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ABC News Amy Robach caught on hot mic complaining that ABC spiked Epstein-Clinton story in 2016

madman said:
Dont give us that "independent" BS. Again, when someone claims that they are "independent" that is their code sign for "hey! im really a conservative, I just dont like the stench of the label."

Sorry, you're in the same basket with the other deplorables.
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I don't even know what 'independent' means in the context of ideology. The Dems are largely a centrist party, the Republicans are a far-right party. What's in-between centrist and far-right? John Kasich?
 
So, apparently ABC got right to the bottom of all this -- not determining why the Epstein story was quashed, but determining which of its employees leaked the footage of Robach. They determined the employee now works for CBS news:

Scoop: ABC News/Epstein

Then, apparently, CBS fired him/her.

Yashar Ali �� on Twitter: "5. Update: Two sources familiar with the matter tell me that CBS News has fired the staffer in question. This comes after ABC informed CBS that they had determined who accessed the footage of Amy Robach expressing her frustrations about the Epstein story.
https://t.co/OHEoyahppY"

Blow a whistle against a viscerally hated President, and you're a hero who must be protected at all costs. Blow a whistle against the media quashing a story about a pedophile who runs a rape island, and you're ****ed.

THIS will REALLY inspire journalists to speak truth to power.
 
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Dans La Lune said:
Yeah, and the notion that CNN is a liberal news outlet is pretty amusing.
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Come on, man .... CNN is one of the most liberal outlets on the planet. Along with MSNBC. There's nothing wrong with that. Just own it. Years ago the press was proud of it's bias, and didn't try to hide it. Papers like the Plains Democrat, the Conservative Review.... then J-schools taught students that they should all appear to be "objective". No one is ever "objective". No news outlet is ever objective. Just come out and say so. FOX news says "Fair and Balanced". Baloney. Just admit their bias and go with it. But for someone to insist that CNN is "objective" is laughable.
 
Mustachio said:
Your first response was playing politics with this.
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Absolutely not.

Many think (and for good reason) that Clinton's involvement with the man and his activities is precisely the reason that ABC and other mainstream LIBERAL media outlets chose to pass on reporting the story for so long. In ABC's case, the prevailing belief is that ABC spiked the story because of the negative impact it would have had on Hillary's presidential run.

If you have another theory as to why ABC News didn't air that interview, then I'm all ears. And please, don't bother with the "It didn't meet journalistic standards" bunk the network put out, because there are dozens of examples that blow that line of bull totally out of the water.
 
eman623 said:
Are we talking about the same ABC that put Julie Swetnik and her slimeball now-imprisoned lawyer Michael Avenatti on the air multiple times to repeat her ludicrous and never even remotely corroborated accusation of gang-rape by Brett Kavanaugh?

ABC pulling the Epstein story had nothing to do with corroboration. It was about ABC worried they'd never get an interview with Megan Markle after they accused Prince Andrew of being a child-rapist. Or maybe it was George Stephanopolis protecting his former boss Bill Clinton, whose reelection campaign he managed.
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And there are plenty of others...

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Waddy said:
Come on, man .... CNN is one of the most liberal outlets on the planet. Along with MSNBC. There's nothing wrong with that. Just own it. Years ago the press was proud of it's bias, and didn't try to hide it. Papers like the Plains Democrat, the Conservative Review.... then J-schools taught students that they should all appear to be "objective". No one is ever "objective". No news outlet is ever objective. Just come out and say so. FOX news says "Fair and Balanced". Baloney. Just admit their bias and go with it. But for someone to insist that CNN is "objective" is laughable.
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I agree that they are not objective, but they generally hate progressives, and have traditionally been a right-leaning or 'corporate centrist' news organization. They carried the torch for the Iraq Invasion, and about half of Fox News' current or recent line-up comes from CNN. Most of their anchors and commentators are centrist or right-leaning.

I find it amusing that anyone would try to paint CNN as a liberal news outlet, much less try to school me on their true political leanings. If you want to go over their history, both past and recent, in detail -- I can oblige.
 
Dans La Lune said:
I agree that they are not objective, but they generally hate progressives, and have traditionally been a right-leaning or 'corporate centrist' news organization. They carried the torch for the Iraq Invasion, and about half of Fox News' current or recent line-up comes from CNN. Most of their anchors and commentators are centrist or right-leaning.

I find it amusing that anyone would try to paint CNN as a liberal news outlet, much less try to school me on their true political leanings. If you want to go over their history, both past and recent, in detail -- I can oblige.
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If it were "progressive," it wouldn't be "liberal," because "progressives" and anyone to left of "progressives" aren't liberals.
 
Dans La Lune said:
I agree that they are not objective, but they generally hate progressives, and have traditionally been a right-leaning or 'corporate centrist' news organization. They carried the torch for the Iraq Invasion, and about half of Fox News' current or recent line-up comes from CNN. Most of their anchors and commentators are centrist or right-leaning.

I find it amusing that anyone would try to paint CNN as a liberal news outlet, much less try to school me on their true political leanings. If you want to go over their history, both past and recent, in detail -- I can oblige.
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Years ago they were more centrist, and their higher ratings reflected that. But gradually they have become MSNBC lite....and their disastrous ratings reflect that new reality. They went through the same metamorphosis that ESPN went through, from straight news to leftist. ESPN has paid a price as well in their ratings drop. You can't alienate half your audience without tanking your ratings. Don't take my word for it; look at the ratings. Ratings will tell you how "centrist" you are in the news business, even most things.
 
Harshaw said:
If it were "progressive," it wouldn't be "liberal," because "progressives" and anyone to left of "progressives" aren't liberals.
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They aren't liberal or progressive so it doesn't matter. I mean, look at CNN's line-up.

S.E. Cupp
Smerconish
Jake Tapper
Wolf Blitzer
Kate Baldwin
Erin Burnett
Dana Bash
John King

I think the most liberal guy they have on is Van Jones, who is friends with Kushner and slobbers over Buttigieg.

Show me the overwhelming liberal bias.
 
Dans La Lune said:
They aren't liberal or progressive so it doesn't matter. I mean, look at CNN's line-up.

S.E. Cupp
Smerconish
Jake Tapper
Wolf Blitzer
Kate Baldwin
Erin Burnett
Dana Bash
John King

I think the most liberal guy they have on is Van Jones, who is friends with Kushner and slobbers over Buttigieg.

Show me the overwhelming liberal bias.
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Most of them consider themselves "progressives." You obviously say they're not. Explain in detail what makes you right about them, and them wrong about themselves.
 
I forgot to mention Fareed Zakaria, a guy who worships Reagan, who supported the Iraq War, and spends most of his segments lecturing the left on why their ideas are wrong. Wow, so liberal.
 
Harshaw said:
Most of them consider themselves "progressives." You obviously say they're not. Explain in detail what makes you right about them, and them wrong about themselves.
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Hillary Clinton and Amy Klobuchar also consider themselves progressive. Jimmy Dore considers himself progressive. Define 'progressive' in a way that encompasses both Hillary Clinton and Jimmy Dore. Go ahead, then I'll proceed with the detailed explanation.
 
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Dans La Lune said:
Hillary Clinton and Amy Klobuchar also consider themselves progress. Jimmy Dore considers himself progressive. Define 'progressive' in a way that encompasses both Hillary Clinton and Jimmy Dore. Go ahead, then I'll proceed with the detailed explanation.
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No, it's up to you to support your case that the people you mentioned aren't "progressives," though they consider themselves to be, so the burden of definition is all yours. Don't deflect.
 
Harshaw said:
No, it's up to you to support your case that the people you mentioned aren't "progressives," though they consider themselves to be, so the burden of definition is all yours. Don't deflect.
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I will support my claim when we both agree on what the term 'progressive' means. Otherwise, what's the point? If both Jimmy Dore and Hillary have an equal claim, anything I say is irrelevant. So go ahead.
 
Dans La Lune said:
I will support my claim when we both agree on what the term 'progressive' means.
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Stop avoiding the question and answer it. We don't need to "agree" on a definition of "progressive." You just need to explain yourself. Why are they not "progressives"?
 
Harshaw said:
Stop avoiding the question and answer it. We don't need to "agree" on a definition of "progressive." You just need to explain yourself. Why are they not "progressives"?
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Okay, fine. I'll play. Because before I explain why they're not progressive, I need to make sure that I'm actually disproving something that has been claimed in the first place. That's fair, right? I don't need proof of all of them, or even most of them. Give me two of them. Any two. Hell, give me one claim of progressive ideology.

Thanks!
 
Dans La Lune said:
Okay, fine. I'll play. Because before I explain why they're not progressive, I need to make sure that I'm actually disproving something that has been claimed in the first place. That's fair, right? I don't need proof of all of them, or even most of them. Give me two of them. Any two. Hell, give me one claim of progressive ideology.

Thanks!
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Dude.

Just explain why they're not "progressive." I'll grant you this: S E Cupp isn't.
 
Harshaw said:
Dude.

Just explain why they're not "progressive." I'll grant you this: S E Cupp isn't.
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Okay, but I never claimed they WERE progressive. You did. You're asking me to disprove what you claimed.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Okay, but I never claimed they WERE progressive. You did. You're asking me to disprove what you claimed.
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You're doing everything you can to avoid trying to show they're not.

It's your claim that they're not. If you don't want to stand behind it, that's fine.
 
Harshaw said:
You're doing everything you can to avoid trying to show they're not.

It's your claim that they're not. If you don't want to stand behind it, that's fine.
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No, it's your claim that they are. Disproving a claim that YOU made requires work. You are effectively giving me a job to do on your behalf. You have no responsibility other than sending me on a wild goose chase.

I can give you a quick run down on some of them:

Fareed Zakaria - Generally a Reagan-type in ideology, believes in the faux-meritocracy, supported the Iraq War, frequently lectures the left on why their ideas are wrong.

Erin Burnett - Works for a neoliberal and neoconservative think tank, disparraged and mocked the Occupy Wall Street movement

Christine Romans - Lou Dobbs protege who helped spread his racist conspiracies while on CNN. Why is she still employed?

Dana Bash - Celebrates moderates, calls moderates the 'badasses of congress', credits the impeachment movement to moderates

Smerconish - Admits to being a Bush era moderate independent, promotes libertarian candidates and centrism

Jake Tapper - Has tweeted the 'Millennial Socialists' are coming; considers himself a moderate independent

Wolf Blitzer - Before he was a journalist, he promoted anti-Palestinian, right-wing Israeli talking points

Cuomo - Centrist / Moderate, thinks the Democrats have a leftist problem; thinks that Bernie is extreme.

Now that I've done this much work, you don't really have to do anything, right? That's why I don't like getting sucked into these phony challenges without the challenger putting skin in the game.
 
Dans La Lune said:
No, it's your claim that they are. Disproving a claim that YOU made requires work. You are effectively giving me a job to do on your behalf. You have no responsibility other than sending me on a wild goose chase.

I can give you a quick run down on some of them:

Fareed Zakaria - Generally a Reagan-type in ideology, believes in the faux-meritocracy, supported the Iraq War, frequently lectures the left on why their ideas are wrong.

Erin Burnett - Works for a neoliberal and neoconservative think tank, disparraged and mocked the Occupy Wall Street movement

Christine Romans - Lou Dobbs protege who helped spread his racist conspiracies while on CNN. Why is she still employed?

Dana Bash - Celebrates moderates, calls moderates the 'badasses of congress', credits the impeachment movement to moderates

Smerconish - Admits to being a Bush era moderate independent, promotes libertarian candidates and centrism

Jake Tapper - Has tweeted the 'Millennial Socialists' are coming; considers himself a moderate independent

Wolf Blitzer - Before he was a journalist, he promoted anti-Palestinian, right-wing Israeli talking points

Cuomo - Centrist / Moderate, thinks the Democrats have a leftist problem; thinks that Bernie is extreme.

Now that I've done this much work, you don't really have to do anything, right? That's why I don't like getting sucked into these phony challenges without the challenger putting skin in the game.
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And what definition of "progressive" are you running on?
 
Harshaw said:
And what definition of "progressive" are you running on?
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Are you serious? I specifically ASKED you for one before I did this. You refused. I didn't say they were progressive, you did.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Are you serious? I specifically ASKED you for one before I did this. You refused. I didn't say they were progressive, you did.
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I'm serious. It's you who are claiming people aren't progressive. I only said they think of themselves as such. I don't need a definition of "progressive" for that, but you do for what you claimed.

The reasons you've given for them not being "progressive" don't exactly lend themselves easily to what you think "progressive" is. But as you seem to think the "center" is absurdly far to the left, I suspect your definition of "progressive" is very, very left.

I think, though, you just don't want to be pinned down.
 
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