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    Re: Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower Suddenly Won't Testify

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Dont get overconfident about this. Its important to understand the major subtexts that are at play here. Impeaching Trump is just a slight of hand they are using as an end to a means.

    This is a PR campaghin to convince the public that Trump does not deserve a 2nd term and its a smokescreen to obfuscate the reports that are coming. Make no mistake the die cast, they are gonna claim anything damning revealed by horrowitz and Durham is meant to distract us from the REAL crimes Trump is committing.

    Its as obvious as the nose on your face to those of us who are paying attention but dont underestimate the impact it will have with the casaul political followers. The threat these people pose should not be taken lightly. Dont assume everyone is as smart as you.

    Imo the best thing trump supporters can do is to engage people with calm noninflamatory discussions of whats taking place. People need to be woke but not in the progressive sense of the word. They need to understand what the progessive threat is in a way that allows them to put the pieces together on their own. Hyperbole imo is the wrong approach

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    Re: Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower Suddenly Won't Testify

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Dont get overconfident about this. Its important to understand the major subtexts that are at play here. Impeaching Trump is just a slight of hand they are using as an end to a means.

    This is a PR campaghin to convince the public that Trump does not deserve a 2nd term and its a smokescreen to obfuscate the reports that are coming. Make no mistake the die cast, they are gonna claim anything damning revealed by horrowitz and Durham is meant to distract us from the REAL crimes Trump is committing.

    Its as obvious as the nose on your face to those of us who are paying attention but dont underestimate the impact it will have with the casaul political followers. The threat these people pose should not be taken lightly. Dont assume everyone is as smart as you.

    Imo the best thing trump supporters can do is to engage people with calm noninflamatory discussions of whats taking place. People need to be woke but not in the progressive sense of the word. They need to understand what the progessive threat is in a way that allows them to put the pieces together on their own. Hyperbole imo is the wrong approach

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    Re: Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower Suddenly Won't Testify

    Quote Originally Posted by Logician Man View Post
    Of course. That is why we are heading towards an impeachment....rightfully so...
    Sorry about the dumb question i missplaced my handbook

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    Re: Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower Suddenly Won't Testify

    Quote Originally Posted by Parrish View Post
    That's in a court of law. POTUS's council will be present at the hearings.
    If we can't follow one of the primary tenets of American jurisprudence for the President, who can we follow it for?

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    Re: Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower Suddenly Won't Testify

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Yeah. But protecting the WB's identity has denied the Trumpkin's their "gawd-given rite" to call him/her a poopy-head, crooked, small handed, lazy, loser. Or whatever insult Cambridge Analytica tells them to call them. They can't defend against the message to they take pot shots at the messenger. It's who they are. It's what they do.

    You really upset the school yard bully when you make him takes swings at the shadows on the gymnasium wall. Like Don Quixote fighting a windmill. Drives 'em bat**** crazy.
    This is a kitchen sink post, someone want to give him a race card to throw for the daily trifecta?

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    Re: Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower Suddenly Won't Testify

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    I could care less if the whistleblowers testifies about this juvenile nonsense or not but he does not have the right to privacy. The whistleblower protection act protects him from being fired but it does not garuntee him anonymity. His anoni.ity is the discretion of the gov.

    I will also add that if there is anything false in the report thst he made he can and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Furthermore its absolutely at the discretion of the house if they want to include his testimony as part of the inquiry but if they follow through with impeaching him, the whistleblower will have no wiggle room if Trumps people subpoena him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Ah, Yes. Most of us sincerely believe that Trump is the greatest threat to American democracy since the Civil War, and maybe even beyond that. This is not a normal president, nor is a President that would put American first, in front of his own interests. That makes him dangerous. The fact that he is woefully short on knowledge of world affairs and won't listen to those that are makes him a very, very dangerous man.

    I don't believe you grasp the severity of the crisis from the perspective of most of America. And, since we are fundamentally a democracy where the opinion of the majority is to be at least respected, if not followed, disrespecting the half of the country that finds this man offensive, is offensive in itself.
    You're correct that i don't grasp the severity of the situation. I dont share your opinion but i do respect your opinion as coming from a sincere place. I think its a shame that my opion about your postion is not reciprocated.

    I dont even feel like its worth debating because of the lack of respect offered. I rather hash out our differences in a calm and meanigful way. I may even surprise you by shifting toward some form of empathy toward your position if not an outward agreement but i dont feel like theres any room for discussion. The conversation has becone you're either with me or you're my enemy.

    We may disagree but im not you're enemy nor are you mine. What we are is two people who disagree on the best path to achieve the best possinle outcome.

    Im your neighbor. The guy who mows your lawn when your mower is down. Im the guy who leaves a bag groceries at your stoop anonymously when your syruggling. Im the guy who shovels your driveway after a snowstorm. Stop distespecting me for not sharing your opinion.

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    Re: Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower Suddenly Won't Testify

    Quote Originally Posted by bongsaway View Post
    If things trump has said is proven to be false should he also be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law?
    Yes

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    Re: Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower Suddenly Won't Testify

    Quote Originally Posted by 3leftsdoo View Post
    Imagine the shrieks of passionate fury being emitted by Democrats were this being done to their precious messiah Obama...


    Not an issue Obama was not a traitorous con artist crook involved with fixing elections with foreign governments...

    8 years and he never needed one personal criminal lawyer, and not one of his staff was imprisoned...

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    Re: Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower Suddenly Won't Testify

    Actually, all testimony is irrelevant when the verdict is already decided.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir View Post
    LOL! How deliciously irrelevant.

    The IG contradicted the asinine claim at your link and found the complaint by the WB "both urgent and that it appeared credible."

    Yet again you have no idea what you're talking about here.

    What the WB has been confirmed by other witnesses, under oath, repeatedly, and confirmed publicly by your god, twump.
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