About that Philadelphia shooter who shot six officers

Fledermaus said:

And it isn't the guns.

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The sound of gun fire causing a mass panic in Times Square suggests that it is. I doubt the panic would've happened if it weren't for prevalence of guns in our society.

Fledermaus said:

Let me check....

Did I say that? No.

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Calm down. I asked a question, I didn't claim you said this.

So, nobody is claiming guns fire themselves. Why bring it up, then? Nobody disputes that guns require a human being to pull the trigger. (or superintelligent monkeys bent on world domination) What does this contribute to the discussion? Is there a claim or position this fact is in support of?

Deuce said:

Calm down. I asked a question, I didn't claim you said this.

So, nobody is claiming guns fire themselves. Why bring it up, then? Nobody disputes that guns require a human being to pull the trigger. (or superintelligent monkeys bent on world domination) What does this contribute to the discussion? Is there a claim or position this fact is in support of?

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I was responding to this statement... "The fact weapons are so readily available is the problem"

Until 1964 you could buy guns through the mail.

In later years you could walk into K-Mart, Sears, etc. and but military surplus weapons cheap and no questions asked beyond being able to prove you were over 18.

Access to firearms may just not be the problem.

We are more restricted than ever...

Fledermaus said:

I was responding to this statement... "The fact weapons are so readily available is the problem"

Until 1964 you could buy guns through the mail.

In later years you could walk into K-Mart, Sears, etc. and but military surplus weapons cheap and no questions asked beyond being able to prove you were over 18.

Access to firearms may just not be the problem.

We are more restricted tha

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"Guns don't fire themselves" does not refute the statement "guns are readily available and this is a problem."

Deuce said:

"Guns don't fire themselves" does not refute the statement "guns are readily available and this is a problem."

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Guns were always available... Therefore there has to be another contributor.

Such as the person doing the shooting.

Fledermaus said:

Guns were always available... Therefore there has to be another contributor.

Such as the person doing the shooting.

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Ok great, so just say that. "Guns don't fire themselves" is irrelevant.

Deuce said:

Ok great, so just say that. "Guns don't fire themselves" is irrelevant.

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Opinion noted.

Put him in Epsteins old cell for awhile

Fledermaus said:

I was responding to this statement... "The fact weapons are so readily available is the problem"

Until 1964 you could buy guns through the mail.

In later years you could walk into K-Mart, Sears, etc. and but military surplus weapons cheap and no questions asked beyond being able to prove you were over 18.

Access to firearms may just not be the problem.

We are more restricted than ever...

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I bought my first rifle at age 16 for $29 in a Western Auto store. The clerk threw in a box of shells. Never did want to kill people with it.

chuckiechan said:

Philadelphia Standoff Suspect Maurice Hill 'Should Never Have Been on the Streets,' Philly DA Larry Krasner Says

Philadelphia Standoff Suspect Maurice Hill 'Should Never Have Been on the Streets,' Philly DA Larry Krasner Says - NBC 10 Philadelphia



Why blame the guns and not the criminal. Also, residents were shouting epithets and throwing things at the police. So I can only assume they were unhappy with the police, and therefor happy with the guy shooting cops in their neighborhood? WTF?

This whole thing is light years removed from guns.

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Statement by United States Attorney William M. McSwain on the Shooting of Six Philadelphia Police Officers | USAO-EDPA | Department of Justice



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, August 15, 2019
Statement by United States Attorney William M. McSwain on the Shooting of Six Philadelphia Police Officers

What I witnessed last night was true heroism by the Philadelphia police. But the crisis was precipitated by a stunning disrespect for law enforcement – a disrespect so flagrant and so reckless that the suspect immediately opened fire on every single officer within shooting distance. Only by the grace of God did they survive.

Where does such disrespect come from?

There is a new culture of disrespect for law enforcement in this City that is promoted and championed by District Attorney Larry Krasner – and I am fed up with it.

It started with chants at the DA’s victory party – chants of “F*** the police” and “No good cops in a racist system.”

We’ve now endured over a year and a half of the worst kinds of slander against law enforcement – the DA routinely calls police and prosecutors corrupt and racist, even “war criminals” that he compares to Nazis.

This vile rhetoric puts our police in danger. It disgraces the Office of the District Attorney. And it harms the good people in the City of Philadelphia and rewards the wicked.

The alleged shooter last night, Maurice Hill, is a previously convicted felon with a long rap sheet. We have plenty of criminal laws in this City – but what we don’t have is robust enforcement by the District Attorney. Instead, among other things, we have diversionary programs for gun offenses, the routine downgrading of charges for violent crime, and entire sections of the criminal code that are ignored.

The criminal laws in this City – and especially the existing gun laws and drug laws – should be aggressively enforced in order to protect the public and the police. My Office is doing all that we can. We have prosecuted 70% more violent crime cases this year than we did last year, in response to the District Attorney’s lawlessness. But it is now time for the District Attorney and his enablers to stop making excuses for criminals. It is time for accountability. It is time to support law enforcement and to put the good people of this City first.

Deuce said:

People get upset with cops for good reason. Example: An ICE officer attempts homicide against unarmed citizens and police just stood there and watched. And it’s not even news, we don’t have a thread here in it.

If you’re browner than a paper bag, I don’t see why you’d ever trust police.

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It was not a ICE officer..... And from what I found there have been no changes filed as of now. Take the racist crap and :spin:

Never Again Action claimed in a tweet that the truck belonged to an "ICE guard," however later clarified that he was a correctional officer in a press release.

In a statement on Thursday, the Donald W. Wyatt Detention Facility identified the driver as Captain Thomas Woodworth and revealed that he has been "placed on administrative leave pending the results of an independent investigation being conducted by the Rhode Island State Police, and the Wyatt's internal investigation."

Correctional Officer Drove Pickup Truck Into Group of Peaceful Protesters: He 'Ran Us Over'

Common Sense 1 said:

It was not a ICE officer..... And from what I found there have been no changes filed as of now. Take the racist crap and :spin:

Never Again Action claimed in a tweet that the truck belonged to an "ICE guard," however later clarified that he was a correctional officer in a press release.

In a statement on Thursday, the Donald W. Wyatt Detention Facility identified the driver as Captain Thomas Woodworth and revealed that he has been "placed on administrative leave pending the results of an independent investigation being conducted by the Rhode Island State Police, and the Wyatt's internal investigation."

Correctional Officer Drove Pickup Truck Into Group of Peaceful Protesters: He 'Ran Us Over'

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Oh he was a corrections officer, in that case it’s totally fine to try and murder someone. No need for the cops to get involved.

Also I’m racist because corrections officer is a race.

Rogue Valley said:

Try blaming both. It isn't that hard to do.

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No problem I blame criminals with guns, or any other weapon for that matter.
Remove criminals from society then guns and/or other weapons are no longer a problem.

ttwtt78640 said:

Laws only do what they are intended to do: allow the "just us" system to carefully select (manage?) who gets locked up (removed from society) and for how long. When you have 200 cells and 1000 convicts with time remaining on their sentences it then becomes a matter of whether to decide which ones should be released, to simply reduce the assigned sentences of all of them and/or to stop assigning jail/prison time.

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The unintended consequences of legislation is often greater and more harmful than the intended results of any piece of legislation.

The career criminals inside the Beltway, inside Congress and other branches, are seldom punished by the Just Us system. It's not a pleasant thought, but it is a fact. Considering those elected officials have taken an oath to protect and defend the US Constitution, "Career traitors" might be a better term.

And it's not limited to just the federal level.

In 27 states, legislation exists that happily violates the First Amendment right to free speech. In 27 states today, it is a felony to boycott Israel.

Perhaps the shooter in Philly was somehow angry about all that?

Rogue Valley said:

Try blaming both. It isn't that hard to do.

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Actually, it seems to be when the "crime enabling" tool is not a gun. Do you blame gasoline stations for acts of arson or stores that sell knives for stabbings?

chuckiechan said:

Philadelphia Standoff Suspect Maurice Hill 'Should Never Have Been on the Streets,' Philly DA Larry Krasner Says

Philadelphia Standoff Suspect Maurice Hill 'Should Never Have Been on the Streets,' Philly DA Larry Krasner Says - NBC 10 Philadelphia



Why blame the guns and not the criminal. Also, residents were shouting epithets and throwing things at the police. So I can only assume they were unhappy with the police, and therefor happy with the guy shooting cops in their neighborhood? WTF?

This whole thing is light years removed from guns.

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So those cops weren't shot with a firearm? If the right would take one of my suggestions, that first arrest with an illegal weapon with the serial number removed, would have landed him two years in jail if I had my way. If he did it again, five years. But no, that is too hard for the pro gun folks to admit it would be a good idea. And if you were black, you might understand why some residents are upset with the police.

bongsaway said:

So those cops weren't shot with a firearm? If the right would take one of my suggestions, that first arrest with an illegal weapon with the serial number removed, would have landed him two years in jail if I had my way. If he did it again, five years. But no, that is too hard for the pro gun folks to admit it would be a good idea. And if you were black, you might understand why some residents are upset with the police.

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You are not the problem.

The bottom line is were the rubber hits the road, the district attorney elected by the people chooses to let repeat offenders live among them. The DA's supporters where cheering Mr. Hill as if he were a hero, and the police were an occupying force. He'll be a hero in the joint.

Maurice Hill will soon be a icon of the left against the struggle against the man!

And Trump.
And capitalism.
And healthcare.
And student loans.
And global change.
And racism.
And white supremacy.
And guns. (Except his)

chuckiechan said:

You are not the problem.

The bottom line is were the rubber hits the road, the district attorney elected by the people chooses to let repeat offenders live among them. The DA's supporters where cheering Mr. Hill as if he were a hero, and the police were an occupying force. He'll be a hero in the joint.

Maurice Hill will soon be a icon of the left against the struggle against the man!

And Trump.
And capitalism.
And healthcare.
And student loans.
And global change.
And racism.
And white supremacy.
And guns. (Except his)

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Oh lord, when will it stop? I'm seriously starting to think the supporters of the GOP are collectively going off the deep end.

chuckiechan said:

Why blame the guns and not the criminal.

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1. Because in this changing country, bad people are no longer "criminals."

2. In San Francisco, the powers-that-be want to change the language used to describe criminals.

a. For example, the next time a young thug beats you up or murders you, the San Francisco authorities are suggesting that the young thug NOT be referred to as a "juvenile offender" but as "a young person impacted by the justice system."

No wonder other countries such as China are beginning to lose all respect (and fear) of the United States of America.

TheParser said:

1. Because in this changing country, bad people are no longer "criminals."

2. In San Francisco, the powers-that-be want to change the language used to describe criminals.

a. For example, the next time a young thug beats you up or murders you, the San Francisco authorities are suggesting that the young thug NOT be referred to as a "juvenile offender" but as "a young person impacted by the justice system."

No wonder other countries such as China are beginning to lose all respect (and fear) of the United States of America.

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The language has already been changed to describe criminals. In Congress they are described as "esteemed colleagues".