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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    PS: it is suspicious when someone creates an account and immediately dives in to a thread. You literally just created your account and somehow you find your way here, right away? And that is your second comment on a debate board you are "new" to?
    The hallmarks of a socky.


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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    Quote Originally Posted by AmNat View Post
    Yes. You can tell that they've sold out by their fondness for neocons like John Bolton (or Bill Kristol, Max Boot, etc.).



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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If you think John Bolton's belief is "sees the state as the answer to all human problems," I really don't know what the **** to tell you.
    Are you incapable of following a simple argument? You wrote:

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce
    Tucker is defining progressivism as "thinking the government can effect a positive change."
    To which I stated that he isn't:

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho
    No, he isn't. Watch the video at the 3:00 mark. He claims (paraphrased) that progressives see the state as the answer to all human problems.
    Now you're talking about what John Bolton believes instead of what progressives believe. I couldn't care less what Bolton believes.

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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    No to both. I don't believe medical decisions should be based on politics, and I don't want the state involved in education whatsoever.



    No, he isn't. Watch the video at the 3:00 mark. He claims (paraphrased) that progressives see the state as the answer to all human problems.
    Really? How do you feel about a woman's right to choose? Somehow I think you want the Government right in there telling the Doctor what he or she can or can't say when the subject of abortion comes up. Am I right?

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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    More suspicious you have no sense of direction

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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    The hallmark of sucky lol and you are good at it.

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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dans La Lune View Post
    Hatred of Putin, his corrupt kleptocracy, and his bankrolling of neo-fascists movements in Europe doesn't equate to anti-Russian sentiment. And progressives don't want to invade Syria.

    You yourself seem pretty confused. I've seldom met a progressive who wants to invade any nation on Earth.
    What can I say? Most of my experience was on another political message board I'd belonged to since 2008. I'd known many of these people for 10 years, and they are progressives. Pro-choice, pro-Democratic, pro-LGBT, pro-universal-healthcare, pro-immigration, pro-feminism, pro-climate, anti-racism, anti-white-privilege, anti-sexism dyed-in-the-wool progressives. Nearly all of them very anti-war up to and including 2016, but then in 2017 and beyond, a distinct change.

    It wasn't just "Putin is a dictator", "Shame on Assad", it was "We NEED to deploy troops along the Ukrainian border", "We NEED to put more boots on the ground in Syria and Turkey to bolster our allies", "We NEED to start blockading Russia's ports in response to the poisoning of Sergei Skripal". Staunch military interventionism.

    So what am I supposed to believe: your claim that "progressives don't want to invade Syria", or my own eyes?

    Maybe DP is different. Who knows. I don't know people here well enough to make this determination.

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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post

    Tucker’s point was that believing in using government to create change in a society makes you a progressive. He is grossly incorrect with his simplistic definition. By his own definition he is a progressive as he believes in using government to curb immigration.
    changing society is different than a law and order issue like immigration.
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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    Quote Originally Posted by bearpoker View Post
    Really? How do you feel about a woman's right to choose?
    Unlike you, I support her right to choose which school her kid goes to, which firearm she wants for self-defense, which drugs she want to put into her own body, and anything else that doesn't harm other people.

    Somehow I think you want the Government right in there telling the Doctor what he or she can or can't say when the subject of abortion comes up. Am I right?
    No, I couldn't care less. Abortion wouldn't even be an issue if it weren't for occupational licensing laws which people like you support.

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    Re: Tucker: "So Many Progressives Mourning John Bolton's Firing"

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    Unlike you, I support her right to choose which school her kid goes to, which firearm she wants for self-defense, which drugs she want to put into her own body, and anything else that doesn't harm other people.



    No, I couldn't care less. Abortion wouldn't even be an issue if it weren't for occupational licensing laws which people like you support.
    Okay, does this mean than anyone can be a doctor just by saying so? Are you an anarchist? That's not a society I want to live in. Nice dodge to my question by the way.

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