• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

The Media Wildly Mischaracterized That Video of Covington Catholic Students

Omega Man said:
Yes, the edited video shot behind Phillips so that you cannot see his face or eyes. The edited video which clearly shows a nervous youth attempting to keep his composure in the face of a grown man going nose to nose with him while beating a drum in his face. Yeah, I can see why you only want to refer to that video.


OM
Click to expand...

Nervous about what? What did he think the NA man would do to him in broad daylight, in public, with dozens of his school mates all around him? Scalp him?
 
Lutherf said:
I'm reading a book about life in Germany during the 30s. Much of what we see today sure seems to be a reflection of a lot of what was going on then.
Click to expand...

I'm starting to really get why Rolf felt he had to blow the whistle on the Von Trapps instead of doing the right thing.
 
Geoist said:
I am looking at a clip from the Black Hebrews and Phillips did not appear to walk up to the specific student but to the group, in general (The Matthew Schmitz tweet in the Fox News link). What I want to know is did he approach that specific student to stand in his face or did the student approach him to stare him down?
Click to expand...

I've seen several videos which clearly show Phillip's walking right up to him. The kid himself even said that it was apparent that Phillips was directly targeting him. Videos all appear to corroborate that position.


OM
 
Lutherf said:
I'm reading a book about life in Germany during the 30s. Much of what we see today sure seems to be a reflection of a lot of what was going on then.
Click to expand...

There are some similarities, but on the whole, it's really nothing like that.
 
tres borrachos said:
Nervous about what? What did he think the NA man would do to him in broad daylight, in public, with dozens of his school mates all around him? Scalp him?
Click to expand...

Can't speak for you, but when I was 16 I would have definitely been nervous had an adult directed his drum beating directly in my face. The anxiety was rather evident upon the youths face, as evidenced by his attempt at keeping a calm face (aka a "nefarious smirk").


OM
 
Omega Man said:
Can't speak for you, but when I was 16 I would have definitely been nervous had an adult directed his drum beating directly in my face. The anxiety was rather evident upon the youths face, as evidenced by his attempt at keeping a calm face (aka a "nefarious smirk").


OM
Click to expand...

I was never nervous in broad daylight in the middle of a very well lit public place with dozens of other people that someone playing a drum was going to hurt me.

The youths weren't that scared. They were doing the tomahawk chant because they weren't scared.
 
tres borrachos said:
I was never nervous in broad daylight in the middle of a very well lit public place with dozens of other people that someone playing a drum was going to hurt me.

The youths weren't that scared. They were doing the tomahawk chant because they weren't scared.
Click to expand...

I didn't say anything about being alone, or in the dark. I specifically referred to a strange adult targeting me, stepping into my personal space, and beating a drum in my face. As a youth, that would have been a tad intimidating in trying to figure out how to cope with it. Add the rest of the crowd and all their cameras. But hey, if that would have worked for you at 16, so be it.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
I didn't say anything about being alone, or in the dark. I specifically referred to a strange adult targeting me, stepping into my personal space, and beating a drum in my face. As a youth, that would have been a tad intimidating in trying to figure out how to cope with it. Add the rest of the crowd and all their cameras. But hey, if that would have worked for you at 16, so be it.


OM
Click to expand...

They were so intimidated that they did the tomahawk chop - all of them?

Not buying it any more than I buy the Native American's story that he was scared or whatever his claim was.

That kid was standing firm because he wasn't intimidated. Nor were his friends. That's why they didn't move - and that's why they acted like punks with that tomahawk nonsense.
 
tres borrachos said:
They were so intimidated that they did the tomahawk chop - all of them?

Not buying it any more than I buy the Native American's story that he was scared or whatever his claim was.

That kid was standing firm because he wasn't intimidated. Nor were his friends. That's why they didn't move - and that's why they acted like punks with that tomahawk nonsense.
Click to expand...

After watching the full videos, and reading many of the eye witness accounts, I'm content that I didn't take the bait. I'm cool with that.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
After watching the full videos, and reading many of the eye witness accounts, I'm content that I didn't take the bait. I'm cool with that.


OM
Click to expand...

I'll never teach my kids that elderly Indians playing a drum is scary. There are too many real things to be scared of in the world without making them paranoid about something so dumb.
 
Omega Man said:
Can't speak for you, but when I was 16 I would have definitely been nervous had an adult directed his drum beating directly in my face. The anxiety was rather evident upon the youths face, as evidenced by his attempt at keeping a calm face (aka a "nefarious smirk").


OM
Click to expand...

As a parent I would have been ticked off if a 64 year old man, (who should know better, btw), banged his drum in my son's ear, allowing it to invade his personal space.
The videos showed the man getting closer and closer to this particular 16 year old and his drum did touch his shoulder.

That's just a load of :bs that people think that's okay.
 
tres borrachos said:
I'll never teach my kids that elderly Indians playing a drum is scary. There are too many real things to be scared of in the world without making them paranoid about something so dumb.
Click to expand...

The act itself of playing a drum by an old Native American isn't scary. The act of being a larger adult approaching a relatively diminutive youth, going nose to nose with him while beating a drum in his face and loudly chanting - kind of a different context than the very simple one you suggested.


OM
 
trixare4kids said:
As a parent I would have been ticked off if a 64 year old man, (who should know better, btw), banged his drum in my son's ear, allowing it to invade his personal space.
The videos showed the man getting closer and closer to this particular 16 year old and his drum did touch his shoulder.

That's just a load of :bs that people think that's okay.
Click to expand...

And according to Mr. Phillips (courtesy of the edited video shot only from BEHIND him), he was being "surrounded" with "nowhere to escape". The myriad other videos proved that portion of the narrative was a lie; so pardon me if I am a tad skeptical as to anything else Mr. Phillips has to say on the matter (and with all due respect for his service to this country).


OM
 
Omega Man said:
The act itself of playing a drum by an old Native American isn't scary. The act of being a larger adult approaching a relatively diminutive youth, going nose to nose with him while beating a drum in his face and loudly chanting - kind of a different context than the very simple one you suggested.


OM
Click to expand...

I'm not a snowflake, and thank goodness, my kids aren't either. They would be embarrassed too if they thought my husband and I would tell them to be scared of old men banging a drum while they were in a public place in broad daylight with dozens of their classmates doing the tomahawk chop thing.

Oh, he was loudly chanting? How skeery!
 
tres borrachos said:
I'm not a snowflake, and thank goodness, my kids aren't either. They would be embarrassed too if they thought my husband and I would tell them to be scared of old men banging a drum while they were in a public place in broad daylight with dozens of their classmates doing the tomahawk chop thing.

Oh, he was loudly chanting? How skeery!
Click to expand...

The video is definitely a testament to Mr. Phillips' intent to intimidate. Fortunately the youth who was targeted had the wherewithal to try and stand his ground in the face of being intimidated by a bigger adult (wasn't exactly the frail, wheelchair-bound man you're making him out to be). Bottom line? Phillips lied.


OM
 
Geoist said:
It is not out of context. It was clearly an attempt to mock the native american. I work with kids like this. I know how they think.
Click to expand...

Nathan Phillips lied about the situation when he claimed the kids approached him and had him surrounded.
 
Omega Man said:
The video is definitely a testament to Mr. Phillips' intent to intimidate. Fortunately the youth who was targeted had the wherewithal to try and stand his ground in the face of being intimidated by a bigger adult (wasn't exactly the frail, wheelchair-bound man you're making him out to be). Bottom line? Phillips lied.


OM
Click to expand...

I didn't mention frail or wheelchairs. I didn't even imply it. I described him factually - an old man banging a drum. Why were you dishonest?
 
tres borrachos said:
I didn't mention frail or wheelchairs. I didn't even imply it. I described him factually - an old man banging a drum. Why were you dishonest?
Click to expand...

Because you keep alluding to his age as somehow being indicative of how "harmless" he is. So yes, there was a definite implication of frailty you invoked. What were you saying about dishonesty?


OM
 
Omega Man said:
Because you keep alluding to his age as somehow being indicative of how "harmless" he is. So yes, there was a definite implication of frailty you invoked. What were you saying about dishonesty?


OM
Click to expand...

So in other words, I never said anything about him being frail or in a wheelchair. I never used the word "harmless". You were just being dishonest. Yes, I knew that.

But if you think those kids on the steps are too weak to take out a 64 year old drum player if he scared them, then that doesn't say much for them. Or you. When I was 17, and in a group of a few dozen other 17 year olds, I wouldn't tinkle in my panties because of some 64 year old playing the drum.
 
tres borrachos said:
So in other words, I never said anything about him being frail or in a wheelchair. I never used the word "harmless". You were just being dishonest. Yes, I knew that.

But if you think those kids on the steps are too weak to take out a 64 year old drum player if he scared them, then that doesn't say much for them. Or you. When I was 17, and in a group of a few dozen other 17 year olds, I wouldn't tinkle in my panties because of some 64 year old playing the drum.
Click to expand...

No, IOW you inferred somebody at his frail age was nothing for a smaller teenager to fear. But the reality is far different; he's a fully-grown man, much larger than that youth.

And you continuing to say "playing the drum", vs. beating a drum (with a rather large mallet, by the way) in his face, is disingenuous.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
No, IOW you inferred somebody at his frail age was nothing for a smaller teenager to fear. But the reality is far different; he's a fully-grown man, much larger than that youth.

And you continuing to say "playing the drum", vs. beating a drum (with a rather large mallet, by the way) in his face is disingenuous.


OM
Click to expand...

My post was clear to anyone whose brain works. One elderly man in a crowd of young men, dozens of them. Which I repeated over and over again, and you just ignore, because you like your dishonest posts that much.

If you're afraid of old men with drums when you're in a large crowd, that's okay by me. At least you admit it. I've never been that paranoid and sad in my life.
 
tres borrachos said:
My post was clear to anyone whose brain works. One elderly man in a crowd of young men, dozens of them. Which I repeated over and over again, and you just ignore, because you like your dishonest posts that much.

If you're afraid of old men with drums when you're in a large crowd, that's okay by me. At least you admit it. I've never been that paranoid and sad in my life.
Click to expand...

Except that fully functioning adult man was in the face of one youth. I'm going to assume that you're not 16 years, nor are you still a youth; so pardon me while I discount you comparing what you "woulda" done, to what he did.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
Except that fully functioning adult man was in the face of one youth. I'm going to assume that you're not 16 years, nor are you still a youth; so pardon me while I discount you comparing what you "woulda" done, to what he did.


OM
Click to expand...

I have 3 teenage sons. None of them would be tinkling in their boxer shorts if an old man with a drum was standing in front of them in broad daylight in a very large crowd filled with security and policemen while dozens of their friends were standing next to them making tomahawk chop motions, over and over and over.

Maybe they're just smarter than the little Trump fans, and if they were in fear, they would leave and wouldn't act like little kids making tomahawk chop gestures to old Native American men. I guess these future Trump Fan Nation citizens are dumb and cowardly. Poor dears. They are in for a world of trouble.
 
Airyaman said:
More video out. Kids do look like assholes here.

https://twitter.com/cbouzy/status/1087403613754978305
Click to expand...

Looks like they were having fun with the situation, considering they were in the middle of a school cheer when Phillip's inserted himself among them. What should they have done? Stood silently, arms at their side? Turned and walked away? From the eyewitness accounts I've read, they indicated that at first the kids thought he was coming along and participating in their cheers and chants, so they went along with it. A few of those kids might have gotten a little out of hand with the ensuing tomahawk chops, but nothing nefarious as to the original narrative that was set forth. No "surrounding him", no "lack of escape", no "hating" going on.


OM
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom