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Ted Koppel: "Establishment Press" Decided That Trump Is Bad For The United States, "Out To Get Him"

Re: Ted Koppel: "Establishment Press" Decided That Trump Is Bad For The United States, "Out To Get H

nota bene said:
Yes, it has. My hope, though, is that there have been enough embarrassing errors that journos are now revisiting those standards.
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I haven't seen a lick of indication of it.
 
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Harshaw said:
I haven't seen a lick of indication of it.
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Well, the transgressors would have to openly admit their errors. Still, one can hope.
 
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nota bene said:
Well, the transgressors would have to openly admit their errors. Still, one can hope.
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Which, institutionally, they haven't, except for a few strays here and there.

Jim Rutenberg in the New York Times was fairly frank about the motivation:

This is, in many respects, a golden age for journalism.

With a president facing multiple federal and state inquiries — including one into whether a foreign government helped get him elected — the press has come through with some investigative work that can stand with the finest Watergate-era reporting.

Among readers and viewers, there’s a new appreciation for shoe-leather reporting. Clicks and subscriptions are up, welcome news for an industry in shaky financial shape.

But the ultimate prize has proved elusive for the scoop-hungry journalists competing to join the reporters’ pantheon alongside Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, whose methodical news-gathering for The Washington Post helped bring down a president alleged to have broken the law.
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But for the most part, business as usual remains.
 
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Donald Trump sold me on his being a good choice for leading this country.

President Trump soured me on his being qualified to lead this country.

The media can crow until the cows come home but in the end (for me) it's his actions and words spoken that matter.
 
Re: Ted Koppel: "Establishment Press" Decided That Trump Is Bad For The United States, "Out To Get H

nota bene said:
Yes, it has. My hope, though, is that there have been enough embarrassing errors that journos are now revisiting those standards.
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“Standards;” interesting use of that word, just sayin’.
 
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Carjosse said:
Because Fox News praised Obama all the time and never ever criticized him for ridiculous reasons and continues to do so with many Democrats. The right wing and Trump himself also a problem with seeing any criticism of Trump meaning that a news organization is "out to get him".
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So your defense of Fox and the right is boils down to "But, Mommy, Fox did it too! :cry:"?
 
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Vidi said:
Is it propaganda though?

Does it have to be lies to be propaganda? Or is it just spin?

If I say the Saddam Hussein regime that has a different connotation than if I said the Saddam Hussein administration.

All media has spin. Every journalist had bias. But is it inaccurate?

If I say Trump said we shouldn’t cut social security while campaigning but his latest budget proposes social security cuts, is that biased?


I don’t care if something is biased. I know the colorful words that create that bias. All I care about is of the facts are accurate. I have a brain. I’ll figure the rest out for myself
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Trump ISN'T "cutting" Social Security. His budget is just forecasting lower revenues because Boomer continue to retire. Social Security benefits are paid from current payroll taxes.
 
Re: Ted Koppel: "Establishment Press" Decided That Trump Is Bad For The United States, "Out To Get H

Chomsky said:
I think Koppel is right in general terms, though as long as the media is doing it's best to report accurately, I don't see a problem. In Koppel's example, how could the media not cover that story (Access Hollywood)?

A lot of citizens are alarmed by Trump, my self included. And with the media generally being educated and aware, I don't see it unusually that they aren't alarmed as well.

I always liked Ted Koppel, BTW ...
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I don't think the media IS trying to report accurately. And most of today's media aren't "educated" they're programed by the overwhelming liberal bias in academia.


It's like the time Trump was out on his yacht and spotted a drowning man about fifty yards of the port side. Trump stepped over the gunwale, walked over to the man and carried him back to the yacht.

Next day headlines in bout the NY Times and Washington Post read: "Trump can't swim!".
 
Re: Ted Koppel: "Establishment Press" Decided That Trump Is Bad For The United States, "Out To Get H

trixare4kids said:
Koppel is on the up and up. He sees what many of us see on a daily basis.
Maybe this will convince you.
Former NYT Editor Jill Abramson: Media is Anti-Trump
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I'm not denying what Koppel's claiming here.

"I turned to my wife and I said the Times is absolutely committed to making sure that this guy does not get elected," he said. "So his perception that the establishment press is out to get him doesn’t mean that great journalism is not being done. It is.

But the notion that most of us look upon Donald Trump as being an absolute fiasco, he’s not mistaken in that perception and he’s not mistaken when so many of the liberal media, for example, described themselves as belonging to the Resistance."

"We’re talking about organizations that I believe have, in fact, decided as organizations that Donald J. Trump is bad for the United States," Kopell said.
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He was very balanced in his presentation. It's basically what I'm saying:

Many of us are alarmed by Trump (most of mainstream media included)

It doesn't mean we are wrong.
 
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Bullseye said:
I don't think the media IS trying to report accurately. And most of today's media aren't "educated" they're programed by the overwhelming liberal bias in academia.


It's like the time Trump was out on his yacht and spotted a drowning man about fifty yards of the port side. Trump stepped over the gunwale, walked over to the man and carried him back to the yacht.

Next day headlines in bout the NY Times and Washington Post read: "Trump can't swim!".
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Wasn't that the time he had those loves of bread and fish? ;)
 
Re: Ted Koppel: "Establishment Press" Decided That Trump Is Bad For The United States, "Out To Get H

Chomsky said:
I'm not denying what Koppel's claiming here.

He was very balanced in his presentation. It's basically what I'm saying:

Many of us are alarmed by Trump (most of mainstream media included)

It doesn't mean we are wrong.
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No. It just means that given the chance to report, you'd probably allow your extreme biases to show.
Precisely, Koppels's point above.
 
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Chomsky said:
Wasn't that the time he had those loves of bread and fish? ;)
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Yeah, he catered a lunch buffet at Mar a Lago. The guy he saved was the guest of honor.
 
Re: Ted Koppel: "Establishment Press" Decided That Trump Is Bad For The United States, "Out To Get H

trixare4kids said:
No. It just means that given the chance to report, you'd probably allow your extreme biases to show.
Precisely, Koppels's point above.
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Interesting that after I quoted Koppel from that piece, you'd come to that conclusion. I'm at a loss to see how you came to it.

So, I'll repost it and break it up into 3 logically distinct parts, with my succinct commentary after each. I'm happy to hear where you believe I went wrong.

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"I turned to my wife and I said the Times is absolutely committed to making sure that this guy does not get elected," he said. "So his perception that the establishment press is out to get him doesn’t mean that great journalism is not being done. It is.
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The media is out to get Trump; by doing so, they are doing great journalism

But the notion that most of us look upon Donald Trump as being an absolute fiasco, he’s not mistaken in that perception and he’s not mistaken when so many of the liberal media, for example, described themselves as belonging to the Resistance."
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Consequently, the media is part of the Resistance.

"We’re talking about organizations that I believe have, in fact, decided as organizations that Donald J. Trump is bad for the United States," Kopell said.
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Their investigations have led these orgs to believe Trump is bad for America.

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Do you believe there's any ambiguity here?
 
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Bullseye said:
Yeah, he catered a lunch buffet at Mar a Lago. The guy he saved was the guest of honor.
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Are you serious? I was joking around (when I saw your "walking on the water" remark).
 
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Chomsky said:
Interesting that after I quoted Koppel from that piece, you'd come to that conclusion. I'm at a loss to see how you came to it.

So, I'll repost it and break it up into 3 logically distinct parts, with my succinct commentary after each. I'm happy to hear where you believe I went wrong.

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The media is out to get Trump; by doing so, they are doing great journalism

Consequently, the media is part of the Resistance.

Their investigations have led these orgs to believe Trump is bad for America.

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Do you believe there's any ambiguity here?
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I was being facetious.
Sorry you missed that. :3oops:
 
Re: Ted Koppel: "Establishment Press" Decided That Trump Is Bad For The United States, "Out To Get H

Chomsky said:
Interesting that after I quoted Koppel from that piece, you'd come to that conclusion. I'm at a loss to see how you came to it.

So, I'll repost it and break it up into 3 logically distinct parts, with my succinct commentary after each. I'm happy to hear where you believe I went wrong.

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The media is out to get Trump; by doing so, they are doing great journalism

Consequently, the media is part of the Resistance.

Their investigations have led these orgs to believe Trump is bad for America.

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Do you believe there's any ambiguity here?
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The media's function is not to "get Trump" or anybody; it's to provide fair, accurate, and complete information so we, the general public can decide who needs to be "got".
 
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trixare4kids said:
I was being facetious.
Sorry you missed that. :3oops:
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Oh man, I'm sorry Trix. That's the second one I missed today! I've got to pick-up my game. ;)
 
Re: Ted Koppel: "Establishment Press" Decided That Trump Is Bad For The United States, "Out To Get H

Bullseye said:
The media's function is not to "get Trump" or anybody; it's to provide fair, accurate, and complete information so we, the general public can decide who needs to be "got".
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In general, I agree. Though in a democratic society, they are supposed to be a proper Fourth Estate check to government power.

But Koppel did not say the media was not being accurate. In fact, in my quote he says they are indeed doing "good journalism."

The way I read this, was that Koppel seems to be saying the journalists' investigations have led them to believe Trump is bad for America.
 
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Chomsky said:
Are you serious? I was joking around (when I saw your "walking on the water" remark).
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A buffet at Mar a Lago? pffft
 
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Chomsky said:
In general, I agree. Though in a democratic society, they are supposed to be a proper Fourth Estate check to government power.

But Koppel did not say the media was not being accurate. In fact, in my quote he says they are indeed doing "good journalism."

The way I read this, was that Koppel seems to be saying the journalists' investigations have led them to believe Trump is bad for America.
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What he's saying is that first page responsible journalism has now been replaced by anti-Trump bias.
 
Re: Ted Koppel: "Establishment Press" Decided That Trump Is Bad For The United States, "Out To Get H

Rexedgar said:
My reference to “standards” was in a broader sense. Not tunnel visioned at “journos.”

Think society as a whole.
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But this thread is about what Koppell calls "establishment" journalism, not about society as a whole. Hence, my response.
 
Re: Ted Koppel: "Establishment Press" Decided That Trump Is Bad For The United States, "Out To Get H

trixare4kids said:
What he's saying is that first page responsible journalism has now been replaced by anti-Trump bias.
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Well, I watched the video embedding in the article this time. Koppel is indeed unhappily complaining of the "get Trump" bias. He does not like it, and thinks it's wrong. He believes Trump has given the media lots to go after. But he does not like what they are doing in their bias. So alright, he's siding what Trump of sorts.
 
Re: Ted Koppel: "Establishment Press" Decided That Trump Is Bad For The United States, "Out To Get H

Chomsky said:
Well, I watched the video embedding in the article this time. Koppel is indeed unhappily complaining of the "get Trump" bias. He does not like it, and thinks it's wrong. He believes Trump has given the media lots to go after. But he does not like what they are doing in their bias. So alright, he's siding what Trump of sorts.
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Yes, and even though he's probably not a Trump fan, (I've read that he is a liberal), he knows and says what these reporters are doing is so wrong.
Yes, on this, he sides with the president. The establishment press is out to get Trump by posting fake news...
 
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