Fox News' Tucker Carlson calls concerns about white supremacy a "hoax"

bomberfox said:

Turn off fox news.
Seeing as Truman is your bar for being a racist.... well nobody is a racist to you unless they do something yuuuuuge.

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I never made any such claim.

Fletch said:

He doesnt, and that is a remarkably stupid thing to say, but thank you for mindlessly repeating what you hear on CNN.

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Not repeating any media source, just the victims, their relatives and friends.

bubbabgone said:

Would you say an unwarranted accusation of racism is itself racist?

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Mach said:

...If you assumed we are using racism in the broader context, you might agree that your quesiton itself likely indicates a racist remark, one made by the majority power (white). That likely bothers you, it bothers most people that don't understand racism. It bothered me for 15 years bubbagone, and then one day I figured it out.

And I do not use the term racism to mean: Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another.

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The only thing that is particularly bothersome is your unwillingness to answer his question without you poisoning the well. If to even ask your opinion is itself racist, then conversation ends - which, one supposes, is at least your subliminal intent.

For those of us who have not spent the last 15 years in the wilderness finding a new coded rhetoric to discourage unwelcome questions the answer would be very simple:

A false accusation of racism is not necessarily racist, but it is at least as, or perhaps MORE, morally offensive than when an expression of racism is found. Not only is far more reputationally damaging to an individual, the consequences of a false charge of racism also enables the authentic ideological racist to exploit the increasingly broad and reckless usage against innocents. Just as McCarthy and his supporters reckless charges of communist agentry against ordinary liberal critics had the perverse effects of lending cover to those actual agents, who claimed they too were merely persecuted and idealistic reformers.

So yes, a false accusation is at least as bad as the alleged sin, if not far worse.

"Scholars, also commonly define racism not only in terms of individual prejudice, but also in terms of a power structure that protects the interests of the dominant culture and actively discriminates against ethnic minorities.[49][50] From this perspective, while members of ethnic minorities may be prejudiced against members of the dominant culture, they lack the political and economic power to actively oppress them, and they are therefore not practicing "racism".[49][53][54]

" Racism - Wikipedia

There is a language problem at the root of this issue though. ... So I feel if there is to be progress on this beyond just a steady organic progress, that definition has to differentiate into two distinct concepts/words.

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One's differentiation should be honest. There is the usual and commonly understood dictionary definition since the massive moral lessons of WWII, and there is the ludicrous "power structure" definitions developed by the tenured radical leftists of the last 20-30 years. The latter are not 'scholars' in any traditional sense, they are the product of a humanities departments "literary" fads and "studies" departments that have developed a specialized jargon and pet narratives of post modern clap trap.

The traditional understandings of race and prejudice were too simple, and many big issues remedied, from the 60s. So they since then they have spent decades getting grants and fat salaries searching for racism, sexism, patriarchy, ableism, genderism etc. with broader defintions, uncovering its "subtle" and "hidden" forms everywhere. And from this spun lots of new fads since the 90s: white privileging, intersectionality, whiteness critical studies, structural racism (which is now broader than the prior institutional racism).

And with all these, new faculty positions and departments for the socalled "scholars" of identity politics.

maxparrish said:

The only thing that is particularly bothersome is your unwillingness to answer his question without you poisoning the well. If to even ask your opinion is itself racist, then conversation ends - which, one supposes, is at least your subliminal intent.

For those of us who have not spent the last 15 years in the wilderness finding a new coded rhetoric to discourage unwelcome questions the answer would be very simple:

A false accusation of racism is not necessarily racist, but it is at least as, or perhaps MORE, morally offensive than when an expression of racism is found. Not only is far more reputationally damaging to an individual, the consequences of a false charge of racism also enables the authentic ideological racist to exploit the increasingly broad and reckless usage against innocents. Just as McCarthy and his supporters reckless charges of communist agentry against ordinary liberal critics had the perverse effects of lending cover to those actual agents, who claimed they too were merely persecuted and idealistic reformers.

So yes, a false accusation is at least as bad as the alleged sin, if not far worse.



One's differentiation should be honest. There is the usual and commonly understood dictionary definition since the massive moral lessons of WWII, and there is the ludicrous "power structure" definitions developed by the tenured radical leftists of the last 20-30 years. The latter are not 'scholars' in any traditional sense, they are the product of a humanities departments "literary" fads and "studies" departments that have developed a specialized jargon and pet narratives of post modern clap trap.

The traditional understandings of race and prejudice were too simple, and many big issues remedied, from the 60s. So they since then they have spent decades getting grants and fat salaries searching for racism, sexism, patriarchy, ableism, genderism etc. with broader defintions, uncovering its "subtle" and "hidden" forms everywhere. And from this spun lots of new fads since the 90s: white privileging, intersectionality, whiteness critical studies, structural racism (which is now broader than the prior institutional racism).

And with all these, new faculty positions and departments for the socalled "scholars" of identity politics.

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Agreed. Nice.

maxparrish said:

A false accusation of racism is not necessarily racist, but it is at least as, or perhaps MORE, morally offensive than when an expression of racism is found. .

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Lunacy. Your saying it doesn't make it any more true.

Herkamer63 said:

See what I mean, guys? They can't stand it when you call them that. They whine and moan like babies giving birth to other babies. We non-Leftists have to put up with being called racist and white supremacists, or uncle Toms, or whatever, everyday. We're still standing. The Left isn't. They STILL can't get over the fact Donald Trump won the 2016 election, and there is great fear on their side that NO MATTER who their nominee is for 2020, Trump is going to win in a landslide. The Mueller (Weisman) report failed to get rid of him. The Access Hollywood video didn't stop him from winning. The whole Stormy Daniels thing didn't do anything. Trump's tough talk on North Korea didn't start a war with them (in fact, they're still engaged in peace talks). The rhetoric of Trump separating kids from families isn't doing anything. And these are just a small fraction of what they've tried.

Now, they're reduced to name calling. The Left has NOTHING to go after him on. They're just hoping and praying to Obama that accusing Trump of being a white supremacist works, and so far, it hasn't. They're even going as far as accusing his supporters and the people who voted for him, which all consists of whites, blacks, Hispanics, Indians, Asians, etc, as being white supremacists. They're going to continue to do it, like this guy who's attempting to call me as such, because they think it's going to help in their crusade to shut us up. What they're too ignorant to understand is Trump's support has gone up and his base expanded. Let them whine, b!tch, and moan. It's not going to do anything except help Trump. White supremacy is only attached to the Left, and that history hasn't been erased and still continues today.

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This thread should be a reminder to all that the Trump resistors/leftists are the only group who have ever had their widdle fweeeeeeelings hurt.
Such victims, I tell ya.... Tucker Carlson slammed their phony m/o, ( also described brilliantly by you in your second paragraph above), out of the park.

Mr Person said:

Lunacy. Your saying it doesn't make it any more true.

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Thank you for your exhaustive contribution.

trixare4kids said:

This thread should be a reminder to all that the Trump resistors/leftists are the only group who have ever had their widdle fweeeeeeelings hurt.
Such victims, I tell ya.... Tucker Carlson slammed their phony m/o, ( also described brilliantly by you in your second paragraph above), out of the park.

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Exactly. At this point in time, with how many times they use these terms, I don't think these people know what white supremacy or racism is. I believe they just know it sounds like a put down just to shut the opposition up because they have ran out of things to criticize us with. These people are so fueled by emotions, I don't know if it's funny (although I'll admit some of it is) or just plain annoying. They say they're rational thinkers, but in reality, they're overly sensitive, spoiled rotten kids in grown up bodies.

Herkamer63 said:

Exactly. At this point in time, with how many times they use these terms, I don't think these people know what white supremacy or racism is. I believe they just know it sounds like a put down just to shut the opposition up because they have ran out of things to criticize us with. These people are so fueled by emotions, I don't know if it's funny (although I'll admit some of it is) or just plain annoying. They say they're rational thinkers, but in reality, they're overly sensitive, spoiled rotten kids in grown up bodies.

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Their feeling of entitlement is their biggest character flaw.
Odd that they are so unaware that they haven't realized that they are narcissistic in their approach to trying to win back the WH.

Mr Person said:

Lunacy. Your saying it doesn't make it any more true.

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As I read his post I wondered where on the morality offense scale fall denial of racism and rationalization of racism. Are they more or less morally offensive than false accusations of racism, I wonder.