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    Re: Only there isn't any impeachment, CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    The **** they aren't. More Democrats Want Trump Removed Than Wanted Nixon Out

    Please don't spin while you post.
    I didn't say that we don't want Trump out...what I was doing was refuting your statement because it is factually wrong. Please think before you post.

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    Re: Only there isn't any impeachment, CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    I know that a prosecution does not attempt to frame someone for a crime but then announce that they are clearing that person of that crime.

    Trump skated on criminal conspiracy because Mueller felt there was insufficient evidence of an explicit agreement. However, Team Trump knowingly welcomed Russian interference on his behalf and didn't report it. He also laid out 10+ instances of obstruction, but did not make a statement about guilt because he could not make a statement about guilt under the rules that controlled him.

    Russia did meddle. They intend to again. The only people lying are those who say that this, along with everything else laid against Trump, is some kind of deluded conspiracy to take him specifically down. And you know that.




    PS: Yeah, I do know about prosecutorial shenanigans because I'm a criminal defense lawyer. These are not those shenanigans, and when there are shenanigans they are usually aimed at the poor defendants - the ones with a state appointed lawyer who does not have the resources (because states make sure to cripple the defense as much as they can in appointed cases) to properly dig through everything. Even petty stuff, like in Suffolk County, MA. (Boston area). There, the DA's office has a habit in murder cases of dumping one or two banker's boxes of materials on the defense a week or two before trial, claiming they "forgot" and it was an "accident", but then demanding trial not get rescheduled. Why? Well, one or two weeks before a murder trial, you are putting in a good 16 hour day every day to make sure you've re-memorized everything front to back to front to back.

    Then you get a box or two of brand new material and you're screwed. You can't prepare as well. That sort of thing. Or destroyed evidence. Or arranging with prison guards to send a professional 'snitch' into the defendant's cell, and no matter what actually happens, that snitch will be called to testify that actually the defendant confessed to the whole thing. How convenient! And the snitch will deny a deal....buuuuut a year later suddenly they're asking a judge to reduce his sentence. Etc.

    Against a president? Nah. And especially not by a lifetime Republican with a sterling reputation for taking down evil people, appointed by a republican, overseen by a republican, in a republican administration, with a whole bunch of republicans around him. Worst you lot came up with was some propaganda about Strozyk or however it's spelled. But guess what? That lifetime Republican with a sterling reputation for taking down evil people, appointed by a republican, overseen by a republican, in a republican administration, with a whole bunch of republicans around him ripped him off the case when he found out AND nothing the guy had done was improper.




    Just stop lying. You backed the wrong horse. Trump is ****. He's corrupt. Admit your error and feel better.
    Yes, Russia meddled, however OBAMA was in a position to do something about that, not Trump. Secondly Trump did not welcome or entreat the meddling, his contacts with Russian counterparts were the same thing every incoming administration tries to do in getting a feel for who they are going to have foreign dealings with.

    Mueller didn't press the obstruction because he could not prove it in the first place or he would have pushed those recommendations more strongly to Congress, who did nothing to act on them.

    The Mueller report was a house of cards as a prosecution, we both know this and neither one of has to be lying to admit that.

    PS, the lying thing, its just an ad hom you can get away with under the rules here, its still an ad hom. So quitcher lyin, ya hear!?!

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    Re: Only there isn't any impeachment, CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Where does fabricating a Russian meddling story and collusion fall into respect for our laws? Oh wait those are all democrats, that's different.
    vs.

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Yes, Russia meddled
    Oh so now they DID meddle and it isn't a fabrication?


    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    however OBAMA was in a position to do something about that, not Trump.
    Oh it's Obama's fault. Nevermind your earlier lie, it went from not happening to happening but being Obama's fault. Right.




    And what would you instead be saying if Obama had gone on TV and announced that the Russians were interfering on Trump's behalf? Right. You'd be claiming he was trying to rig the election. You'd still be claiming it today. You....ok, not you, but RW media....RW media shapes its narrative to fit whatever new bad thing comes out about Trump. Hannity and the other talking heads say it. The next morning you, along with all the other Trump supporters, are saying the exact same thing.

    I argue with various people on the left all the time here. I see them arguing amongst themselves. You? You all say the same thing: the exact lies cooked up the night before on Fox et. al. You'd just be uttering different lies if Obama had revealed Russian interference.




    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Secondly Trump did not welcome or entreat the meddling, his contacts with Russian counterparts were the same thing every incoming administration tries to do in getting a feel for who they are going to have foreign dealings with.
    Why do you lie so much? He entreated AND welcomed it. It's laid out in the report. There was just no proof beyond a reasonable doubt of explicit agreement, so, he 'cleared' Trump.

    He, being a lifelong Republican with a sterling reputation, appointed by a republican, overseen by a republican, and in a republican administration. A lifelong Republican - remember this, because I've seen too many of you trip over yourselves - you ALSO want us to believe that he "completely exonerated" Trump (he didn't). So you need him to have told the truth for your own propaganda to work. Ooopsie-daisy?






    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Mueller didn't press the obstruction because he could not prove it in the first place or he would have pushed those recommendations more strongly to Congress, who did nothing to act on them.
    That's an OpportunityCost-grade lie.

    Anyone who paid the slightest bit of honest attention knows (1) DOJ policy bound Mueller, (2) DOJ policy explicitly prohibited Mueller (or anyone governed by the DOJ rules) from seeking to indict a sitting President.





    Why are the lies you tell so numerous AND so stupid?
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    Re: Only there isn't any impeachment, CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    vs.



    Oh so now they DID meddle and it isn't a fabrication?




    Oh it's Obama's fault. Nevermind your earlier lie, it went from not happening to happening but being Obama's fault. Right.




    And what would you instead be saying if Obama had gone on TV and announced that the Russians were interfering on Trump's behalf? Right. You'd be claiming he was trying to rig the election. You'd still be claiming it today. You....ok, not you, but RW media....RW media shapes its narrative to fit whatever new bad thing comes out about Trump. Hannity and the other talking heads say it. The next morning you, along with all the other Trump supporters, are saying the exact same thing.

    I argue with various people on the left all the time here. I see them arguing amongst themselves. You? You all say the same thing: the exact lies cooked up the night before on Fox et. al. You'd just be uttering different lies if Obama had revealed Russian interference.






    Why do you lie so much? He entreated AND welcomed it. It's laid out in the report. There was just no proof beyond a reasonable doubt of explicit agreement, so, he 'cleared' Trump.

    He, being a lifelong Republican with a sterling reputation, appointed by a republican, overseen by a republican, and in a republican administration. A lifelong Republican - remember this, because I've seen too many of you trip over yourselves - you ALSO want us to believe that he "completely exonerated" Trump (he didn't). So you need him to have told the truth for your own propaganda to work. Ooopsie-daisy?








    That's an OpportunityCost-grade lie.

    Anyone who paid the slightest bit of honest attention knows (1) DOJ policy bound Mueller, (2) DOJ policy explicitly prohibited Mueller (or anyone governed by the DOJ rules) from seeking to indict a sitting President.





    Why are the lies you tell so numerous AND so stupid?
    Exactly.
    If Obama said anything about Russia meddling to hurt Hilary without 3 smoking guns would've had the RW falling all over the place and screaming rigged election.

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    Re: Only there isn't any impeachment, CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Nancy is doing what she can to affect the economy. As long as she can avoid ratifying the USMCA, she is holding back the economy. This gives the Dems more ability to talk about "recession" and blame it on Trump. She knows the useful idiots won't blame her for her own actions.

    It's really a shame that democrats are dumb enough to look but not see NP ruining the country, refusing to do anything to make the economy better or to improve healthcare, or prescription drug prices or secure the border, because she only wants to get the Presidency back in the hands of a crazy democrat so they can waste more more and ruin the economy while they give away the farm. .Democrats are not ging to let trump get anything done on USMCA and that's a shame because it would be a huge gain for the countries working folks.

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    Re: Only there isn't any impeachment, CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    vs.



    Oh so now they DID meddle and it isn't a fabrication?




    Oh it's Obama's fault. Nevermind your earlier lie, it went from not happening to happening but being Obama's fault. Right.




    And what would you instead be saying if Obama had gone on TV and announced that the Russians were interfering on Trump's behalf? Right. You'd be claiming he was trying to rig the election. You'd still be claiming it today. You....ok, not you, but RW media....RW media shapes its narrative to fit whatever new bad thing comes out about Trump. Hannity and the other talking heads say it. The next morning you, along with all the other Trump supporters, are saying the exact same thing.

    I argue with various people on the left all the time here. I see them arguing amongst themselves. You? You all say the same thing: the exact lies cooked up the night before on Fox et. al. You'd just be uttering different lies if Obama had revealed Russian interference.






    Why do you lie so much? He entreated AND welcomed it. It's laid out in the report. There was just no proof beyond a reasonable doubt of explicit agreement, so, he 'cleared' Trump.

    He, being a lifelong Republican with a sterling reputation, appointed by a republican, overseen by a republican, and in a republican administration. A lifelong Republican - remember this, because I've seen too many of you trip over yourselves - you ALSO want us to believe that he "completely exonerated" Trump (he didn't). So you need him to have told the truth for your own propaganda to work. Ooopsie-daisy?








    That's an OpportunityCost-grade lie.

    Anyone who paid the slightest bit of honest attention knows (1) DOJ policy bound Mueller, (2) DOJ policy explicitly prohibited Mueller (or anyone governed by the DOJ rules) from seeking to indict a sitting President.





    Why are the lies you tell so numerous AND so stupid?
    The fabrication is Trump campaign involvement, you knew what I meant, you are just being pedantic.

    Was Trump President when the meddling was ongoing? No. The actions taken would then fall to Obama. Nor is making a public announcement the only option available to him, in fact that would probably be the worst one.

    Opportunity Cost grade lie? That's just insulting, you're better than that...I thought.

    Publicly getting on a stage and making a joke isn't making an agreement, that's where things fall flat. There was no collusion, because it did not exist.

    You are exaggerating my statements and making so many assumptions, its easy to say where you would think I am lying because you are reading more than I am typing, just read what's there, not what you want to be there.
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    Re: Only there isn't any impeachment, CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    The fabrication is Trump campaign involvement, you knew what I meant, you are just being pedantic.
    hahahaha.

    One sentence. You've got nothing, and you just signaled clearer than day that you know it.
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    Re: Only there isn't any impeachment, CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    Nancy, the progressives, and the democrats have to keep this story running

    It is their one and only opportunity to beat Trump in 2020 based on what is happening now...with one caveat, which is the economy

    If that slides and goes into a recession, beating him seems more likely

    But the impeachment inquiry story is to try and change votes in 2020...nothing more

    There will never be an actual vote in the house to impeach....where they send to senate

    That is what puts the democrats at risk....and Nancy knows it

    So play this out, delay, stall, and keep the news churning as long as possible

    Her only problem is that the witnesses are drying up....and therefore the news bits
    And they're doing their best to tank the economy.

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