Ted Koppel: "Establishment Press" Decided That Trump Is Bad For The United States, "Out To Get Him"

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This is what our country has come to:

Brit Hume: Journalists Believe Trump Presidency A National Emergency, Have Duty As Patriots To Resist It

Got news for these "journalists"... They are not journalists.

BRIT HUME, FOX NEWS: I think it's unmistakably true. I did work with him for many years. He's old school much as I am. We come out of the same tradition, which is neutrality in news coverage, opinions reserved for columnists and editorial writers and in broadcast journalism, you have certain commentators and you have correspondents who cover the news.

Those lines of separation have become increasingly blurred and in the age of Trump, as Kopell suggested, they've gone completely out the window because of the sense among journalists that the election of Donald Trump constituted a national emergency and it was their duty as patriots to resist it and to do all that they could to undo this presidency, which they have assiduously tried to do and we see it reflected constantly.

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trixare4kids said:

This is what our country has come to:
Brit Hume: Journalists Believe Trump Presidency A National Emergency, Have Duty As Patriots To Resist It
Got news for these "journalists"... They are not journalists.

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Today Trix posts a clip from Fox news.
Yesterday, Trix claimed she doesn't watch Fox news.

Full post for reference:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/bias...test-hire-donna-brazile-7.html#post1069841566

Told you your posts are phony.

Wait, do you just forward clips without watching? That would be just as amusing.

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Chomsky said:

In general, I agree. Though in a democratic society, they are supposed to be a proper Fourth Estate check to government power.

But Koppel did not say the media was not being accurate. In fact, in my quote he says they are indeed doing "good journalism."

The way I read this, was that Koppel seems to be saying the journalists' investigations have led them to believe Trump is bad for America.

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And of course, Koppel was a long-time member of that group; any chance he might be just a tad prejudice in their favor? Or maybe subtly expressing his own views on Trump? I don't see him as an honest broker.

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Vidi said:

Is it propaganda though?

Does it have to be lies to be propaganda? Or is it just spin?

If I say the Saddam Hussein regime that has a different connotation than if I said the Saddam Hussein administration.

All media has spin. Every journalist had bias. But is it inaccurate?

If I say Trump said we shouldn’t cut social security while campaigning but his latest budget proposes social security cuts, is that biased?


I don’t care if something is biased. I know the colorful words that create that bias. All I care about is of the facts are accurate. I have a brain. I’ll figure the rest out for myself

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Red:
If whatever a news story's theme is fails to comport with factual and contextual truth, it can be propaganda or "spin" or lies, or whatever else one may call it so long as one doesn't call it the truth and representationally faithful. If, however, the story's theme comports with factual and contextual truth, verisimility, it's legitimate, representationally faithful, accurate, fair, etc.


Blue:
Basically, I'm of the same mind.

In analytical articles, I care whether the correlations/inferences are representationally faithful and sound/cogent.

If/when I see "Author A" an essay that says "such and such a study found X" and the author proceeds to rely on X for the substance of his thesis, and then, upon reading the study, I find that "X's" facts and/or context doesn't align with "A's" thesis, "A's" analysis become irrelevant in my mind. If I start to notice "A" routinely availing his analysis of contextomy or other misrepresentational tactics, I just stop reading his prose.

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Mach said:

Today Trix posts a clip from Fox news.
Yesterday, Trix claimed she doesn't watch Fox news.

Full post for reference:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/bias...test-hire-donna-brazile-7.html#post1069841566

Told you your posts are phony.

Wait, do you just forward clips without watching? That would be just as amusing.

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You're off topic again.
Pay attention.
I posted a link from Real Clear Politics.
Brit Hume: Journalists Believe Trump Presidency A National Emergency, Have Duty As Patriots To Resist It | Video | RealClearPolitics

Now before you attempt to disparage my personal character again, you probably should run along...

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trixare4kids said:

Yes, and even though he's probably not a Trump fan, (I've read that he is a liberal), he knows and says what these reporters are doing is so wrong.
Yes, on this, he sides with the president. The establishment press is out to get Trump by posting fake news...

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The interesting thing is Koppel may be a liberal, but he is an objective honest journalist - first and foremost. I always liked him since his Nightline days.

But you know, a lot of the older Dems like the ones I know and grew-up with would be considered Blue Dogs today. They were the JFK Dems. Big on the working-class, strong on equal opportunity, but moderate in other stuff like social programs and things in their personal lives. I knew a lot of Catholic Dems like that. They'd never consider an abortion, and if they ever had to take a government assistance dollar, they would hide it from their friends and neighbors out of pride and embarrassment. "Dems with dignity", is the way I'd describe them. I miss them!

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Bullseye said:

And of course, Koppel was a long-time member of that group; any chance he might be just a tad prejudice in their favor? Or maybe subtly expressing his own views on Trump? I don't see him as an honest broker.

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I am sure he is.
Honestly, I don't know how he can call them good journalists when they keep doing what they're doing; going after Trump because they hate him, and pretending it's journalism.

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Chomsky said:

The interesting thing is Koppel may be a liberal, but he is an objective honest journalist - first and foremost. I always liked him since his Nightline days.

But you know, a lot of the older Dems like the ones I know and grew-up with would be considered Blue Dogs today. They were the JFK Dems. Big on the working-class, strong on equal opportunity, but moderate in other stuff like social programs and things in their personal lives. I knew a lot of Catholic Dems like that. They'd never consider an abortion, and if they ever had to take a government assistance dollar, they would hide it from their friends and neighbors out of pride and embarrassment. "Dems with dignity", is the way I'd describe them. I miss them!

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Then, you miss me!
I was exactly the kind of Democrat you described; formerly from Chicago too but you knew that.

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Bullseye said:

And of course, Koppel was a long-time member of that group; any chance he might be just a tad prejudice in their favor? Or maybe subtly expressing his own views on Trump? I don't see him as an honest broker.

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Actually, I've tempered my opinion a bit after watching the entire video embedded in the article, and hearing his words in context.

In fact, Koppel seems to be coming at the media pretty hard - here.

I posted my changed opinion in my reply to Trix upthread, and here it is if you're interested:

Chomsky said:

Well, I watched the video embedding in the article this time. Koppel is indeed unhappily complaining of the "get Trump" bias. He does not like it, and thinks it's wrong. He believes Trump has given the media lots to go after. But he does not like what they are doing in their bias. So alright, he's siding with Trump of sorts.

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trixare4kids said:

I am sure he is.
Honestly, I don't know how he can call them good journalists when they keep doing what they're doing; going after Trump because they hate him, and pretending it's journalism.

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I guess you could call them "good half-journalists"; give them a story that supports their ideologists and they are indefatigable chasing down leads, researching up a storm, etc. Example: Kavenaugh's alleged sex assault. Give them an open and shut case against a lefty and they sit on their hands. The Clintons, for example

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trixare4kids said:

Then, you miss me!
I was exactly the kind of Democrat you described; formerly from Chicago too but you knew that.

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It's called old-school Midwestern sensibilities, Trix.

Chicago is indeed liberal - in some ways. It's also conservative - in others. It's main thing is "diverse". There's literally everything represented.

It needs to be taken in context of "Greater Chicagoland", comprised of 6M souls in the city, 'burbs and ex-urbs, and then it's plopped down in the middle of the upper Midwest! And that too, has an effect. And I think it's a very good one.

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Bullseye said:

I guess you could call them "good half-journalists"; give them a story that supports their ideologists and they are indefatigable chasing down leads, researching up a storm, etc. Example: Kavenaugh's alleged sex assault. Give them an open and shut case against a lefty and they sit on their hands. The Clintons, for example

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That's for sure!
It appears to be all about their vigorous desire to get him out of office "any which way 'they' can." (pun)

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Carjosse said:

Because Fox News praised Obama all the time and never ever criticized him for ridiculous reasons and continues to do so with many Democrats. The right wing and Trump himself also a problem with seeing any criticism of Trump meaning that a news organization is "out to get him".

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Sampson Simpson said:

They are just mad that as usual, liberals actually have facts and particular reasons for their criticism of Trump. Things he has actually said and done, unlike the fictional stuff they had to make up about Obama.

The right wing are despicable human beings

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rocket88 said:

Tan suit-gate

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Lol....ya'll mad that you only own 90% of the media outlets instead of a full 100% monopoly? Get a cape, then you can be super mad.

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Fishking said:

Lol....ya'll mad that you only own 90% of the media outlets instead of a full 100% monopoly? Get a cape, then you can be super mad.

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The topic of the thread is the "media meanies." It was pointed out that they are on both sides, and you were triggered. Do you need your safe space where nobody dares criticize St. Rupert?

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rocket88 said:

The topic of the thread is the "media meanies." It was pointed out that they are on both sides, and you were triggered. Do you need your safe space where nobody dares criticize St. Rupert?

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No, the topic of the thread is bias in the media, when the significant majority of the media swings a particular way, that is a problem. In case you missed it, the person being quoted isn't a righty. Glad I could straighten you out there.

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Mach said:

Today Trix posts a clip from Fox news.
Yesterday, Trix claimed she doesn't watch Fox news.

Full post for reference:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/bias...test-hire-donna-brazile-7.html#post1069841566

Told you your posts are phony.

Wait, do you just forward clips without watching? That would be just as amusing.

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I haven't watched CNN since about 1998, but that doesn't mean I haven't seen CNN news clips posted elsewhere. The link to the Brit Hume quote is from Real Clear Politics. And about what Hume says, I think he's making a valid point about old-school journalism. Most people, you know, had no idea how left Walter Cronkite leaned until he was retired. An honorable journo reports the news; he or she doesn't shape it.

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Carjosse said:

Because Fox News praised Obama all the time and never ever criticized him for ridiculous reasons and continues to do so with many Democrats. The right wing and Trump himself also a problem with seeing any criticism of Trump meaning that a news organization is "out to get him".

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Fear not, liberal interest have now taken over FOX.

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nota bene said:

I haven't watched CNN since about 1998, but that doesn't mean I haven't seen CNN news clips posted elsewhere. The link to the Brit Hume quote is from Real Clear Politics. And about what Hume says, I think he's making a valid point about old-school journalism. Most people, you know, had no idea how left Walter Cronkite leaned until he was retired. An honorable journo reports the news; he or she doesn't shape it.

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Count me as one of the ones that didn't know!

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Fishking said:

No, the topic of the thread is bias in the media, when the significant majority of the media swings a particular way, that is a problem. In case you missed it, the person being quoted isn't a righty. Glad I could straighten you out there.

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So bias one way is acceptable? Personally, I think bias both ways is acceptable and is the way it has always been in this country. You're sore that there are people in this country who don't worship your God-Emperor.

The topic of the forum is media bias. The topic of the thread is a bunch of people in the media are mean to Trump. If you can't read or think. not my problem.

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Every criticism of Trump is based on his deplorable actions, his administrations corruption, his constant lies and idiotic words

Unlike Fox news that even yesterday was showing stories of Hillary emails instead of teh Kushner story.

Again, right wingers can whine all they want, as usual they don't have fact on their side

Mr Person said:

He is bad for the U.S.

Go make another Fox News if you don't like it, instead of crying about the fact that people and entities are allowed to engage in political speech.

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They are complete and utter assholes, and they prove it everyday with their non stop flood of stupidity

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Sampson Simpson said:

They are just mad that as usual, liberals actually have facts and particular reasons for their criticism of Trump. Things he has actually said and done, unlike the fictional stuff they had to make up about Obama.

The right wing are despicable human beings

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:lol:
I think Koppel was speaking about you...in his column.
:lol:

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Buzz62 said:

:lol:
I think Koppel was speaking about you...in his column.
:lol:

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He was talking about journalists who spew the same kind of biased nonsense instead of reporting facts, so yeah.

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Chomsky said:

Count me as one of the ones that didn't know!

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I didn't know either. I always loved him.
Look back and try and remember when you first saw a major news anchor let his bias to show.
I'm thinking it was Dan Rather.

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trixare4kids said:

Ted Koppel: "Establishment Press" Decided That Trump Is Bad For The United States, "Out To Get Him"



Ted Koppel nailed this and I don't think he's particularly a Trump fan either, but he is a journalist with a whole lot of integrity.

The Trump resistance isn't going to like reading the above.
Trump's been around long enough to know the difference between journalism and biased commentary so when he sees smack on the front page of the Times, he's gonna's call it what it is. Open up google news for instance on almost any given day, and take a look at the headlines coming from the establishment press. That's not journalism! It's propaganda coming from biased leftists doing their best to keep pedaling crap to hurt Trump's reelection chances.

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trump used the press to his advantage for years. Now it's working against him - Boo ****ing hoo.

Perhaps if trump wasn't always acting like a heathen, he'd get better coverage?

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24/7 raging cable news for which the goal is to say anything and all talking all day and night about the same topic has been a disaster for this politics of this country. Truth has become virtually irrelevant and very little news is ever presented - just editorializing in ranting and alarmist ways. One one says they all say - even using the same buzz words.

By claiming anonymous sources they can tell any story and any lie they want to. For example, every network reported the Mueller report would be released to the DOJ last week. Was it? No. The vast majority of anonymous source stories have turned out to be 100% false (ie lies) - false stories to match the editorializing propaganda they want to tell.

An independent free press and medica no longer exists. All are consolidated into half a dozen mega billion dollar global corporations for which their propaganda is all corporate profit motivated. There is no need to make a profit from the newspaper or news show because it is fundamentally for advertising purposes. The Global super rich want the profits of foreign child labor sweatshops, do not want tariffs eating into their profits and want mass immigration to keep domestic wages low. However, they also what massive welfare programs so the government via deficit spending (they make interest money on) must provide for all the Americans they cause to no longer be able to financially make it on their own.

These super rich buy the press and media now to assure Congress dare not challenge anything they do or they will use their press and media outlets to crush those politicians. That is why Amazon, Disney etc are buying up the press and media. With Disney taking over FOX, the last of the non "leftwing" media will soon disappear and Americans will be fed anti-American globalism 24/7.