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    I made a politically neutral explanation of when life begins as a response to media bias

    Looking at the frustrating search results for the question 'when does human life begin' inspired me to attempt a non-biased answer if anyone's interested:

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    Liberal media/pro-choice biased people tend to deny the scientific consensus of when life begins.

    Conservative media/pro-life biased people tend to cite the science correctly to a point but the implications and conclusions drawn go beyond the science.

    Scientific consensus from embryologists: Biological life begins at fertilization. There is a scientific consensus that at the point of fertilization there is an individual biological human life.

    Embryologists will call a zygote a human being but not necessarily a human person. The controversy is not when life begins, it is when personhood begins.

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    Re: I made a politically neutral explanation of when life begins as a response to media bias

    We seem to know when human life ends pretty well. Maybe we should work backwards from there.

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    Re: I made a politically neutral explanation of when life begins as a response to media bias

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    We seem to know when human life ends pretty well. Maybe we should work backwards from there.
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    Re: I made a politically neutral explanation of when life begins as a response to media bias

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    Re: I made a politically neutral explanation of when life begins as a response to media bias

    Quote Originally Posted by RyanCMooney View Post
    Looking at the frustrating search results for the question 'when does human life begin' inspired me to attempt a non-biased answer if anyone's interested:

    YouTube

    Summary of the video:

    Liberal media/pro-choice biased people tend to deny the scientific consensus of when life begins.

    Conservative media/pro-life biased people tend to cite the science correctly to a point but the implications and conclusions drawn go beyond the science.

    Scientific consensus from embryologists: Biological life begins at fertilization. There is a scientific consensus that at the point of fertilization there is an individual biological human life.

    Embryologists will call a zygote a human being but not necessarily a human person. The controversy is not when life begins, it is when personhood begins.
    Firstly, you should probably have placed this topic in the abortion forum. Secondly, YouTube video's are generally a poor source choice.

    And lastly, your "non-biased" explanation is anything but.


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    Re: I made a politically neutral explanation of when life begins as a response to media bias

    The question is not when human life begins, it's when personhood begins. You missed.

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    Re: I made a politically neutral explanation of when life begins as a response to media bias

    youtube videos suck.

    Anti-abortion people deliberately conflate the question of "at what stage does a fetus amount to a person such that it should have the full rights of a person?" with that of "at what stage can we say that a thing is "life"?" Naturally, this involves putting the cart before the horse. They intend to arrive at the conclusion that abortion is wrong, so they assume that the question is the latter. It isn't. It's the former. The question is "when does personhood begin." (After all, killing a person can be murder, but killing "biological life" isn't).

    Roe got it right by saying: look, it's impossible to say definitively when personhood is attained and clearly the mother has some degree of right about what goes on in her body, so let's just say that if the fetus can survive outside, its rights reign supreme and it should not be aborted. Until then, women's choice prevails.

    That's the closest we'll get to a non-biased approach.

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    Re: I made a politically neutral explanation of when life begins as a response to media bias

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Firstly, you should probably have placed this topic in the abortion forum. Secondly, YouTube video's are generally a poor source choice.

    And lastly, your "non-biased" explanation is anything but.
    That's fair. I put it here to talk about the media bias element of it but you're right. I did try my hardest give a non-biased take on the question though. Where did you see bias?

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    Re: I made a politically neutral explanation of when life begins as a response to media bias

    Quote Originally Posted by RyanCMooney View Post
    Looking at the frustrating search results for the question 'when does human life begin' inspired me to attempt a non-biased answer if anyone's interested:

    YouTube

    Summary of the video:

    Liberal media/pro-choice biased people tend to deny the scientific consensus of when life begins.

    Conservative media/pro-life biased people tend to cite the science correctly to a point but the implications and conclusions drawn go beyond the science.

    Scientific consensus from embryologists: Biological life begins at fertilization. There is a scientific consensus that at the point of fertilization there is an individual biological human life.

    Embryologists will call a zygote a human being but not necessarily a human person. The controversy is not when life begins, it is when personhood begins.
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    Re: I made a politically neutral explanation of when life begins as a response to media bias

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The question is not when human life begins, it's when personhood begins. You missed.
    Why when personhood begins, and not when life begins, if it is a human life especially? It's clear when life begins, a human life, but personhood is a sketchy term.

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