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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    This thread is a good example of what has happened to this nation.

    Tucker, as usual, is being very dishonest, intentionally misleading, and a hyper-partisan about the whole thing.

    John Bolton and his position on the Middle East is one rooted in Republican views of foreign policy for that area of the world going back decades, some of that thinking on which government is a target for change matching the ideological positions responses during the Bush 43 / Cheney time frame, and we have no evidence whatsoever that interventionism in terms of regime change in this area of the world ever was or became a liberal position.

    It is unlikely that many "progressives" are "mourning" the firing of John Bolton.

    They may greatly question Trump in who he hires or the reasoning for a firing, they may question the revolving door mentality of his administration, they may question how much Trump needs to be surrounded by those that kiss his ass, and they may question Trump's decisions that arguably give better position to other nations we are concerned about... but I doubt any real liberal thought highly of John Bolton.

    We have another matter that is more important to discuss.

    It could be argued very well that all of our confusing, hypocritical, and disastrous foreign policy going back at least 40 years has put us in a position where there are less options today to deal with conditions in this area of the world. To continue on the path put forth prior to Trump (and perhaps prior to Obama as well) means eventual war with Iran. The who likes who and why map for the Middle East is even more difficult today.

    But it could also be argued very well, and Tucker has mentioned this before, that our policy has had consequences.

    Our longest war (conflict, intervention, whatever the term is today) in US history is Afghanistan and that mess is still going on almost 18 years later, with plenty of loss of life, and no real solution in sight as the enemy listed for that conflict with ties in responsibility to 9-11 is still around.

    Our war in Iraq did not turn out to well either. While we did remove a horrible dictator (who we once supported ironically because of his fight with Iran) we also ended up with terrorism where it was not before, a mess of ideological division where parts of the nation are *still* not under control, and a spill over into another mess. A long term multiple way civil war in Syria with interventionism from the West and Russia.

    Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, etc... no where we have been involved, no matter how directly or indirectly, has resulted in peace.

    John Bolton is a hallmark of a failed policy with plenty of blood in multiple nations never resulting in peace, as a liberal I am happy he is not in the ear of Trump begging for yet another mess in this area of the world.

    The only place Tucker Carlson has been right is about what Iraq resulted in and what Iran would turn into, however his partisanship means only talking about it when someone he does not like is at the mic. That is worth calling out.
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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You liberals all think you are 'high brow' but youre not. There are few things, in fact, that are less intellectually impressive than a modern day liberal. Arrogance is a poor substitute for intelligence.
    Yawn.

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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    I wish progressives (or democrats or republicans) were hawks. Those that are know how alone we are.

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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    At 2:50 Tucker makes the asinine comments about John Bolton being of the 'left'. For those who don't want to watch the video (I don't blame you) he pretty much said by believing the government could be used to effect positive change (e.g. military interventionism), Bolton is a Progressive/leftist.
    Military interventionism is a positive change?
    Geoist might think that but Carlson sure doesn't believe it.
    He's always been against interventionism.
    Against use of big G Government when not in our interest.
    Bolton is not.
    That was Carlson's point.

    Of course, Tucker doesn't apply the same principle to himself when it comes to his support of the government building a border wall, immigration, etc. Due to his unwavering support of Trump, I would not doubt he also supports our continued increase of the military budget. I'm also sure he would not have applied this odd definition of 'leftist' to himself when he initially supported the Iraq War.
    You don't see the difference between big G Government enforcing our domestic Laws and big G Government military interventionism around the globe? Really?

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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    At 2:50 Tucker makes the asinine comments about John Bolton being of the 'left'. For those who don't want to watch the video (I don't blame you) he pretty much said by believing the government could be used to effect positive change (e.g. military interventionism), Bolton is a Progressive/leftist. Of course, Tucker doesn't apply the same principle to himself when it comes to his support of the government building a border wall, immigration, etc. Due to his unwavering support of Trump, I would not doubt he also supports our continued increase of the military budget. I'm also sure he would not have applied this odd definition of 'leftist' to himself when he initially supported the Iraq War.



    Tucker: "Bolton was one of the most progressive people in the Trump Administration."

    So, who is dumber: Tucker or his viewers? Tough question, imo.
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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    If I had to choose a president, I'd choose Trump over Bolton. Trump is an incompetent buffoon with no skills other than bungling deals and tainting everything with incompetence, and Bolton is a war-monger who sees every problem as an opportunity for war. I'll take corrupt absurdity over the deaths of millions.

    Here's a question: Why should I be choosing a side here? Neither of these people belong within 1000 miles of government. Why did Trump choose Bolton in the first place, and why did anyone with half a brain choose Trump?
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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    Quote Originally Posted by AmNat View Post
    Tucker is, as usual, completely right. The left hates him for it because they've entirely sold out to the pro-war lobby.
    fwiw, Tucker's argument is what's known in the debate biz as a straw man argument.
    So, of course Tucker's argument sounds good.
    Tucker is arguing against a position he created specifically to argue against.

    The more you know...
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Tucker states Chris Murphy said he was, "Legitimately shaken to see Bolton leave the White House."

    Murphy's tweet stated:

    Iím legitimately shaken by the grave instability of American foreign policy today.

    Iím no Bolton fan, but the world is coming apart, and the revolving door of U.S. leadership is disappearing America from the world just at the moment where a stable American hand is most needed.


    Tucker's liberal 'paraphrasing' of Murphy was nowhere close to accurate. But I guess it is only the 'left-wing' media that spreads 'fake news.'
    A bit off topic, but lets not forget Tucker's disappointment when he couldn't nail DeBlasio on his SUV. For those who didn't catch it, (paraphrased) Tucker asked the mayor how he gets away with driving an SUV, and DB explained it is hybrid-electric.

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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You're calling Bush and Trump "the progressive left"? You realize it's Republicans who keep giving this asshole a job and Democrats who keep complaining about it, right? You Trump cultists are completely allergic to reality. I bet you think Mike Pence is a Democratic sweetheart as well.
    When Trump leaves office they will deny ever supporting him and claim he was really a leftist progressive because he supported prison reform and opposed the TPP.
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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    A bit off topic, but lets not forget Tucker's disappointment when he couldn't nail DeBlasio on his SUV. For those who didn't catch it, (paraphrased) Tucker asked the mayor how he gets away with driving an SUV, and DB explained it is hybrid-electric.
    Still uses gas.

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