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Real Smirking Maga Hat Kid story gets out

Nickyjo said:
Oh calm down. The kid appeared to act like a prick. I blame both for not engaging in conversation about what was going on.
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Yep.

The real a-holes though, were the Hebrew Israelites. That doesn't excuse MAGA boy and the other students' behaviour, but the HI were the real hardcore and main & initial protagonists.
 
Dang ... I could have sworn azgreg or so just posted a couple of super-sized pictures of Covington basketball players ...
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I would not jump to racism if shouting the word was the response to an unprovoked physical attack.

And the only people who would are race baiters who would desire to obfuscate an unprovoked attack in this scenario.

The partisan garbage buddy was what happened to these poor teenagers.

You know exactly why

Because the left uses the word racism to discredit anything other then their own political agenda. Nothing in this video provides any evidence whatsoever these students believe they are racially superior to American indians.
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There is no valid reason for a white person to call a black person a "n-----".

I'll answer my question for you: if a black person punches you without provocation, your best move happens to be simultaneously non-racist and wise. It is to use physical force in self-defense, but once the threat is ended to stop.

Calling him a slur would be counter-productive and racist. So don't do that.
 
TurtleDude said:
wearing MAGA hats seems to justify all sorts of lies
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As long as that includes those "lies" that involve acting as if the kids are innocent and the only parties in the wrong are "black Israelites", a Native Vet, and "the liberal media"....

If not so intended? Then you might just be right in another way, dude. Nobody in this situation behaved as wisely as they could, but the ardent defense I see from many around here is no good either.
 
Mr Person said:
As long as that includes those "lies" that involve acting as if the kids are innocent and the only parties in the wrong are "black Israelites", a Native Vet, and "the liberal media"....

If not so intended? Then you might just be right in another way, dude. Nobody in this situation behaved as wisely as they could, but the ardent defense I see from many around here is no good either.
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there is no doubt that many who bash the kids on this board do so because some of the kids supported Trump. I know about this school. I grew up about 20 minutes from it. I see people on this board claim its a wealthy school full of privileged kids-complete BS. Half the HS kids in the greater Cincinnati area attend parochial schools.
 
TurtleDude said:
there is no doubt that many who bash the kids on this board do so because some of the kids supported Trump. I know about this school. I grew up about 20 minutes from it. I see people on this board claim its a wealthy school full of privileged kids-complete BS. Half the HS kids in the greater Cincinnati area attend parochial schools.
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I could rejoin that I don't see much doubt that many who are defending them wholeheartedly have an opposite bias.


As for myself, I'm basing my comments on the various videos people have posted (not every last one...I don't need commentary videos, for example), and the comment-patterns I've seen about it. Plus my opinion, obviously. No matter what anyone else in the picture did, those kids engaged in some poor behavior. All of them? No, probably not. I'm not going to work out a percentage. But there was some ugly stuff there that really shouldn't have happened no matter what anyone else did.
 
Mr Person said:
Some dude talking isn't context for what in fact happened. Videos from different angles, preferably longer ones, are. And those don't add up to the defense you lot seem to think it is.


Those kids were wrong, just as it would be wrong for a white person to call a black person a "n-----" because they felt (wrongly OR RIGHTLY) that the black person did something wrong to them first. Nobody fails to know what mimicking a native chant while doing a "tomahawk chop" at a Native who is chanting is meant to convey, but they may not care.

And nobody is scared of an old man beating a drum unless they are a character in a movie and the old man is Clint Eastwood.





Remember: two wrongs don't make a right. They may make a lack of standing, but context is important. That is, things that actually are part of context are important.
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I can be incoherent when in a hurry. Bolded words added.
 
It is alleged that those kids were called future school shooters. How is that not mentioned in this entire thread or condemned at all? Why isn't that wrong?

I don't think the problem is the kids or the native American but the jerks tossing out rhetoric like that.
 
Mr Person said:
I could rejoin that I don't see much doubt that many who are defending them wholeheartedly have an opposite bias.


As for myself, I'm basing my comments on the various videos people have posted (not every last one...I don't need commentary videos, for example), and the comment-patterns I've seen about it. Plus my opinion, obviously. No matter what anyone else in the picture did, those kids engaged in some poor behavior. All of them? No, probably not. I'm not going to work out a percentage. But there was some ugly stuff there that really shouldn't have happened no matter what anyone else did.
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I don't blame the kids. They were there for an abortion protest rally. The strange drum-beating behavior iof the aggressive tribal chief and the horrendous racist slander from the black racists were a lot for innicent kids to be confronted with at one time. They did great in maintaining their composure in the face of such wicked aggressive uncivilized open hatred from adult barbarians.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
There was nothing inappropriate in his behavior or their behavior. I'm not going to take it or leave it. This is coordinated attack on both these kids and on my faith. I will not stand for it. A CNN reporter advocated for physical violence against one of the teens, the former head of the DNC called for Catholic schools to be shut down as "hate factories" an actress head them doxxed, they are the subject of violent twitter mobs, and the only reason is because an indian lied to CNN after some kids responded to a group of adult men calling them slurs and telling a black student they were going to harvest his organs. Their only response to try to drown out this hateful rhetoric with a school cheer, and the only reason CNN went with this story was to avoid talking about the march for life.
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Well, as you wish. But you and I have highly differing opinions on this matter. And you're not the only Catholic or Catholic School kid in this thread. But I'm more than willing to call-out one of my own.

I haven't seen the things you claim, like CNN calling for violence on Catholics, or the Dem Party calling to shutdown the Catholic Schools. So no, I don't feel there is an attack on my Faith. But I can sense a a growing rebuttal of Trump and MAGA, including disavowing his supporters.

Kavanaugh did a lot of damage to the image of the Catholic Preps, and I think some may be carrying over - including with this incident here. But I think the main problem here is the MAGA hats and MAGA nature of the school group. And this last, is something I can understand because many I know feel the same way. We don't resort to poor public behaviour, as we see all around in this incident. But we abhor what MAGA has become and done to the country, and we're peacefully working at using the political process to putting as expedient an end to the MAGA experiment as possible. Pelosi was the first step.
 
Mr Person said:
I could rejoin that I don't see much doubt that many who are defending them wholeheartedly have an opposite bias.


As for myself, I'm basing my comments on the various videos people have posted (not every last one...I don't need commentary videos, for example), and the comment-patterns I've seen about it. Plus my opinion, obviously. No matter what anyone else in the picture did, those kids engaged in some poor behavior. All of them? No, probably not. I'm not going to work out a percentage. But there was some ugly stuff there that really shouldn't have happened no matter what anyone else did.
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marke said:
I don't blame the kids. They were there for an abortion protest rally. The strange drum-beating behavior iof the aggressive tribal chief and the horrendous racist slander from the black racists were a lot for innicent kids to be confronted with at one time. They did great in maintaining their composure in the face of such wicked aggressive uncivilized open hatred from adult barbarians.
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Needs more cowbell.
 
OpportunityCost said:
It is alleged that those kids were called future school shooters. How is that not mentioned in this entire thread or condemned at all? Why isn't that wrong?

I don't think the problem is the kids or the native American but the jerks tossing out rhetoric like that.
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With the various threads on this topic it's hard to keep track of what was said where. I don't think anyone approves of what was said to those kids. It was disgusting, demeaning and out of line. Which IMO is why the adults in charge of these students should have moved them away when they saw what was going on.
 
Chomsky said:
Yep.

The real a-holes though, were the Hebrew Israelites. That doesn't excuse MAGA boy and the other students' behaviour, but the HI were the real hardcore and main & initial protagonists.
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Why do you think that isnt front page news? "Black Supposedly Israelite's Extremists scream extreme obscenities at white children, then march a native american at them" shoulda been the main headline.

Instead we saw "maga hat wearing white kids harrass native american and cancel their peace walk" newlines.


You dont think thts a little bit odd?
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Why do you think that isnt front page news? "Black Supposedly Israelite's Extremists scream extreme obscenities at white children, then march a native american at them" shoulda been the main headline.

Instead we saw "maga hat wearing white kids harrass native american and cancel their peace walk" newlines.

You dont think thts a little bit odd?
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Because that's what was on video. While later video showed other people behaving poorly and other people behaving sub-optimally in retroactive view, nothing later actually excused the behavior of that group of kids. It's not like one wrong makes all the others an invalid subject.

It's not like waking around chanting with a drum while being a Native American means it's reasonable to make "tomahawk chops" while jeering, mimicking the chant, behaving like a-hole teens. It's not like some other group mutually antagonizing the a-hole teens somehow excuses their reaction to the old vet. These are all separate things.

Now, do we want "the" mean - aka any, not just leftwing media - to get things right more often? To wait for the full story? No, as a group, we don't. As a group, we seem to want immediate updates on everything, just like quite a lot of us seem to want to hear about our friends' every thoughts on facebook or via text or whatever. Media serves a market.



Add the two together, and you get (1) the kids were in the wrong no matter who else was in the wrong, so any inaccuracies are being misused, (2) those who consume TV news and twitter news need to take a look in the mirror. The Hated Media does this because it's a huge market. Fail to meet it, someone else meets it. And public-sponsored news gets attacked for supposedly having a pro-government bias to as secure funding.

If you all want to join me in waiting for various print media of multiple leans to finalize a story before making any kind of formalized conclusion, great! We'll need many tens of millions of people to do it too, sure, but it'll be a start.



But we won't. So this won't stop. And yes, quite a lot of it happens. It's happening more frequently. I'd appreciate the input of someone who's been in journalism for quite some time, but it smells to me like the window for maneuvering shrinks in a direct relation to expansion of mass communication.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
It is alleged that those kids were called future school shooters. How is that not mentioned in this entire thread or condemned at all? Why isn't that wrong?

I don't think the problem is the kids or the native American but the jerks tossing out rhetoric like that.
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The weird extreme black people in this video called ALL the white kids
Demons
Drinkers of incest waters
Racists
Anti-Israelites
Slave owners
School shooters, then told them to go shoot up a school.
Called the 2 black people in the "white crowd" "fake ass niggas" and a whole bunch of other bad ****
Called for the nuclear destruction of America.


And all the news could get for 24 hours was "White kid stands still and smirks at native american elder"

While celebries tweet "I wish I could punch that smug smirk off that kids face" and one celeb offering to send a free vynl CD to anyone who could dox the kid for them. (whatever the F a vynl CD is...)
 
TurtleDude said:
there is no doubt that many who bash the kids on this board do so because some of the kids supported Trump. I know about this school. I grew up about 20 minutes from it. I see people on this board claim its a wealthy school full of privileged kids-complete BS. Half the HS kids in the greater Cincinnati area attend parochial schools.
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Unfortunately many of those those who are unfamiliar with Catholic schools, will hear "Catholic High School" or "Catholic Prep School", and they'll conjure up images of Exeter and Andover!

Hell - in my city when I was going, a lot of the Catholic High Schools had some pretty poor students, often from immigrant families. But if you could pass the entrance exam, were willing to work hard and stay out of trouble, and your parents at least tried to pay the tuition, you got to graduate with a decent education and some decent ethical underpinnings along with a lot of theology (and everything else!).
 
Oh, and I spent several years in Wyoming, Ohio (close suburb to Cinci)
 
Chomsky said:
Well, as you wish. But you and I have highly differing opinions on this matter. And you're not the only Catholic or Catholic School kid in this thread. But I'm more than willing to call-out one of my own.

I haven't seen the things you claim, like CNN calling for violence on Catholics, or the Dem Party calling to shutdown the Catholic Schools. So no, I don't feel there is an attack on my Faith. But I can sense a a growing rebuttal of Trump and MAGA, including disavowing his supporters.

Kavanaugh did a lot of damage to the image of the Catholic Preps, and I think some may be carrying over - including with this incident here. But I think the main problem here is the MAGA hats and MAGA nature of the school group. And this last, is something I can understand because many I know feel the same way. We don't resort to poor public behaviour, as we see all around in this incident. But we abhor what MAGA has become and done to the country, and we're peacefully working at using the political process to putting as expedient an end to the MAGA experiment as possible. Pelosi was the first step.
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So if I boil down the last paragraph, it’s acceptable to harass these students for doing really nothing wrong because they support the legitimately elected president (also the most pro-Catholic agenda due to opposition to socialism, abortion, and Anti-religious bigotry) of their country?


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Mr Person said:
Oh, and I spent several years in Wyoming, Ohio (close suburb to Cinci)
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nice area-I once was an attorney for that city-they contracted with the firm I was associated with and one of the top parters was a resident and the city solicitor. He had better things to do than handle cases that were appealed from mayor's court to the Hamilton County Municipal Court so he assigned me that stuff (the city only paid 70 an hour which was far less than his billing rate). Gave me tons of trial experience though and lots of good connections with local LE which served me well when I joined the DOJ.
 
btw I heard on the radio that some Dem Congressman suggested passing a law banning youth from wearing MAGA hats. Now, the turd who said that is crawfishing back and claiming it was a joke. Given the howling from the left, I suspect the congressman really thinks that way
 
TurtleDude said:
btw I heard on the radio that some Dem Congressman suggested passing a law banning youth from wearing MAGA hats. Now, the turd who said that is crawfishing back and claiming it was a joke. Given the howling from the left, I suspect the congressman really thinks that way
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oh ok

I'd prefer MAGA hats not be banned, since they're clear-as-day red flags for people I would rather not bother having anything to do with.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
The weird extreme black people in this video called ALL the white kids
Demons
Drinkers of incest waters
Racists
Anti-Israelites
Slave owners
School shooters, then told them to go shoot up a school.
Called the 2 black people in the "white crowd" "fake ass niggas" and a whole bunch of other bad ****
Called for the nuclear destruction of America.


And all the news could get for 24 hours was "White kid stands still and smirks at native american elder"

While celebries tweet "I wish I could punch that smug smirk off that kids face" and one celeb offering to send a free vynl CD to anyone who could dox the kid for them. (whatever the F a vynl CD is...)
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Which celebrity? That is a very serious criminal offense, many actually. The kid also could sue BIG time! You can sue someone who puts out a contract on you to be violently assaulted - and in this instance against a minor - whether or not anyone does it.
 
Kobie said:
oh ok

I'd prefer MAGA hats not be banned, since they're clear-as-day red flags for people I would rather not bother having anything to do with.
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that's some good thinking on your part> wouldn't want to hear any views that might clash with the TDS paradigm you have built for yourself.
 
joko104 said:
Which celebrity? That is a very serious criminal offense, many actually. The kid also could sue BIG time! You can sue someone who puts out a contract on you to be violently assaulted - and in this instance against a minor - whether or not anyone does it.
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I dunno there was a whole bunch of them. Here was some random ones at the top of google.


[h=1]Kathy Griffin calls for doxing student's identities after viral video at Native American march: 'Shame them'[/h]https://www.foxnews.com/entertainme...for-doxing-students-in-viral-video-shame-them


[h=1]‘MAGA kids go into the woodchipper’: Disney producer tweets violent threat against Covington boys[/h]https://www.rt.com/usa/449368-disney-producer-threatens-maga-kids/



I dont remember what the Record gifting one was.
 
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