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Peddling a smokescreen

Again with the familiar talking points.

The problem for Trumpsters is that these “unfounded” accusations have mostly turned out to be true.

Trump did coordinate his campaign with the Russians and his campaign was in regular contact with Russian intelligence and Russians close to Putin.

The Mueller Report is thoroughly documented and accurate, and includes the first hand accounts of many of the people involved.

I have always been amazed that Trumpsters keep making this silly claim. It didn’t survive the first six months of 2017 in terms of accuracy.

Besides, Trump himself has confirmed much of it, with his four part defense, denial, admission, so what?, and what are you going to do about it?.

Amazing.

The Mueller report proved that there was no evidence to support the fantasies of the Democrat-Socialists. He talked to every liar he could find and they all lied and you believe them. Astonishing!

If there was real world evidence in the Mueller Report, it would have been made public and the Democrat-Socialists would have impeached based on that evidence. THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE.

Are you really that far removed from reality? In the real world, the ravings of the Democrat-Socialists are just the ravings of the Democrat-Socialists.

They seem to have difficulty separating fantasy from fact.

In the mean time, the only question you should be wondering about is whether the Dem-Soc nominee will loose as big as McGovern or as big as Mondale.

To help clear up your misunderstanding, the confession of bribery was made by Biden and he said that Obama authorized it.
 
Fake news is the enemy of the people.

But the “fake news” that Trump is talking about has nothing to do with that.

The term originated with the tsunami of fake websites that were pushed through Facebook, instagram and twitter by Russian operatives in order to sow discord in the US, promote partisan division and (eventually), promote the candidacy of Donald Trump.

And Trump’s hard core supporters fell hard for the campaign, retweeting, sharing and posting FSB propoganda pieces on forums like this one.

Russian generated fake news even made it onto some of the right wing trash blogs.

Trump, when confronted with this, inverted the term to mean any reporting that wasn’t fawning praise of him.

This was a delight to his sycophantic base. It also absolved them of having to admit that they had been played for useful idiots.

Can you link to an example of the Fake News that you describe?

Are you asserting that all politicians be held to the same standards that should be applied to journalists?

By definition, politicians deliver a biased and one sided portrayal of every topic. By definition, journalists report what is happening impartially with no bias and no agenda.

Trump is doing what he is supposed to do. The lying a-holes in the narrative driven, biased and one sided media outlets, all following a particular agenda, are doing what politicians are supposed to do.

The difference is that Trump will have placed two more justices on the SCOTUS by 2024. The gleeful media hacks will only have participated in the character assassination of whomever is nominated.
 
Trumps tweet...

"The press is doing everything within their power to fight the magnificence of the phrase, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! They can’t stand the fact that this Administration has done more than virtually any other Administration in its first 2yrs. They are truly the ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!"

The press. Not "fake news".

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1114221533461790721

Sound kind of fascist to you? Does to me.

It's interesting to me that "Make America Great Again" has come to be recognized by the Democrat-Socialist sheep as a racist term.

It's also interesting to me that almost anything can be converted from a regular old word to a racist slur just because the Democrat-Socialists say it should be.

Make America Great Again obviously means to create the conditions in which the everyman that is the run of the mill American can prosper and build a good life for his/her family.

That is what is happening and this is what the Democrat-Socialists are fighting to dismantle.

When the New York Times changes its content due to lynch mob demands, that is fake news. They have thereby stopped REPORTING. They are now only pandering.

Trump, in passing is a politician, not a journalist. Any politician is required by the demands of his job to deliver a biased, one sided presentation of ideas. That's what politicians do. It's like any other sales position.

Journalists are not politicians, but they are currently acting like they are politicians. The Press is not fake news. The press is only the sewer pipe that delivers the fake news.
 
What fake news? EXACTLY. So effectively any news that doesn't go in Trump's favor is fake news. Therefore, "most" of the media is the enemy of the people according to him. And he even attacked Fox News.

The coverage of the Kavanaugh hearings comes to mind. Seems like the FACT that there was not even one credible witness presenting even one credible charge would have come up. Never did.

The coverage of EVERYTHING related to Trump, as presented by the broadcast media, is overwhelmingly negative. Currently, coverage of Trump is 96% negative.

Impeachment Frenzy: TV Networks Blast Trump With 96% Negative News

In the meantime, employment, wage rates, personal wealth, GDP, stock markets, household income and on and on are at all time highs. THIS IS GOOD STUFF!

You'd almost think there was some kind of an agenda that was entirely unrelated to reporting being used to frame a narrative. I wonder...

All of this is going on while Trump is playing with the idiots of the press corp like an evil child using a laser pointer to run a cat into a wall. Thud.

What makes this really funny is watching the dim witted journalists as it dawns on them that they are exposed, even to the least discerning, as the idiots they are.

There is absolutely NOTHING funnier than watching idiots trying to figure something out.


 
By which you mean "they are critical of Donald Trump."

Not in the slightest. Fair reporting is one thing. Ongoing character assassination is not "fair reporting".

We are living in a country in which employment, household income, personal wealth, wage rates, GDP, stock markets and on and on are all at all time highs. The highest ever EVER!

While this is going on, 96% of the news on the nightly news shows from the broadcast media is negative. Seems like the coverage should be closer to 50-50. Even 60-40 would be an improvement.

Obama delivered worse results in his first term and his coverage was 60% positive. What's the difference here?

Seems like this would me make even the most ardently indoctrinated question the editorial practices of the media.

How indoctrinated are you?
 
So..... Where did that headline and image actually come from? Neither is in the link you posted.

Oh, and what is the GOP pushing that isn’t a distortion or a distraction?

There’s no sign that they’re making a fact based argument.

And they’ve all but given up on the notion that Trump is competent, respected, reliable, or honest.
Of course that's what the GOP is doing, because there is no legitimate defense for what Trump did and admitted to doing.

Frank Bruni puts it plainly in, Trump’s Contempt for True Professionals.
That story is the collision of a president who has absolutely no regard for professionalism and those who try to embody it, the battle between an arrogant, unscrupulous yahoo and his humble, principled opposites.
...
Stephanie Grisham, the White House’s peerlessly nasty press secretary, has sought to discredit Taylor’s account of the pressure on Ukraine’s new president by saying that he belonged to a cabal of “radical unelected bureaucrats.”
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Thus, the Trump defenders are left attacking true patriots, professionals and experts who cannot stand by and watch this president debase the constitution and democracy.
 
Of course that's what the GOP is doing, because there is no legitimate defense for what Trump did and admitted to doing.

Frank Bruni puts it plainly in, Trump’s Contempt for True Professionals.
Thus, the Trump defenders are left attacking true patriots, professionals and experts who cannot stand by and watch this president debase the constitution and democracy.

Trump does have a deep and apparantly abiding resentment of people who know what they are doing.

I suspect that it’s because throughout his career, he has consistenty been held to account by professionals.

From attorneys who had to explain why he needs to pay out a settlement, agree to a loan restucturing after one of his many defaults, or reverse a reckless decision made on a whim after watching Sean Hannity.

He hates being told he’s wrong.

He is a five year old. A spoiled pampered little rich kid.
 
Trump does have a deep and apparantly abiding resentment of people who know what they are doing.

I suspect that it’s because throughout his career, he has consistenty been held to account by professionals.

From attorneys who had to explain why he needs to pay out a settlement, agree to a loan restucturing after one of his many defaults, or reverse a reckless decision made on a whim after watching Sean Hannity.

He hates being told he’s wrong.

He is a five year old. A spoiled pampered little rich kid.
All of that is true. It's also why he passionately hates regulations -- they've always kept him from doing what he wants -- whether regs that prevent him from demolishing a landmarked building or zoning restrictions.

But getting back to the topic, while the OP is attempting to undercut the media who is pointing out that the GOP is creating a smoke screen, that's exactly what they are doing, in there ever morphing arguments: The whistleblower can't be trusted because the knowledge isn't first hand. Then, there was corroboration from those who had firsthand knowledge.
Then, the argument shifts into 'those witnesses are never-trumpers' or that the witness can't be trusted because he was Ukrainian -- even though he's been living in America since he was 3 and is a purple star, highly decorated military officer.

The deflections are endless for the obvious reason: Trump's acts (bribery, extortion, abuse of power, obstruction of Congress, etc.) are indefensible. Had Obama done anything like that, the same GOP enablers would be calling for his impeachment and execution.
 
It's interesting to me that "Make America Great Again" has come to be recognized by the Democrat-Socialist sheep as a racist term.

It's also interesting to me that almost anything can be converted from a regular old word to a racist slur just because the Democrat-Socialists say it should be.

Make America Great Again obviously means to create the conditions in which the everyman that is the run of the mill American can prosper and build a good life for his/her family.

That is what is happening and this is what the Democrat-Socialists are fighting to dismantle.

When the New York Times changes its content due to lynch mob demands, that is fake news. They have thereby stopped REPORTING. They are now only pandering.

Trump, in passing is a politician, not a journalist. Any politician is required by the demands of his job to deliver a biased, one sided presentation of ideas. That's what politicians do. It's like any other sales position.

Journalists are not politicians, but they are currently acting like they are politicians. The Press is not fake news. The press is only the sewer pipe that delivers the fake news.

I said fascist, not racist and I was referring to calling the free press the 'enemy of the people'. That's right out of the fascist playbook and people like you who support that kind of divisive, inflammatory rhetoric are enemies of the Republic.
Make no mistake, this isn't fun and games. It's seriously dangerous and if your country slides much further down that slope you might not be able to come back. Already your father's father wouldn't recognize what America has become.
 
The coverage of the Kavanaugh hearings comes to mind. Seems like the FACT that there was not even one credible witness presenting even one credible charge would have come up. Never did.

The coverage of EVERYTHING related to Trump, as presented by the broadcast media, is overwhelmingly negative. Currently, coverage of Trump is 96% negative.

Impeachment Frenzy: TV Networks Blast Trump With 96% Negative News

In the meantime, employment, wage rates, personal wealth, GDP, stock markets, household income and on and on are at all time highs. THIS IS GOOD STUFF!

You'd almost think there was some kind of an agenda that was entirely unrelated to reporting being used to frame a narrative. I wonder...

All of this is going on while Trump is playing with the idiots of the press corp like an evil child using a laser pointer to run a cat into a wall. Thud.

What makes this really funny is watching the dim witted journalists as it dawns on them that they are exposed, even to the least discerning, as the idiots they are.

There is absolutely NOTHING funnier than watching idiots trying to figure something out.



Jesus H. Christ. All that idolizing the Orange One and not one single thing addressing my point.
 
I said fascist, not racist and I was referring to calling the free press the 'enemy of the people'. That's right out of the fascist playbook and people like you who support that kind of divisive, inflammatory rhetoric are enemies of the Republic.
Make no mistake, this isn't fun and games. It's seriously dangerous and if your country slides much further down that slope you might not be able to come back. Already your father's father wouldn't recognize what America has become.

With respect, political discourse is encouraged by those who espose more conservative ideas.

Almost without exception, the people attempting to silence free speech and limit the free exchange of ideas in America are Leftists.

Are you really not aware of this?
 
Jesus H. Christ. All that idolizing the Orange One and not one single thing addressing my point.

I'm sorry. I offered examples of fake news.

If you didn't want examples of fake news, why did you ask for examples of fake news?

Was there something that you wanted that you omitted from your request?
 
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This is what we should expect of a neutral and fair "news" source. Rather than report on what the republicans are doing to counter the democrats and letting the reader decide whether it's a smokescreen or whether it constitutes "peddling", our fair and neutral "news" source here is telling the reader what to think of the republicans.

Sounds like something the democrats would characterize the republicans as doing: 'peddling a smokescreen'.

What business does a fair and neutral "news" source have in taking the democrat side?

Ah - then this "news" source is no longer fair and neutral? I wonder if CNN would ever characterize the democrats as "peddling" the impeachment process?

Avowed Trump-hating, impeachment-pushing, Obama-worshipping, whistleblower-defending democrat snake lawyer Mark Zaid said in July 2017, "I predict CNN will play a key role in Donald Trump not finishing out his full term as president."
 
I'm sorry. I offered examples of fake news.

If you didn't want examples of fake news, why did you ask for examples of fake news?

Was there something that you wanted that you omitted from your request?

Nope you didn't offer fake news. Sorry. All you did was idolizing Trump.
 
Meh. Trump has been calling them "the enemy of the people" since before his election, so screw him. If I were in the media, I'd be doing worse than this.

I'm sure there'd no end to the inaccuracies in your reporting.
 
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This is what we should expect of a neutral and fair "news" source. Rather than report on what the republicans are doing to counter the democrats and letting the reader decide whether it's a smokescreen or whether it constitutes "peddling", our fair and neutral "news" source here is telling the reader what to think of the republicans.

Sounds like something the democrats would characterize the republicans as doing: 'peddling a smokescreen'.

What business does a fair and neutral "news" source have in taking the democrat side?

Ah - then this "news" source is no longer fair and neutral? I wonder if CNN would ever characterize the democrats as "peddling" the impeachment process?

See that black box in the corner of the picture that says "Analysis"?

It's not a "news" story - it's an OpEd.
 
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This is what we should expect of a neutral and fair "news" source. Rather than report on what the republicans are doing to counter the democrats and letting the reader decide whether it's a smokescreen or whether it constitutes "peddling", our fair and neutral "news" source here is telling the reader what to think of the republicans.

Sounds like something the democrats would characterize the republicans as doing: 'peddling a smokescreen'.

What business does a fair and neutral "news" source have in taking the democrat side?

Ah - then this "news" source is no longer fair and neutral? I wonder if CNN would ever characterize the democrats as "peddling" the impeachment process?

The mainstream media has not been fair and neutral for decades, assuming it ever was.

At least since the days of Operation Mockingbird, the mainstream media is merely a propaganda outlet for Deep State and special interests.
 
With respect, political discourse is encouraged by those who espose more conservative ideas.

Almost without exception, the people attempting to silence free speech and limit the free exchange of ideas in America are Leftists.

Are you really not aware of this?

I'm talking about calling the free press the enemy of the people. That kind of inflammatory rhetoric just increases the division in American society that's already alarming. If he convinces enough people, as he seems to have convinced you, that free press is an enemy of the people he'll have no trouble selling the idea that the freedom of the press is being abused and needs to be limited.
What do you think of that? If the press is the enemy of the people, what should be done about it? Wanna bet I can guess what Trump thinks should be done about it?
As for leftists and free speech, there's a lunatic fringe on both sides. If the extreme left wants to limit free speech, there's a whole list of freedoms the extreme right wants to limit. When conservatives get comfortable in power they will always try to roll back rights and freedoms that liberals fought hard to win. One example that's been in the news lately is a woman's right to safe abortion. What's next, gay marriage? Drug law reform? When liberals get power they toss out bad laws put in place by conservatives. Conservatives who brag about being for limited government while they give the government jurisdiction in the lives of citizens that no government should ever have.
 
First of all, Donald Trump is not on trial yet. Although he will be.

Im not convinced she has the votes or she will call the vote even if she did. Once the senate gets control of the proceedings the repunlicans will be able to have their say and it wont be pretty for the democrats.

I dont think they are dumb enough to impeach




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I'm talking about calling the free press the enemy of the people. That kind of inflammatory rhetoric just increases the division in American society that's already alarming. If he convinces enough people, as he seems to have convinced you, that free press is an enemy of the people he'll have no trouble selling the idea that the freedom of the press is being abused and needs to be limited.
What do you think of that? If the press is the enemy of the people, what should be done about it? Wanna bet I can guess what Trump thinks should be done about it?
As for leftists and free speech, there's a lunatic fringe on both sides. If the extreme left wants to limit free speech, there's a whole list of freedoms the extreme right wants to limit. When conservatives get comfortable in power they will always try to roll back rights and freedoms that liberals fought hard to win. One example that's been in the news lately is a woman's right to safe abortion. What's next, gay marriage? Drug law reform? When liberals get power they toss out bad laws put in place by conservatives. Conservatives who brag about being for limited government while they give the government jurisdiction in the lives of citizens that no government should ever have.

The free press is an idea. This idea is either embraced or rejected by the people who are employed by our media operations.

At the time of the ratification of the Constitution, "the press" was accorded the protection against the government making laws abridging its freedom. The term "free press" does not appear in the First Amendment.

The protection of the "the press" was not important enough to be listed either first or second. It was third in line.

The first amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press;
or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and
to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[3]"

All of that said, the press at the time was a collection of lying, interest-driven, biased propagandists peddling completely one-sided narratives of events intended to inflame, not inform.

So, in practice, the press being protected today is exactly the same press that was practicing and being protected in 1789. 230 years and there's no improvement in the honesty of the "Free Press".

That's just gotta impress you! 230 years without any measurable improvement seems to me to be almost impossible, but, there it is.

Trump is not passing laws or issuing EO's to diminish or guide the actions of "The Press". his only action is to expose what they are actually doing and shining a very bright light on it.

Much in the way that "The Press" has a protected right to publish their version of what they publish, Trump has the right say what he says. His right to speak is the number two protected right in the First Amendment.

So, we have come back exactly to the point I made to which you responded. It is Leftists who are trying to end the free exchange of ideas. You wish to silence Trump.

Trump is not only encouraging the free exchange of ideas- he's participating. In passing, his participation is ongoing, constant and very effective.

The difference between Trump and "The Press" is this: Trump is a politician and is expected to present a one-sided view of the world. "The Press" is expected to present a fair and accurate view of the world.

Trump's doing exactly what he's supposed to do. "The Press", claiming to be journalists, are actually a collection of lying, interest-driven, biased propagandists peddling completely one-sided narratives of events intended to inflame, not inform.
 
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