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    Re: ABC News Amy Robach caught on hot mic complaining that ABC spiked Epstein-Clinton story in 2016

    Anybody that thinks that there are any real news outlets anymore is fooling themselves...

    ... the best that they can do is report certain facts, like dates and names and perhaps some quotes... everything else in between is them twisting things to fit their narrative and agenda and it is all meant to manipulate... not to inform.

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    Re: ABC News Amy Robach caught on hot mic complaining that ABC spiked Epstein-Clinton story in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Now you're changing your story. You said not "on the same planet." If you have to shift your arguments so constantly, again, you can't be right.
    Not at all. Celestial bodies can cross paths.

    No, I just have a very good memory.
    As do I, yet I don't remember you. *shrugs*

    A modern liberal is more willing to support government welfare programs and regulation, but a modern liberal is far less willing than a "progressive" to do so, especially when it comes to individual rights, the rule of law, and constitutionality, and economic freedom ("capitalism," if you must), because a modern liberal still believes in the things I listed. "Progressives," not so much.
    Show me a definition which states this for progressives in contrast with liberals.

    "Progressives" think they're the ones who get to define what constitutes "progress," but to them, "progress" is a classic left-wing laundry list which they're willing to implement however it can get done. By democracy if possible, but if the pesky people don't want to go along with then, then through unelected bureaucracy, the courts, through punitive taxation, etc., and they don't mind casting fundamental liberties like speech, association, or religion to the wind to get what they want. They are hostile to economic liberty and really, really want complete control of the economy and use "environmentalism" to attempt to achieve it, a la the "Green New Deal." "Social equality," as they define it, is their greatest good; and the end justifies the means. Short, I suppose, of mass incarcerations or pogroms (they're generally not full-throated Communists), but then you do see things like wanting to "put men in camps" now and then.
    Now show me a definition which corresponds to your definition so that we can compare your understanding to the actual definition. You get to choose the source, as long as it is recognized outside of conservative circles.

    Also, lets get going with 'Classical British Liberal in contrast to Classical Liberal', which you said I was flatly incorrect on. Ready, set, go.
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    Re: ABC News Amy Robach caught on hot mic complaining that ABC spiked Epstein-Clinton story in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Fake outrage?

    It doesn't bother you that the MSM buried stories for years on a serial pedophile because of the powerful people who would have been implicated?

    Unlike you, I don't let politics influence this situation. I don't give a crap who the people involved were, they need to face justice PERIOD.

    I find it very telling that you chose to play politics with this by falsely implying that Trump was involved in that activity... I speaks volumes about you morality... or rather, lack there of.


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    Donald Trump was accused by one of the Epstein victims. I don't recall reading anywhere about a single one of them accusing Bill Clinton. But I'm sure you have a link to such an accusation, right?
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    Re: ABC News Amy Robach caught on hot mic complaining that ABC spiked Epstein-Clinton story in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Except that there is evidence with Clinton. He flew on Epstein's "Lolita Express" over 30 times, stayed on Epstein's private rape island... and in this thread the journalist investigating Epstein said she had evidence on Clinton...

    But clutch if your must.
    Please post a link to one of the females on Epstein's island accusing Bill Clinton of rape or even sexual activity with her. And please post a link so we can all see this "evidence" you have that Clinton raped anyone while on Epstein's island.
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    Re: ABC News Amy Robach caught on hot mic complaining that ABC spiked Epstein-Clinton story in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Anybody that thinks that there are any real news outlets anymore is fooling themselves...

    ... the best that they can do is report certain facts, like dates and names and perhaps some quotes... everything else in between is them twisting things to fit their narrative and agenda and it is all meant to manipulate... not to inform.
    If you confine your observation to what's called the mainstream media, you would be correct.

    Fortunately, there is the opposite, the alternative media. Sites such as Global Research, Information Clearing House, Lew Rockwell and numerous others DO provide news that is not covered by MSM.

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    Re: ABC News Amy Robach caught on hot mic complaining that ABC spiked Epstein-Clinton story in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Dans La Lune View Post
    Not at all. Celestial bodies can cross paths.
    Good grief, the slobbering dishonesty. You know what you meant by insisting it wasn't "on the same planet"; I know what you meant; any fair-minded reader knows what you meant.

    Your continued dishonesty indicates you don't have much confidence in your arguments.



    As do I, yet I don't remember you. *shrugs*
    Then your memory isn't up to my standards.


    Show me a definition which states this for progressives in contrast with liberals.

    Now show me a definition which corresponds to your definition so that we can compare your understanding to the actual definition. You get to choose the source, as long as it is recognized outside of conservative circles.
    I'm not chasing your moving hoops and goalposts. Your challenge was:

    10 to 1 you can't put these definitions IN YOUR OWN WORDS
    Yet I did. You're racking up quite a string of lost bets here.

    While you may not like my formulation of "progressive," which of course was intentionally negative (because "progressivism," being illiberal, is a negative thing) what in what I said is factually incorrect? Hmmm?


    Also, lets get going with 'Classical British Liberal in contrast to Classical Liberal', which you said I was flatly incorrect on. Ready, set, go.
    I never said you were "flatly incorrect" on any such thing. That's just an abject lie in a string of habitual lies from you.

    Now, you did ask, in a separate post, what makes "British" different, and I didn't answer, because I didn't see it before now, but I never said you were "flatly wrong." You just made that up, as is your wont.

    As to the difference, British classical liberalism as opposed to American classical liberalism, as represented by the Whigs and others, was far closer to conservative than its American cousin, favoring far more intervention in the economy and in general on moral grounds, and the utilitarianism of, say, Jeremy Bentham favored reorganization of social institutions along lines which were, again, more conservative -- and of course any such social reorganization is opposed to (American) classical liberalism.

    Peterson himself follows such British utilitarian ideas as the necessity of hierarchy, which is, of course, decidedly non-liberal in the American sense.

    Going to move your goalposts again? Maybe lie about a few more things?
    The only reason to be anti-libertarian is there are people you want to control that you wouldn't be able to.

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