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It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD

Mitchell Goldberg comments on the Op's essay:

On Saturday, the left-wing writer Matt Taibbi published a widely shared essay calling Russiagate “this generation’s W.M.D.,” a national security hoax, abetted by a credulous media, akin to the one that justified the Iraq War. “The biggest thing this affair has uncovered so far is Donald Trump paying off a porn star,” he wrote.

That’s silly. The biggest thing this affair has uncovered is that throughout much of the presidential campaign, Trump was seeking to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. The deal had the potential to make hundreds of millions of dollars for the Trump Organization, and Trump’s lawyer solicited the Russian government’s help to get it done. After the election, Trump lied about the deal to the American people. Vladimir Putin knew the truth, giving him leverage over Trump. Is that the only leverage he had?
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I think one of the more interesting things about this thread is how the anti-Trump denizens have created a small microcosm to demonstrate the problems detailed by Taibbi in the article.

They have all drawn an opinion of the source material without actually reading it in much the same way the news media acts as stenographers for their favorite politicians without doing any real work on their own.

Good job, anti-Trumpers, you all shouted over each other trying to be the most noticeably ignorant contributor to this thread. You all get a participation trophy.
 
The Russiagate thing is rather like congressional democrats telling the media to "jump", and they respond by saying "how high?"
 
jmotivator said:
It'''s official: Russiagate is this generation'''s WMD

"Stories have been coming out for some time now hinting Mueller’s final report might leave audiences “disappointed,” as if a President not being a foreign spy could somehow be bad news.

Openly using such language has, all along, been an indictment. Imagine how tone-deaf you’d have to be to not realize it makes you look bad, when news does not match audience expectations you raised. To be unaware of this is mind-boggling, the journalistic equivalent of walking outside without pants."

Matthew Taibbi nails it. The amount of "hope" that the press built in Democrat and Anti-Trump groups that the US President was a Russian spy is simply disgusting. Every single lead from unnamed officials assuring that Mueller would be indicting Trump were lies, every assurance that there was ample evidence to prove it was a lie specifically intended to sew distrust in US election system, the President, and the system as a whole.

In other words, it all favored Putin's ultimate goal of sewing distrust, and the new media obliged with great gusto.

In the end, Trump's position has been more than vindicated..

Fake news? You bet. Every single story about Trump's "collusion" was based on lies.

Media acting against the best interest of the country? Absolutely. They fed hysteria and division on a lie.

Deep state? Yes. Go back and look at the assurances that Federal officials (named and anonymous) gave the press that in the end Trump would be in jail... and baseless lies.

For those who cheered on Mueller as a the savior from a Russian plot... hey, you were right, but you had the wrong target.
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It's funny the different takeaways people have of this.

Mine is, my goodness, how utterly despicable and trashy does a president have to be to inspire over half a country to hope he's a traitor so they have a reason to get rid of him. :lol:

As you guys are all celebrating his "vindication", remember, no one needed this to be true to hate the man, he brought that on himself. They wanted this to be true because they wanted to see the man they hate suffer and be removed as someone who influences their life.

I think you know as well as I do...at the end of the day, this changes nothing but the chapter in the political drama. Something to bear in mind the next time you guys vote someone in...no matter how much you like their ideologies, if they can't get along they're not going to get anything done, and you'll have another four years of this nightmare. I think the right thought they were slapping the left with Trump...but as I tell my 6 year old when we're play fighting, you better make the first hit a knockout, because I'm coming to get you if you don't....hehe...

As for me, I'm glad I stuck mostly to "have the investigation, make up your mind when the results are in"... But it made for entertaining reading to see everyone on both sides getting bent and twisted over it all... :lol:
 
OlNate said:
It's funny the different takeaways people have of this.

Mine is, my goodness, how utterly despicable and trashy does a president have to be to inspire over half a country to hope he's a traitor so they have a reason to get rid of him. :lol:

As you guys are all celebrating his "vindication", remember, no one needed this to be true to hate the man, he brought that on himself. They wanted this to be true because they wanted to see the man they hate suffer and be removed as someone who influences their life.

I think you know as well as I do...at the end of the day, this changes nothing but the chapter in the political drama. Something to bear in mind the next time you guys vote someone in...no matter how much you like their ideologies, if they can't get along they're not going to get anything done, and you'll have another four years of this nightmare. I think the right thought they were slapping the left with Trump...but as I tell my 6 year old when we're play fighting, you better make the first hit a knockout, because I'm coming to get you if you don't....hehe...

As for me, I'm glad I stuck mostly to "have the investigation, make up your mind when the results are in"... But it made for entertaining reading to see everyone on both sides getting bent and twisted over it all... :lol:
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Guess what? Trump could have zero involvement with Russia (although he did) and still be a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, autocrat and trashy human being with no business being president of the US. The issue of Trump being a national security risk, due to his involvement with his Russian business deals, had not been settled by Barr's memo. That's exactly why the full report of Mueller needs to be made public.
 
OlNate said:
It's funny the different takeaways people have of this.

Mine is, my goodness, how utterly despicable and trashy does a president have to be to inspire over half a country to hope he's a traitor so they have a reason to get rid of him. :lol:
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Or how trashy his detractors are. He's the one who has been wrongfully accused of being a Russian puppet... and that's his fault? :roll:

As you guys are all celebrating his "vindication", remember, no one needed this to be true to hate the man, he brought that on himself. They wanted this to be true because they wanted to see the man they hate suffer and be removed as someone who influences their life.
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Hate needs no reason, as I am sure you are aware. Where hate breeds is when you convince yourself of reasons to hate people, especially when many of those reasons prove to be untrue.

I think you know as well as I do...at the end of the day, this changes nothing but the chapter in the political drama. Something to bear in mind the next time you guys vote someone in...no matter how much you like their ideologies, if they can't get along they're not going to get anything done, and you'll have another four years of this nightmare. I think the right thought they were slapping the left with Trump...but as I tell my 6 year old when we're play fighting, you better make the first hit a knockout, because I'm coming to get you if you don't....hehe...
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Trump has gotten quite a bit done. You should probably take that advice and apply it to the Democrat #Resistance... do you think they are trying to get along with anyone? Nah.

If you really believe that we need to cooperate then you'll need to find ways to get along with Trump. If you can't then any plea for cooperation is just hypocritical. You also have to accept that in light of the fact that the blistering press assault, and assurance of guilt by Waters, Schiff, etc., etc. of the last 2 years on Russiagate has proven to be untrue, so Trump has a pretty good reason to be pissed at the media and Democrat leadership.

As for me, I'm glad I stuck mostly to "have the investigation, make up your mind when the results are in"... But it made for entertaining reading to see everyone on both sides getting bent and twisted over it all... :lol:
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Well, we have spent two years watching the left wing meltdown on bogus, anonymous "government official" leaks and tips that all proved to be bull****. If you want to focus on what is REALLY wrong with the divide in US politics then read the Taibbi article and ponder how much of the fear and hate that was generated in this country y the media who unquestioningly passed on false rumors by unnamed sources.
 
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MTAtech said:
Guess what? Trump could have zero involvement with Russia (although he did) and still be a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, autocrat and trashy human being with no business being president of the US. The issue of Trump being a national security risk, due to his involvement with his Russian business deals, had not been settled by Barr's memo. That's exactly why the full report of Mueller needs to be made public.
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For sure...I'm just saying, if conservatives are hoping for redemption for Trump here, it's not going to happen. Trump is a loser first and foremost because large portions of the country view him is irredeemable.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Mueller is saying there is no evidence of a conspiracy between Russia and Trump. He didn't say there wasn't sufficient evidence to prove a conspiracy. He said no evidence.
So upon what basis was there a "legitimate" investigation?
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First, quote Mueller and link for us, to back your claim, or withdraw it.

Second, the investigation was, for the zillionth time:
FBI counterintelligence investigation into the Russian crime of hacking the DNC and electronic interference
FBI investigation into Trump's buddy Michael Flynn, A national security advisor under FBI investigation (Turkey)
FBI investigation into Manafort, ramped back up during the Trump campaign

Once Trump fired Comey, it was evidence of obstruction of justice, to which Rosenstein appropriately appointed a special counsel in teh DOJ, rather than directed by the FBI, to roll up those investigations plus the question of obstruction.
The primary reason this was done was to shield the investigation from POTUS, who appeared to want to derail the investigation.

I know your posts are just trollish posts, I just felt like correcting on of the dozens.
 
Mach said:
First, quote Mueller and link for us, to back your claim, or withdraw it.

Second, the investigation was, for the zillionth time:
FBI counterintelligence investigation into the Russian crime of hacking the DNC and electronic interference
FBI investigation into Trump's buddy Michael Flynn, A national security advisor under FBI investigation (Turkey)
FBI investigation into Manafort, ramped back up during the Trump campaign

Once Trump fired Comey, it was evidence of obstruction of justice, to which Rosenstein appropriately appointed a special counsel in teh DOJ, rather than directed by the FBI, to roll up those investigations plus the question of obstruction.
The primary reason this was done was to shield the investigation from POTUS, who appeared to want to derail the investigation.

I know your posts are just trollish posts, I just felt like correcting on of the dozens.
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1. It's right there in the memo from Barr "No evidence"

2a.Let us not re-write history here. The Rosenstein directive specified that Mueller was to investigate coordination between Trump and Russia.
2b. But yes, he was appointed to continue a Comey counter-intelligence investigation, not criminal investigation, (which meant there was no obstruction of justice when Comey was fired).

3. I have been saying all along no collusion, no obstruction.
I'll toot my own horn now: I was right.
 
Born Free said:
Thanks for the clarification. For certain Obama was a "Traitor"
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If that is true, why isn't he in prison ? 'Certainly' the U.S. doesn't allow 'Traitor's' to roam the streets under the protection of government funded Secret Service agents, does it ?. Please post the link that validates your claim that 'for certain' Obama is a traitor, as evidently none of the MSM media outlets, including FOX NEWS has ever reported such a claim. i'm sensing that is another of your claims you can't/won't support with factual proof. Are you going to prove me wrong ?......waiting...tick tock...tick tock...tick tock....
 
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Logician Man said:
If that is true, why isn't he in prison ? 'Certainly' the U.S. doesn't allow 'Traitor's' to roam the streets under the protection of government funded Secret Service agents, does it ?.
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Look no further than the DOJ and the FBI under Obama, and you've seen the crooked DOJ and the FBI with many that have been fired, demoted or quit. And the investigations are just now building steam of Obama on down.

Please post the link that validates your claim that 'for certain' Obama is a traitor, as evidently none of the MSM media outlets, including FOX NEWS has ever reported such a claim. i'm sensing that is another of your claims you can't/won't support with factual proof. Are you going to prove me wrong ?......waiting...tick tock...tick tock...tick tock....
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For 2.5 years you were 100% certain TRump colluded with the Russians, and during those years all you did was post up false commentary as fact.

I stand by my comments.
 
Athanasius68 said:
1. It's right there in the memo from Barr "No evidence"
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Surely you can quote it.
2a.Let us not re-write history here. The Rosenstein directive specified that Mueller was to investigate coordination between Trump and Russia.
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That's the facts, sorry you don't like them.
Mueller was appointed because Trump fired Comey. All of those investigations listed were rolled into Mueller's investigation because they may have all been related.
As to obstruction, we'll have to see the report. Barr believes president's can't obstruct with presidential powers, which is absurd.
 
Born Free said:
Look no further than the DOJ and the FBI under Obama, and you've seen the crooked DOJ and the FBI with many that have been fired, demoted or quit. And the investigations are just now building steam of Obama on down.



For 2.5 years you were 100% certain TRump colluded with the Russians, and during those years all you did was post up false commentary as fact.

I stand by my comments.
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Wrong again B.F. I 'always' said wait for the report to be released. If you can find any post in which I claimed Trump was guilty of collusion, present it. You really ought to think a little more before posting fallacies, as it makes you look silly, desperate, and further diminishes your credibility. You want to stand by your unsupported claims, go right ahead. All that does is show you are doubling down on one of the most ridiculous posts you've ever made....and Lord knows there have a plethora of those. 'trader' vs. 'traitor' immediately comes to mind, for one example. That's 3rd grade stuff.
 
Logician Man said:
Wrong again B.F. I 'always' said wait for the report to be released. If you can find any post in which I claimed Trump was guilty of collusion, present it. You really ought to think a little more before posting fallacies, as it makes you look silly, desperate, and further diminishes your credibility. You want to stand by your unsupported claims, go right ahead. All that does is show you are doubling down on one of the most ridiculous posts you've ever made....and Lord knows there have a plethora of those. 'trader' vs. 'traitor' immediately comes to mind, for one example. That's 3rd grade stuff.
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Nice Try, Nice Try, there are so many of you liberals, that were 100% certain that Trump colluded with the Russians and most still believe it. So what are you going to do, get the AG to appoint another Mueller to investigate Mueller's investigation, in an effort to prove Mueller wrong. Come on what's your next step to bring down Trump for collusion and obstruction. You can put all your marbles with Adam Schiff, be still believes Trump Colluded with the Russians, I guess Mueller missed what Schiff didn't. Schiff has had all that evidence of Trump collusion for well over a year, but no one has seen it. I think he's your only hope to bring down Trump, but the odds are "0" for Schiff to find any factual evidence of collusion.
 
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