lower skilled labor would be more richly rewarded in the market.”

Again, you have no proof of what you say.

Possibly.”

I would say likely. “Possibly” is so vague because of the realm of “anything is possible”.

“That is correct - those of us who wish U.S. domestic policy would stop punishing our poor are generally in favor of U.S. domestic policy ceasing to punish our poor. Making legal labor increasingly expensive through regulation while mass importing an extra-legal low cost substitute is a tailor-made way to go about pushing the most vulnerable parts of your population into structural unemployment and poverty.”

Except that you can’t prove what you say is the cause, being low-cost immigration depressing wages that would otherwise not occur.
 
1. I apologize for the delay in getting back to you. Life suddenly got quite busy.



To actually enforce our laws? Well, we already have the infrastructure and manpower in place, and, frankly, could probably use some of the fine-based revenue, so my initial bet would be "not much", however, I would also come down on the side of "within reasonable boundaries, I don't care". Rule of Law is a public good, and a prerequisite for a free, successful, and just society.



I didn't say anything about government assistance in the section you quoted, however, the evidence is absolutely there that income for low-skilled Americans has been depressed relative to other categories over the couple of decades in which we also mass-imported lower-cost low-skilled foreigners to compete with them for employment opportunities.

This isn't exactly complicated. When demand for a particular item (say, low-skilled labor) remains relatively stable and supply increases, price drops.

Furthermore, to my point above, if price drops below the legal market floor (the MW), but an extra-legal option is easily and safely available with little to no reasonable chance of negative consequences.... :shrug:



Well, I literally gave you one such item within the section that you are quoting, so, maybe I'll let you re-read that :)



:shrug: maybe. "as it has"? well, sure - it would have grown some other way.

But I'm not certain that raw GDP growth is all that great a measure of whether or not your populace is doing well, independent of other factors.

If our GDP and population without the recent immigration waves (making up big round numbers to keep it easy) was 300 million people and GDP of $20 Trillion (GDP per capita of about $66,666), there's an argument to be made that that is a better-off populace than a post-immigration wave populace of 330 million with a GDP of $21 Trillion (GDP per capita of about $63,636).

I'm not staking a flag on this to defend to the death, but, raw GDP growth that results in a lower average standard of living is, shall we say, a heavily mitigated "benefit" at best.



No, you would have fewer low skilled labor meaning lower skilled labor would be more richly rewarded in the market.



Possibly.



That is correct - those of us who wish U.S. domestic policy would stop punishing our poor are generally in favor of U.S. domestic policy ceasing to punish our poor. Making legal labor increasingly expensive through regulation while mass importing an extra-legal low cost substitute is a tailor-made way to go about pushing the most vulnerable parts of your population into structural unemployment and poverty.



Please see post #256
 
PLEASE SEE POST #218

“I apologize for the delay in getting back to you. Life suddenly got quite busy.”

I’ve been 3 and 5 mos. late in replying to the point those who quoted me were dropping off the DP list. Nonetheless, thanks for saying so.

“To actually enforce our laws? Well, we already have the infrastructure and manpower in place, and, frankly, could probably use some of the fine-based revenue, so my initial bet would be "not much", however, I would also come down on the side of "within reasonable boundaries, I don't care". Rule of Law is a public good, and a prerequisite for a free, successful, and just society.”

Then, you haven’t bothered to do any research on what would be requisite fact for making an informed decision on the extent to which one would “enforce existing law” that would be cost-effective. For one thing, there’s no proof that enforcing the law, regardless of cost, saves the economy anything. And if you think we have the infrastructure and manpower necessary, you have another think coming. During fiscal 2016, ICE spent $3.2 billion to identify, arrest, detain and remove 240,000 undocumented immigrants, which is $13,333 per. So, you do the math of that with 11,000,000+ undocumented immigrants, plus whatever the additional cost would be for greater infrastructure (detention facilities) and hiring more enforcement, that is something you haven’t figured. In fact, you figured wrongly by saying “…we already have the infrastructure and manpower in place…”.

“This isn't exactly complicated. When demand for a particular item (say, low-skilled labor) remains relatively stable and supply increases, price drops.”

It's too complicated for you to provide the evidence that documented and/or undocumented immigrants have a downward impact on low-skilled, lower level wages.

“Well, I literally gave you one such item within the section that you are quoting, so, maybe I'll let you re-read that”

Well, your “one such” was as oblique as your reply is coy. Be specific as to what and how. What I read of your solution is vague, even reducing immigration w/o saying by how much, exactly. You’re literally vague.

‘maybe. "as it has"? well, sure - it would have grown some other way.’

What is that “some other way”? Any idea? Can’t do the work w/o the labor/technology. Labor supply is by birthrate, immigration, temp work visas, and…and…

“But I'm not certain that raw GDP growth is all that great a measure of whether or not your populace is doing well, independent of other factors”

I totally agree. The widening wealth gap proves that.

“If our GDP and population without the recent immigration waves (making up big round numbers to keep it easy) was 300 million people and GDP of $20 Trillion (GDP per capita of about $66,666), there's an argument to be made that that is a better-off populace than a post-immigration wave populace of 330 million with a GDP of $21 Trillion (GDP per capita of about $63,636).”

The point is, w/o the labor numbers, we could not have possibly had the growth unless technology made up for the difference. There is no evidence technology could have made up and significant difference. Or, can you provide such evidence?

“I'm not staking a flag on this to defend to the death, but, raw GDP growth that results in a lower average standard of living is, shall we say, a heavily mitigated "benefit" at best.”


I would be happy with a 2 - 2.5% GDP where the wealth distribution by tax plan and labor payment (such as living wage being the minimum wage) narrowed the wealth distribution to the benefit of the many, not just the few at the top.

“No, you would have fewer low skilled labor meaning lower skilled labor would be more richly rewarded in the market.”

Again, you have no proof of what you say.

Possibly.”

I would say likely. “Possibly” is so vague because of the realm of “anything is possible”.

“That is correct - those of us who wish U.S. domestic policy would stop punishing our poor are generally in favor of U.S. domestic policy ceasing to punish our poor. Making legal labor increasingly expensive through regulation while mass importing an extra-legal low cost substitute is a tailor-made way to go about pushing the most vulnerable parts of your population into structural unemployment and poverty.”

Except that you can’t prove what you say is the cause, being low-cost immigration depressing wages that would otherwise not occur.

Hell there is more evidence ICE is just an organization that traps and terrorizes immigrants. It does nothing for worker wages and everything for those who profit from detention. We survived without ICE and we can continue without it.
 
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Someone is too chicken to own up to their accusation.

You're the only one taking something into a sick area, which only reveals more about yourself, and not the one playing by the rules you so willful indulge in.

Don't act so wounded, because it's only words. If this offends you so much, then you may need a few more years before you're ready to step out into the real world.

That, or you might need to buy a few pads and a helmet. Just in case.
 
He calls himself alt right, and you could read his emails and the full details at the SPLC center website and judge for yourself, but that depends if you will even bother because it’s all from SPLC. It’s honestly disappointing to see you be so flippant and unconcerned about a possible white supremacist making immigration and legal reforms in America, because SPLC.

You keep disparaging SPLC and acting like they are Alex Jones, but have not posted anything proving your opinion. Nobody in this thread has to respect your feelings. Bring some facts

I've never been impressed with the SPLC. The come across to me like leftwing toadies.

Has a Civil Rights Stalwart Lost Its Way? - POLITICO Magazine

While Beirich cites several left-wing organizations the SPLC has designated as “hate groups,” she concedes that the SPLC prioritizes the other end of the political spectrum. “We are focused, whether people like it or not, on the radical right,” she says. “We believe that it’s uniquely threatening to democracy.”
 
You're the only one taking something into a sick area, which only reveals more about yourself, and not the one playing by the rules you so willful indulge in.

Don't act so wounded, because it's only words. If this offends you so much, then you may need a few more years before you're ready to step out into the real world.

That, or you might need to buy a few pads and a helmet. Just in case.

Good to see you chicken out.
 
Good to see you chicken out.

Good to see that you're still crying about me using your own rules against you.

If you don't like it, then don't do it.

I'll leave you to finish your mourning.
 
Good to see that you're still crying about me using your own rules against you.

If you don't like it, then don't do it.

I'll leave you to finish your mourning.

Hey i can own up to my accusations knowing who trump is. You cant :D. Im just asking you to own up to yours instead of dancing around them.
 
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