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    Re: Leaked stephen miller emails to breitbart directed race, anti-immigrant news coverage

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    Ya think?

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    Still need proof

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    Re: Leaked stephen miller emails to breitbart directed race, anti-immigrant news coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    again, if you think cpwill was a big ole meanie because he pointed out to you the implications of your own words, go back to the thread and respond there. This thread is not that one.

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    It’s like you’re trying to gaslight yourself. I never said, anywhere on this website, that minorities should be able to publicly harass white people. The fact like you do things like that, defend neo nazis but say Antifa is a slur, it says a lot about you. It says you’re a white male who feels threatened, and in reality you’re not. In reality, I don’t want to harass you because you’re white either.

    I don’t give a **** about your gaslighting, because I know you’re wrong.

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    Re: Leaked stephen miller emails to breitbart directed race, anti-immigrant news coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Itís like youíre trying to gaslight yourself. I never said, anywhere on this website, that minorities should be able to publicly harass white people. The fact like you do things like that, defend neo nazis but say Antifa is a slur, it says a lot about you. It says youíre a white male who feels threatened, and in reality youíre not. In reality, I donít want to harass you because youíre white either.

    I donít give a **** about your gaslighting, because I know youíre wrong.
    again. if you think cpwill was a big ole meanie for pointing out to you the implications of your own words, go to the thread and talk about it there. Stop trying to threadjack this one.
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    Re: Leaked stephen miller emails to breitbart directed race, anti-immigrant news coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. Marriage. His kids are mixed race.

    2. Evidently, when you do a bit of digging, you don't come up with anything demonstrating that Murray is a racist.

    3. Which also rather goes to confirm the point about Ben Carson and the others. If SPLC was actually highlighting dangerous white nationalists, that evidence would be rather easy to find in their own words, as it is (for example) with Richard Spencer.

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    Advocating for eugenics and furthering eugenics pseudo science is racist. He gave the BIGGEST pseudo intellectual argument the alt-reich could ever wish for. Racism does not just refer to mindset, it refers to what you do and systems of power. Racists are not always honest, in fact they are usually very dishonest.


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    Re: Leaked stephen miller emails to breitbart directed race, anti-immigrant news coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I don't - I simply react to the SPLC's decision to attack Ben Carson, the Family Research Center (where they inspired a shooter to attack!), Masjid Nawaz, Charles Murray, and others as somehow hate filled bigots or the moral equivalent of the Klan
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    Who would want to debate someone with such a ridiculously disparaging view of the SPLC? Certainly not me!

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    I don't like MANY things about Trump. He's an idiot, unwilling to learn and unable to think that he should. He's a constant liar, and he makes others lie or be dishonest for him. He has the emotional maturity of a child, the temperament of an angry drunk, and the viciousness of a schoolyard bully. He's abusive, corrupt, and a danger to the Republic.
    He's a racist in a casual way - I wouldn't say he actively hates other ethnicities, but generally looks down on them. It's in the long, long, list of reasons why he never should have been allowed anywhere near public office.
    Thank you for expressing disdain for Trump! I hope your disdain reflects growing Anti-Trump sentiment among other Conservatives.

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    Advocating for eugenics and furthering eugenics pseudo science is racist. He gave the BIGGEST pseudo intellectual argument the alt-reich could ever wish for. Racism does not just refer to mindset, it refers to what you do and systems of power. Racists are not always honest, in fact they are usually very dishonest.
    Citing criticism of Ben Carson's anti-gay views and Charles Murray's eugenic views as a reason to discredit the SPLC speaks volumes. I tip my hat to your willingness to continue to debate. Better you than me!

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    Re: Leaked stephen miller emails to breitbart directed race, anti-immigrant news coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Trippy Trekker View Post
    Who would want to debate someone with such a ridiculously disparaging view of the SPLC? Certainly not me!



    Thank you for expressing disdain for Trump! I hope your disdain reflects growing Anti-Trump sentiment among other Conservatives.



    Citing criticism of Ben Carson's anti-gay views and Charles Murray's eugenic views as a reason to discredit the SPLC speaks volumes. I tip my hat to your willingness to continue to debate. Better you than me!
    Im not even sure cpwill was even aware of Murray’s advocacy of eugenics but thanks! People think being in a mixed relationship excludes someone from being racist but the history of racism goes further than someone putting on a klan hood and railing about miscegenation.


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    Re: Leaked stephen miller emails to breitbart directed race, anti-immigrant news coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That position is also not racist, though it can plausibly be motivated by it. We have let in massive numbers legally and illegally for decades; we could probably use a breather.

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    So you support a 50% reduction in legal immigration? Or, what figures would you use to define "breather"?

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    Re: Leaked stephen miller emails to breitbart directed race, anti-immigrant news coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by bluesmoke View Post
    So you support a 50% reduction in legal immigration? Or, what figures would you use to define "breather"?
    Hm. I dunno if I'd say that much or what - I'll admit, it's not something I've developed a solid policy position on, other than a couple of basic tenets:

    1. Law needs to actually be enforced, reliably, consistently, and across the board. Those who violate our immigration laws* should be culpable for their actions just as those who violate our employment laws should be.

    2. We have mass imported low skill labor, and then been surprised to find that our lower skilled workers are facing increased competition and downward wage pressure that comes with it. Future immigration policy should focus on importing those with skill sets who are not likely to require assistance for them or their families, just as (for example) Canada does.

    3. Assimilation into American culture needs to be heavily encouraged, and enabled.
    - This isn't just language, but includes it. Allowing children to go through our entire school system speaking a language that isn't spoken by a majority of the country doesn't help them; it severely hinders them.
    - With a large portion of our populace now immigrants, our capacity to do this may be strained, meaning, yes, we may need to limit total numbers going forward below where they have been.**



    *includes visa overstays.

    ** though shifting to a more skills based system could alleviate some of this. It is probably easier for a doctor from India to assimilate into American culture than it is for a tribesman from a rural Pakistani village in the former FATA.
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    Re: Leaked stephen miller emails to breitbart directed race, anti-immigrant news coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by bomberfox View Post
    Advocating for eugenics and furthering eugenics pseudo science is racist.
    And also, in this case, non-existent.

    Hell, the man wrote an entire book the point of which was that the same effects showed up in white populations when you pulled them out as those that he identified as disproportionately harming blacks.

    The Left hates Murray because he was the first to point out in a major way that the welfate state was failing those it purported to help. I've never seen anyone manage to substantiate the "Everyone I Don't Like Is Racist!" charge when leveled against him.
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    Re: Leaked stephen miller emails to breitbart directed race, anti-immigrant news coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Trippy Trekker View Post
    Who would want to debate someone with such a ridiculously disparaging view of the SPLC? Certainly not me!
    Well, Bye.


    Thank you for expressing disdain for Trump! I hope your disdain reflects growing Anti-Trump sentiment among other Conservatives.
    Not sure if you've been paying attention or not, but my position on that man has been pretty consistent since he announced he was running

    Citing criticism of Ben Carson's anti-gay views and Charles Murray's eugenic views as a reason to discredit the SPLC speaks volumes. I tip my hat to your willingness to continue to debate. Better you than me!
    buying lies about Murray and accepting the notion that disagreeing with homosexuality make you the equivalent of the KKK, I would say, in turn, speaks volumes about whether or not I should take at face value someone's claims about anyone else.

    If Literally Everyone On The Right Is Literally Hitler!!!... welp, no one is going to be impressed when someone else is declared to be.

    Why do you people think no one took it seriously when we started warning about Trump's racist and fascist tendencies? It was because that Wolf had been cried at every high profile Republican before, and so, perversely, instead of being a detriment, the accusation came to mean simply that the left doesn't like them, and was possible afraid of them. A history of hyperbolically accusing people of being racists enables actual racists.
    I feel sorry for people like you so principled
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