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    Re: Absolutely Shocked and Amazed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    This might help you: 2016 Cert FISC Memo Opin Order Apr 2017 (4) (351K views)

    Now...I know you won't want to actually read that ruling by Judge Collyer...
    Actually, I did read her "Conclusion". And although I did read up to page 16, I don't have time presently to read the entire Memorandum of Opinion and Order and from what I could tell, the MOO doesn't seem to support your claim of improper procedures or unauthorized use of FISA warrants. In fact, the conclusion states quite the opposite.

    First off, on page 6, subparagraph B(C) under "Background - Subject Matter of the Certifications", it reads:

    Each 2016 certification involves the targeting of non-U.S. persons reasonably believed to be located outside the U.S. to acquire foreign intelligence."
    This would clearly indicated that the FISA warrants were not meant to "spy" on any U.S. citizen.

    Second, I think footnote 13 on page 12 which defines "foreign intelligence information" may be of interest to you.

    Third, from my quick review of the MOO it would appear that the NSA did make some questionable inquires into individuals within their system, but it doesn't appear that those inquiries were malicious.

    Fourth, Judge Rosemary M. Collier concluded that the Certificates as amended met proper procedural guidelines and did not violate anyone's 4th Amendment rights.

    I'll probably read over the entire MOO at a later date when I have time, but from what I've read so far it would appear that the Obama Administration followed the law and adhered to proper guidelines for obtaining FISA warrants. Of course, Judge Collier added a few new stipulations herself as to how the government should go about obtaining FISA warrants in the future, as well as, adding a few reporting requirements/guidelines to follow, but overall it doesn't appear that she found anything improper as to how the Obama Administration went about obtaining FISA warrants.

    (sidenote: Per the MOO, NSA is "the lead agency in making targeting decisions under Section 702" where surveillance which may lead to obtaining a FISA warrant is concerned. I came across that tidbit while skimming over the MOO...can't recall exact which page I read it, but it's there.
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    Re: Absolutely Shocked and Amazed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    I must admit I was shocked back on October 4, 2015 when CBS debuted Full Measure, a 30 minute Sunday morning news program hosted by the totally unbiased journalist extraordinaire, Sharyl Attkisson.

    And I'm amazed it survived for three and a half years, considering it regularly reports extremely important news (complete with details and facts) that MSM/Cable News have long avoided, twisted, sugar coated, and even faked.

    I applaud those MSM affiliates for their courage to break rank with the Progressive status-quo by airing Full Measure. (even if it is for only 30 minutes a week)

    Thank you Sinclair Broadcast Group and thank you Sharyl Attkisson...you ROCK girlfriend!
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    Re: Absolutely Shocked and Amazed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Actually, I did read her "Conclusion". And although I did read up to page 16, I don't have time presently to read the entire Memorandum of Opinion and Order and from what I could tell, the MOO doesn't seem to support your claim of improper procedures or unauthorized use of FISA warrants. In fact, the conclusion states quite the opposite.

    First off, on page 6, subparagraph B(C) under "Background - Subject Matter of the Certifications", it reads:



    This would clearly indicated that the FISA warrants were not meant to "spy" on any U.S. citizen.

    Second, I think footnote 13 on page 12 which defines "foreign intelligence information" may be of interest to you.

    Third, from my quick review of the MOO it would appear that the NSA did make some questionable inquires into individuals within their system, but it doesn't appear that those inquiries were malicious.

    Fourth, Judge Rosemary M. Collier concluded that the Certificates as amended met proper procedural guidelines and did not violate anyone's 4th Amendment rights.

    I'll probably read over the entire MOO at a later date when I have time, but from what I've read so far it would appear that the Obama Administration followed the law and adhered to proper guidelines for obtaining FISA warrants. Of course, Judge Collier added a few new stipulations herself as to how the government should go about obtaining FISA warrants in the future, as well as, adding a few reporting requirements/guidelines to follow, but overall it doesn't appear that she found anything improper as to how the Obama Administration went about obtaining FISA warrants.

    (sidenote: Per the MOO, NSA is "the lead agency in making targeting decisions under Section 702" where surveillance which may lead to obtaining a FISA warrant is concerned. I came across that tidbit while skimming over the MOO...can't recall exact which page I read it, but it's there.
    I'll wait till you finish reading so you'll know what we are talking about later. But I'll leave you with these two snippets. These are important, though not the only important things in the ruling.

    fisa-abuse-error-rate-v3.jpg

    Think about that...85% of NSA database searches were illegal and that had been going on since 2012.

    fisa-abuse-improper-decisionmaking.jpg

    And this means this happened as the result of a deliberate decision made by people in the Obama administration.
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    Re: Absolutely Shocked and Amazed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    I must admit I was shocked back on October 4, 2015 when CBS debuted Full Measure, a 30 minute Sunday morning news program hosted by the totally unbiased journalist extraordinaire, Sharyl Attkisson.
    Thanks for the heads up. I have now added her to my podcast list. Incidentally, the description of her on the Google stream is as follows for all those haters out there: " Sharyl Attkisson is a nonpartisan investigative journalist, five-time Emmy Award winner, and recipient of the Edward R. Murrow award for investigative reporting... For thirty years, Atkisson was a correspondent and anchor at CBS News, PBS, CNN and in local news...Emmy Award for...undercover investigation into fundraising by Republican freshmen... "

    I recently terminated my NPR Politics podcast after listening to Mara Liason, Pete Dominico, et. al. discuss Russian collusion for hours without any mention whatsoever of the Steele Dossier and how the entire Russia collusion conspiracy started. NPR has truly become hack journalism. And we pay for it. What a farce.
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    Re: Absolutely Shocked and Amazed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I'll wait till you finish reading so you'll know what we are talking about later. But I'll leave you with these two snippets. These are important, though not the only important things in the ruling.

    fisa-abuse-error-rate-v3.jpg

    Think about that...85% of NSA database searches were illegal and that had been going on since 2012.

    fisa-abuse-improper-decisionmaking.jpg

    And this means this happened as the result of a deliberate decision made by people in the Obama administration.
    It is interesting that the ratio of redactions in just those two pages is considerably higher than we saw in the Mueller Report.
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    Re: Absolutely Shocked and Amazed!

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    This may be a crazy question, but which of you who've posted here have actually watched the 6-minute clip?
    A lot more than actually believe what she says. She failed to get an independent examination of her computer and as an anti-vaccer has shown evidence of dementia. She is also prone to psychotic episodes no doubt.
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