An example of a politically motivated headline

EMNofSeattle · Feb 10, 2019

So I was perusing some news and say this headline from the Guardian

School defends LGBT lessons after religious parents complain

So, what's wrong with this headline? Well strictly speaking nothing is factually wrong about it, but the impression it leaves is "religious" parents who can be of any religion oppose this curriculum. just garden variety generic religion right?

Well let's click this headline and read the story

The assistant headteacher of a school teaching children about homosexuality as part of a special programme [sic] has defended its decision after 400 predominantly Muslim parents signed a petition for the subject to be dropped from the curriculum. [emphasis added]

so let's analyze the bolded, it says "predominately muslim" but in fact it was not "predominately muslim" it was entirely muslim, buried in the article is the tidbit this school is over 98% muslim pupils.

So why this bias? simple, they need to protect an agenda of intersectionality, and they want to make sure that whenever Islam is not compatible with the left's idea that this is downplayed and described in a way to downplay the fact muslims don't approve of their social causes.

CMPancake · Feb 10, 2019

You're upset with a news headline because it wasn't specific enough for you? Lol okay, something tells me the only way this article would have really appeased you was if "Religion that caused 9/11 complains about LGBT lessons."

EMNofSeattle · Feb 10, 2019

CMPancake said:
You're upset with a news headline because it wasn't specific enough for you? Lol okay, something tells me the only way this article would have really appeased you was if "Religion that caused 9/11 complains about LGBT lessons."

No, not at all. I actually have no problem with the Muslim parents in this story. Nor do I wish they be asscociated with terrorists or terrorism.

The point was the Guardian’s obvious bias, not the complaints of the Muslim parents

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Manc Skipper · Feb 10, 2019

Buried in the article is the titbit that the "98% Muslim" claim came from the Muslim mother who initially complained. "Predominantly Muslim" is an appropriate descriptor, given thet it came from the school, which should know.

joyjoy22 · Feb 11, 2019

That is how the media works to gain the opinion and attention of the readers.

Xelor · Feb 11, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
So I was perusing some news and say this headline from the Guardian

School defends LGBT lessons after religious parents complain

So, what's wrong with this headline? Well strictly speaking nothing is factually wrong about it, but the impression it leaves is "religious" parents who can be of any religion oppose this curriculum. just garden variety generic religion right?

Well let's click this headline and read the story

The assistant headteacher of a school teaching children about homosexuality as part of a special programme [sic] has defended its decision after 400 predominantly Muslim parents signed a petition for the subject to be dropped from the curriculum. [emphasis added]

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so let's analyze the bolded, it says "predominately muslim" but in fact it was not "predominately muslim" it was entirely muslim, buried in the article is the tidbit this school is over 98% muslim pupils.

So why this bias? simple, they need to protect an agenda of intersectionality, and they want to make sure that whenever Islam is not compatible with the left's idea that this is downplayed and described in a way to downplay the fact muslims don't approve of their social causes.

Red:
Dude you need to revisit arithmetic. 98% does not constitute the entirety of anything; 100% constitutes an entirety. Accordingly, "predominantly" as a narrative descriptor of 98% is accurate, whereas "entirely" is not.

Some months back, I found myself in a discussion with a member who with complete sincerity attempted to argue that "half" is something than, well, half, 50%. Are you that person? Or are there at least of two DP members who don't understand basic arithmetic and measurement epistemological standards?

RabidAlpaca · Feb 11, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
So I was perusing some news and say this headline from the Guardian

School defends LGBT lessons after religious parents complain

So, what's wrong with this headline? Well strictly speaking nothing is factually wrong about it, but the impression it leaves is "religious" parents who can be of any religion oppose this curriculum. just garden variety generic religion right?

Well let's click this headline and read the story

so let's analyze the bolded, it says "predominately muslim" but in fact it was not "predominately muslim" it was entirely muslim, buried in the article is the tidbit this school is over 98% muslim pupils.

So why this bias? simple, they need to protect an agenda of intersectionality, and they want to make sure that whenever Islam is not compatible with the left's idea that this is downplayed and described in a way to downplay the fact muslims don't approve of their social causes.

Islam and Christianity are basically the same thing so your distinction is meaningless. Evangelicals still persecute homosexuals on a regular basis, so I'm not sure why muslims joining them makes it any different.

EMNofSeattle · Feb 11, 2019

RabidAlpaca said:
Islam and Christianity are basically the same thing so your distinction is meaningless.

ummm... No, they are not.

Evangelicals still persecute homosexuals on a regular basis

No, refusing to recognize their lifestyle as moral is not persecution.

so I'm not sure why muslims joining them makes it any different.

I never said it did.

RabidAlpaca · Feb 11, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
ummm... No, they are not.

No, refusing to recognize their lifestyle as moral is not persecution.

I never said it did.

So you're trying to lie and state that the only thing American evangelicals have done is refuse to accept their lifestyle? Why would you lie and make yourself even more dishonest than the article you're railing against. Evangelicals still today want to use the government to deny basic rights to homosexuals like the right to marry or serve in the military. The vast majority of evangelicals absolutely oppose teaching homosexuality in school.

And yes, islam and christianity are basically the same thing and they both pretty equally despise homosexuals. So why the dishonesty, EMN?

EMNofSeattle · Feb 11, 2019

RabidAlpaca said:
So you're trying to lie and state that the only thing American evangelicals have done is refuse to accept their lifestyle? Why would you lie and make yourself even more dishonest than the article you're railing against. Evangelicals still today want to use the government to deny basic rights to homosexuals like the right to marry or serve in the military. The vast majority of evangelicals absolutely oppose teaching homosexuality in school.

And yes, islam and christianity are basically the same thing and they both pretty equally despise homosexuals. So why the dishonesty, EMN?

Marriage has never been defined as between two people of the same sex until only a few years ago and that definition was imposed by the courts and not through the people's representatives.

Homosexuality should not be taught in school, the reason it is, is as part of a campaign against traditional family structure. And I don't know why it is you are throwing out Evangelicals because I am not an evangelical and no one referenced them until you did.

Islam and Christianity are absolutely not the same thing, however different people can be right about the same thing.

RabidAlpaca · Feb 11, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
Marriage has never been defined as between two people of the same sex until only a few years ago and that definition was imposed by the courts and not through the people's representatives.

Homosexuality should not be taught in school, the reason it is, is as part of a campaign against traditional family structure. And I don't know why it is you are throwing out Evangelicals because I am not an evangelical and no one referenced them until you did.

Islam and Christianity are absolutely not the same thing, however different people can be right about the same thing.

So let get this straight, you, fully agreeing with these muslims, think the government should be used as a weapon to prevent homosexuals from marrying and that it absolutely shouldn't be taught in school, yet are complaining about the dishonest article grouping evangelicals and muslims into the same religious nutter category?

You literally just wholeheartedly agreed with the muslims in question, so the article seems dead on. You religious nutters need to keep your religion to yourself and stop trying to shove it down our throats. We don't need your shariah or biblical law, we prefer freedom, so you can head to the middle east with the rest of your kin if you hate America this much.

EMNofSeattle · Feb 11, 2019

RabidAlpaca said:
So let get this straight, you, fully agreeing with these muslims, think the government should be used as a weapon to prevent homosexuals from marrying and that it absolutely shouldn't be taught in school, yet are complaining about the dishonest article grouping evangelicals and muslims into the same religious nutter category?

You literally just wholeheartedly agreed with the muslims in question, so the article seems dead on. You religious nutters need to keep your religion to yourself and stop trying to shove it down our throats. We don't need your shariah or biblical law, we prefer freedom, so you can head to the middle east with the rest of your kin if you hate America this much.

No, the point was, the left doesn't want to push muslims away from them and so the media is trying to downplay the Islamic connection.

It has everything to do with the media and nothing to do with the parents.

speaking of force, what do you call it when the government forces a Christian baker to make a cake for a homosexual wedding with a pro-homosexual message on it? I call that force.

RabidAlpaca · Feb 11, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
No, the point was, the left doesn't want to push muslims away from them and so the media is trying to downplay the Islamic connection.

It has everything to do with the media and nothing to do with the parents.

speaking of force, what do you call it when the government forces a Christian baker to make a cake for a homosexual wedding with a pro-homosexual message on it? I call that force.

Religious nutters are religious nutters. We've already determined you're basically a muslim because you agree with them on many things and seem to hate the American concept of freedom.

Your entire point of this thread was to pretend that christians want homosexuality taught in school and that the mean article should only talk about muslims. We all know how full of **** and bigoted you are, so we reject your attempts to deceive and applaud these journalists for their honesty. Shedding a light on you bigots that prefer to hide in the dark.

The trick about lying is to make it somewhat believable, not to make up something stupid like christians don't oppose homosexuality in schools.

EMNofSeattle · Feb 11, 2019

RabidAlpaca said:
Religious nutters are religious nutters. We've already determined you're basically a muslim because you agree with them on many things and seem to hate the American concept of freedom.

Your entire point of this thread was to pretend that christians want homosexuality taught in school and that the mean article should only talk about muslims. We all know how full of **** and bigoted you are, so we reject your attempts to deceive and applaud these journalists for their honesty. Shedding a light on you bigots that prefer to hide in the dark.

The trick about lying is to make it somewhat believable, not to make up something stupid like christians don't oppose homosexuality in schools.

Wow. I think you’ve made the most purposefully devoid of reality post I have ever seen

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RabidAlpaca · Feb 11, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
Wow. I think you’ve made the most purposefully devoid of reality post I have ever seen

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I'm not the one who pretended christians don't have a problem with homosexuality in school and that it's only the muslims. Stupid posts get stupid replies. It seems the only thing you hate more than muslims are homosexuals.

EMNofSeattle · Feb 11, 2019

RabidAlpaca said:
I'm not the one who pretended christians don't have a problem with homosexuality in school and that it's only the muslims. Stupid posts get stupid replies. It seems the only thing you hate more than muslims are homosexuals.

See again you’re now posting stuff I never said.

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Sweden · Feb 11, 2019

RabidAlpaca said:
Islam and Christianity are basically the same thing so your distinction is meaningless. Evangelicals still persecute homosexuals on a regular basis, so I'm not sure why muslims joining them makes it any different.

"Islam and Christianity are basically the same thing". There are three possibilities: A) You know nothing of Islam, B) You know nothing of Christianity, or quite possibly C) You know nothing of either.

RabidAlpaca · Feb 11, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
See again you’re now posting stuff I never said.

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Good then you knew your claim against this journalist was completely dishonest and that Christians and Muslims see completely eye to eye on persecuting gays. I think you're just sour that you were grouped in with Muslims, which makes sense because you agree with them completely.

Sweden said:
"Islam and Christianity are basically the same thing". There are three possibilities: A) You know nothing of Islam, B) You know nothing of Christianity, or quite possibly C) You know nothing of either.

They're all abrahamic nutters that worship the god of Abraham, have a hero complex and minus a few arbitrary traditions believe pretty much the same thing. At a minimum on this topic of harassing and persecuting homosexuals they are 100% identical.

EMNofSeattle · Feb 11, 2019

RabidAlpaca said:
Good then you knew your claim against this journalist was completely dishonest and that Christians and Muslims see completely eye to eye on persecuting gays. I think you're just sour that you were grouped in with Muslims, which makes sense because you agree with them completely.

They're all abrahamic nutters that worship the god of Abraham, have a hero complex and minus a few arbitrary traditions believe pretty much the same thing. At a minimum on this topic of harassing and persecuting homosexuals they are 100% identical.

One, every factual claim is false, and two you are claiming I said things I never said.

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TheParser · Feb 11, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
So why this bias?

1. The Guardian is proudly "liberal" or "progressive." So it is bound to walk on eggshells.

2. The laws in England are super strict re: "hate speech." So the Guardian had to make sure that its headline could not be accused of inflaming the emotions of readers.

RabidAlpaca · Feb 11, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
One, every factual claim is false, and two you are claiming I said things I never said.

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Every factual claim in the article is likely true and you've been unable to show any of it is a fabrication. You're simply butt hurt because you were grouped in with the muslims, which makes sense considering you're just as bigoted if not more than they are and seem to hold many of the same positions. Cry harder, the article title was 100% accurate.

TheParser said:
1. The Guardian is proudly "liberal" or "progressive." So it is bound to walk on eggshells.

2. The laws in England are super strict re: "hate speech." So the Guardian had to make sure that its headline could not be accused of inflaming the emotions of readers.

So you're joining EMN to claim christians are OK with homosexuality being taught in school and thus the article title is a bold faced lie? Or are you claiming the parents who complained aren't religious? Can you back any of that up with facts? Where's the bias?

LouC · Feb 11, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
So I was perusing some news and say this headline from the Guardian

School defends LGBT lessons after religious parents complain

So, what's wrong with this headline? Well strictly speaking nothing is factually wrong about it, but the impression it leaves is "religious" parents who can be of any religion oppose this curriculum. just garden variety generic religion right?

Well let's click this headline and read the story

so let's analyze the bolded, it says "predominately muslim" but in fact it was not "predominately muslim" it was entirely muslim, buried in the article is the tidbit this school is over 98% muslim pupils.

So why this bias? simple, they need to protect an agenda of intersectionality, and they want to make sure that whenever Islam is not compatible with the left's idea that this is downplayed and described in a way to downplay the fact muslims don't approve of their social causes.

You have not identified any overt bias in that article.

You obviously wanted their "headline" to be written with a bias of your own design, that much you have identified.

Then you identify that you are biased against their writing the truth that 98% + of something is in fact a predominance of that thing.

Not every fact can be in the headline or the first paragraph, so when you complain part of the story was "buried" you are not proving their bias, as they told of their findings, but are in fact proving your bias in how you feel they should have told of their findings. I mean, if they were trying to hide any facts i.e. data they could have just omitted it from the start, I mean if they really wanted to show an inappropriate bias.

LouC · Feb 11, 2019

CMPancake said:
You're upset with a news headline because it wasn't specific enough for you? Lol okay, something tells me the only way this article would have really appeased you was if "Religion that caused 9/11 complains about LGBT lessons."

Methinks the OP would have been OK with article if the Guardian writer had mentioned in the headline that it was "Filthy" and or "Godless" Muslims who objected to the school curriculum?

ALiberalModerate · Feb 11, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
So I was perusing some news and say this headline from the Guardian

School defends LGBT lessons after religious parents complain

So, what's wrong with this headline? Well strictly speaking nothing is factually wrong about it, but the impression it leaves is "religious" parents who can be of any religion oppose this curriculum. just garden variety generic religion right?

Well let's click this headline and read the story

so let's analyze the bolded, it says "predominately muslim" but in fact it was not "predominately muslim" it was entirely muslim, buried in the article is the tidbit this school is over 98% muslim pupils.

So why this bias? simple, they need to protect an agenda of intersectionality, and they want to make sure that whenever Islam is not compatible with the left's idea that this is downplayed and described in a way to downplay the fact muslims don't approve of their social causes.

It is in the U.K. When you say someone is "religious" in the U.K. these days, 9 out of 10 times it is understood they are Muslim as most Western Europeans are only nominally Christian. In fact, you could say at best most British are just culturally Christian.

Muslims in the U.K. fill the anti-science, socially conservative, anti-LGBT, role that evangelicals fill in America.

Buzz62 · Feb 11, 2019

CMPancake said:
You're upset with a news headline because it wasn't specific enough for you? Lol okay, something tells me the only way this article would have really appeased you was if "Religion that caused 9/11 complains about LGBT lessons."

What abject horse ****.
Your post is as dishonest as the news article.
You use "sound bytes" insinuation to cast a shadow over the OP's post.
Franky, it's clear that you, in particular, can never be taken seriously.

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