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    Re: Fox News' Tucker Carlson calls concerns about white supremacy a "hoax"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Trump is not a white supremacist. Its stupid to even make such a claim. Do yourself a favor, turn off CNN
    Turn off fox news.
    Seeing as Truman is your bar for being a racist.... well nobody is a racist to you unless they do something yuuuuuge.

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    Re: Fox News' Tucker Carlson calls concerns about white supremacy a "hoax"

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    You looked for an excuse to justify some racism and you found it in a very old theory that only very old Liberals and now angry young progressives would try to float.
    You had the two concepts explained to you, with citations, and you appear to be uncomfortable accepting those facts of reality. Sorry Bubb, you're running from this with your figurative tail between your legs. IN return, you've done nothing but insist strenuously that i'm wrong. Doesn't that make you feel weak in debate, when you can't really refute things and just repeating your original claim? It would irk me.
    Suppose I told you that the Mayor of Tuskegee had said "We donít need any more white faces that donít want to be a white voice". Does that sound like it could easily be racist?
    Still baiting I see.

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    Re: Fox News' Tucker Carlson calls concerns about white supremacy a "hoax"

    Quote Originally Posted by Acadia View Post
    Sounds like Antifa.
    Nyeeeh what about antifa nyeeeeh!

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    Re: Fox News' Tucker Carlson calls concerns about white supremacy a "hoax"

    Quote Originally Posted by bomberfox View Post
    Dont think you are going to get it. Im not just making a jab, but think about it a little.
    Uh huh....
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    Re: Fox News' Tucker Carlson calls concerns about white supremacy a "hoax"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    You had the two concepts explained to you, with citations, and you appear to be uncomfortable accepting those facts of reality. Sorry Bubb, you're running from this with your figurative tail between your legs. IN return, you've done nothing but insist strenuously that i'm wrong. Doesn't that make you feel weak in debate, when you can't really refute things and just repeating your original claim? It would irk me. Still baiting I see.
    I don't recall saying you were wrong about anything.
    You've been avoiding taking a position about what YOU believe so saying you're wrong or right isn't possible until you do.

    I said I was against racism of any flavor.
    I'm just trying to nail down what YOU believe.
    - Are you against racism of any flavor?
    - Do you justify some racism?
    - Do you think some racist thoughts can't be called racist due to circumstances?
    C'mon. What are you afraid of?

    You can the first step by answering what I asked several times ... "We don’t need any more white faces that don’t want to be a white voice". Does that sound like it could easily be racist?
    It should be an easy question to answer. Be bold. Give it a try.

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    Re: Fox News' Tucker Carlson calls concerns about white supremacy a "hoax"

    Quote Originally Posted by bomberfox View Post
    Turn off fox news.
    Seeing as Truman is your bar for being a racist.... well nobody is a racist to you unless they do something yuuuuuge.
    I never made any such claim.

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    Re: Fox News' Tucker Carlson calls concerns about white supremacy a "hoax"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    He doesnt, and that is a remarkably stupid thing to say, but thank you for mindlessly repeating what you hear on CNN.
    Not repeating any media source, just the victims, their relatives and friends.

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    Re: Fox News' Tucker Carlson calls concerns about white supremacy a "hoax"

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Would you say an unwarranted accusation of racism is itself racist?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    ...If you assumed we are using racism in the broader context, you might agree that your quesiton itself likely indicates a racist remark, one made by the majority power (white). That likely bothers you, it bothers most people that don't understand racism. It bothered me for 15 years bubbagone, and then one day I figured it out.

    And I do not use the term racism to mean: Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another.
    The only thing that is particularly bothersome is your unwillingness to answer his question without you poisoning the well. If to even ask your opinion is itself racist, then conversation ends - which, one supposes, is at least your subliminal intent.

    For those of us who have not spent the last 15 years in the wilderness finding a new coded rhetoric to discourage unwelcome questions the answer would be very simple:

    A false accusation of racism is not necessarily racist, but it is at least as, or perhaps MORE, morally offensive than when an expression of racism is found. Not only is far more reputationally damaging to an individual, the consequences of a false charge of racism also enables the authentic ideological racist to exploit the increasingly broad and reckless usage against innocents. Just as McCarthy and his supporters reckless charges of communist agentry against ordinary liberal critics had the perverse effects of lending cover to those actual agents, who claimed they too were merely persecuted and idealistic reformers.

    So yes, a false accusation is at least as bad as the alleged sin, if not far worse.

    "Scholars, also commonly define racism not only in terms of individual prejudice, but also in terms of a power structure that protects the interests of the dominant culture and actively discriminates against ethnic minorities.[49][50] From this perspective, while members of ethnic minorities may be prejudiced against members of the dominant culture, they lack the political and economic power to actively oppress them, and they are therefore not practicing "racism".[49][53][54]

    " Racism - Wikipedia

    There is a language problem at the root of this issue though. ... So I feel if there is to be progress on this beyond just a steady organic progress, that definition has to differentiate into two distinct concepts/words.
    One's differentiation should be honest. There is the usual and commonly understood dictionary definition since the massive moral lessons of WWII, and there is the ludicrous "power structure" definitions developed by the tenured radical leftists of the last 20-30 years. The latter are not 'scholars' in any traditional sense, they are the product of a humanities departments "literary" fads and "studies" departments that have developed a specialized jargon and pet narratives of post modern clap trap.

    The traditional understandings of race and prejudice were too simple, and many big issues remedied, from the 60s. So they since then they have spent decades getting grants and fat salaries searching for racism, sexism, patriarchy, ableism, genderism etc. with broader defintions, uncovering its "subtle" and "hidden" forms everywhere. And from this spun lots of new fads since the 90s: white privileging, intersectionality, whiteness critical studies, structural racism (which is now broader than the prior institutional racism).

    And with all these, new faculty positions and departments for the socalled "scholars" of identity politics.
    Last edited by maxparrish; 08-10-19 at 01:27 AM.

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    Re: Fox News' Tucker Carlson calls concerns about white supremacy a "hoax"

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    The only thing that is particularly bothersome is your unwillingness to answer his question without you poisoning the well. If to even ask your opinion is itself racist, then conversation ends - which, one supposes, is at least your subliminal intent.

    For those of us who have not spent the last 15 years in the wilderness finding a new coded rhetoric to discourage unwelcome questions the answer would be very simple:

    A false accusation of racism is not necessarily racist, but it is at least as, or perhaps MORE, morally offensive than when an expression of racism is found. Not only is far more reputationally damaging to an individual, the consequences of a false charge of racism also enables the authentic ideological racist to exploit the increasingly broad and reckless usage against innocents. Just as McCarthy and his supporters reckless charges of communist agentry against ordinary liberal critics had the perverse effects of lending cover to those actual agents, who claimed they too were merely persecuted and idealistic reformers.

    So yes, a false accusation is at least as bad as the alleged sin, if not far worse.



    One's differentiation should be honest. There is the usual and commonly understood dictionary definition since the massive moral lessons of WWII, and there is the ludicrous "power structure" definitions developed by the tenured radical leftists of the last 20-30 years. The latter are not 'scholars' in any traditional sense, they are the product of a humanities departments "literary" fads and "studies" departments that have developed a specialized jargon and pet narratives of post modern clap trap.

    The traditional understandings of race and prejudice were too simple, and many big issues remedied, from the 60s. So they since then they have spent decades getting grants and fat salaries searching for racism, sexism, patriarchy, ableism, genderism etc. with broader defintions, uncovering its "subtle" and "hidden" forms everywhere. And from this spun lots of new fads since the 90s: white privileging, intersectionality, whiteness critical studies, structural racism (which is now broader than the prior institutional racism).

    And with all these, new faculty positions and departments for the socalled "scholars" of identity politics.
    Agreed. Nice.

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    Re: Fox News' Tucker Carlson calls concerns about white supremacy a "hoax"

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    A false accusation of racism is not necessarily racist, but it is at least as, or perhaps MORE, morally offensive than when an expression of racism is found. .
    Lunacy. Your saying it doesn't make it any more true.

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