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Poll: Most Democrats see Republicans as racist, sexist

SixStringHero said:
I believe both parties have their share of racists, and the tribalism of today is downright pathetic.

I don't take the dems anymore seriously with their constant cries of racism. As a collective they seem to not have any qualms about pre judging an entire group of people as being 'privileged' simply for their skin color, and what makes matters worse is this racist garbage has the backing of academia and the media.
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Evidence usually finds supporters especially within academia.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
So nearly half our country can’t be reasoned with. That’s just swell.
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I think that's right. Unfortunately, most of those who can't be reasoned with are in the House and the Senate. Hence, anything Democrats propose, Republicans are automatically against. Anything Republicans proposed, Democrats are automatically against. No thought to the merits of the proposal or whether it may be good or bad for the country, just who proposed.
 
SixStringHero said:
I believe both parties have their share of racists, and the tribalism of today is downright pathetic.

I don't take the dems anymore seriously with their constant cries of racism. As a collective they seem to not have any qualms about pre judging an entire group of people as being 'privileged' simply for their skin color, and what makes matters worse is this racist garbage has the backing of academia and the media.
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And the rise in hate crimes against minorities proves you are wrong...

Hate crimes rose in the U.S. by more than 17% in 2017, fueled by increases in attacks against religious and racial minorities, according to a report the FBI released Tuesday.

It is the biggest annual increase in reported hate crimes since 2001, when attacks on Muslims surged in response to the Sept. 11 attacks, and the third straight year that hate crimes have gone up.
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https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-fbi-hate-crimes-20181113-story.html
 
Perotista said:
I think that's right. Unfortunately, most of those who can't be reasoned with are in the House and the Senate. Hence, anything Democrats propose, Republicans are automatically against. Anything Republicans proposed, Democrats are automatically against. No thought to the merits of the proposal or whether it may be good or bad for the country, just who proposed.
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Remember "Obamacare BAD - Romneycare GOOD".

Remember also that there was practically no difference between "Obamacare" and "Romneycare".
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Remember "Obamacare BAD - Romneycare GOOD".

Remember also that there was practically no difference between "Obamacare" and "Romneycare".
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The same thing applies to the debt ceiling votes. Almost all democrats voted against raising it during Bush, but almost all voted to raise it during Obama. The reverse is also true, almost all Republicans voted to raise it during Bush, against it during Obama.

Makes wonder if our two major parties don't believe in anything except their party. No core values. Or it's support the president regardless of what one or the other party says they believe in or stand for.
 
Perotista said:
The same thing applies to the debt ceiling votes. Almost all democrats voted against raising it during Bush, but almost all voted to raise it during Obama. The reverse is also true, almost all Republicans voted to raise it during Bush, against it during Obama.

Makes wonder if our two major parties don't believe in anything except their party. No core values. Or it's support the president regardless of what one or the other party says they believe in or stand for.
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What you do have to remember is that the United States of America does NOT have two political parties, in the traditional sense of being organizations that advance specific policy objectives and whose elected members consistently support the policy objectives advanced by their party (and get expelled from the party if they don't).

What the US does have is "The MORE Reactionary Wing of the American Oligarchic Capitalist Party" and "The LESS Reactionary Wing of the American Oligarchic Capitalist Party".

When you combine that with elected representatives who feel under absolutely no obligation to support the stated policies of the "party" under whose banner they ran for office and were elected (especially if the elected representative can derive some personal benefit [like getting re-elected {or a nice cushy job when out of office}]) you can see that "Democrat" and "Republican" on the ballot don't actually mean anything (except for which wing of "The American Oligarchic Capitalist Party" is paying most of the bills for the election campaign [unless, of course, "The Party" didn't get its act together enough to actually nominate someone and some whacko "files" as a "candidate" of that "party" and gets away with it because the electoral laws don't actually require a person to have even the faintest connection with a "party" that they claim to be the "candidate" of]).
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
What you do have to remember is that the United States of America does NOT have two political parties, in the traditional sense of being organizations that advance specific policy objectives and whose elected members consistently support the policy objectives advanced by their party (and get expelled from the party if they don't).

What the US does have is "The MORE Reactionary Wing of the American Oligarchic Capitalist Party" and "The LESS Reactionary Wing of the American Oligarchic Capitalist Party".

When you combine that with elected representatives who feel under absolutely no obligation to support the stated policies of the "party" under whose banner they ran for office and were elected (especially if the elected representative can derive some personal benefit [like getting re-elected {or a nice cushy job when out of office}]) you can see that "Democrat" and "Republican" on the ballot don't actually mean anything (except for which wing of "The American Oligarchic Capitalist Party" is paying most of the bills for the election campaign [unless, of course, "The Party" didn't get its act together enough to actually nominate someone and some whacko "files" as a "candidate" of that "party" and gets away with it because the electoral laws don't actually require a person to have even the faintest connection with a "party" that they claim to be the "candidate" of]).
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possible, but I have seen way too many party line votes over the last 10-20 years even if the folks back in their home district or state want otherwise. I'm old enough to remember when the straight party line vote was a rarity.
 
Perotista said:
possible, but I have seen way too many party line votes over the last 10-20 years even if the folks back in their home district or state want otherwise. I'm old enough to remember when the straight party line vote was a rarity.
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There is a "slight" difference between a "party line" vote and a vote that is in accord with "party policy". In fact you can have a "party line" vote that is directly opposite to "party policy" simply because you don't want "The Other Guys" to get credit for doing something that your "party policy" says should be done.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
There is a "slight" difference between a "party line" vote and a vote that is in accord with "party policy". In fact you can have a "party line" vote that is directly opposite to "party policy" simply because you don't want "The Other Guys" to get credit for doing something that your "party policy" says should be done.
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I go by the old adage, actions speak louder than words. Just because there is something in the platform or something akin to that that states the party stands for this doesn't make it so. Your correct, the republicans are out to stop any and everything Democratic and the Democrats want to stop anything and everything republican. You could look at it this way, both parties have given up for standing for something, having core values. Instead it is about stopping the other guy as you stated.

Political parties, like people can state and be very emphatic about standing for this or that. But by their actions, their votes, if they vote against what they state they stand for, did they really stand for that or believe in what they stated? I think not, actions speak louder than words, either oral or written.
 
Perotista said:
I go by the old adage, actions speak louder than words. Just because there is something in the platform or something akin to that that states the party stands for this doesn't make it so. Your correct, the republicans are out to stop any and everything Democratic and the Democrats want to stop anything and everything republican. You could look at it this way, both parties have given up for standing for something, having core values. Instead it is about stopping the other guy as you stated.

Political parties, like people can state and be very emphatic about standing for this or that. But by their actions, their votes, if they vote against what they state they stand for, did they really stand for that or believe in what they stated? I think not, actions speak louder than words, either oral or written.
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What you say may very well be the case in the United States of America and it may very well be the case that the REAL platform of the __[fill in the blank]__ Party is "We want to be in power so that we can pass all sorts of laws that benefit those people who give us lots of money that will enable us to win elections so that we can be in power so that we can pass all sorts of laws that benefit those people who give us lots of money that will enable us to win elections so that we can be in power so that we can pass all sorts of laws that benefit those people who give us lots of money that will enable us to win elections so that we can be in power so that we can pass all sorts of laws that benefit those people who give us lots of money that will enable us to win elections so that we can ... AND we'll say anything that we think that you want to hear in order to do so.".

That isn't necessarily the case in other countries (or even for American political parties other than "The Big Two").
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
What you say may very well be the case in the United States of America and it may very well be the case that the REAL platform of the __[fill in the blank]__ Party is "We want to be in power so that we can pass all sorts of laws that benefit those people who give us lots of money that will enable us to win elections so that we can be in power so that we can pass all sorts of laws that benefit those people who give us lots of money that will enable us to win elections so that we can be in power so that we can pass all sorts of laws that benefit those people who give us lots of money that will enable us to win elections so that we can be in power so that we can pass all sorts of laws that benefit those people who give us lots of money that will enable us to win elections so that we can ... AND we'll say anything that we think that you want to hear in order to do so.".

That isn't necessarily the case in other countries (or even for American political parties other than "The Big Two").
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You got it my friend. Both major parties owe their hearts and souls to corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, special interests, mega money donors etc. as that is where they get their tens of millions of dollars to run their campaigns. Follow the money, usually the party that raises and spends the most money wins.
 
Perotista said:
You got it my friend. Both major parties owe their hearts and souls to corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, special interests, mega money donors etc. as that is where they get their tens of millions of dollars to run their campaigns. Follow the money, usually the party that raises and spends the most money wins.
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You might enjoy "The Story of Mouseland". (The link is to YouTube)
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
The bottom line: Both parties are being redefined around the extreme emotions shaping extremely ugly views of each other. That means that, as the midterm elections proved, there's less room for moderates or centrists in the current political environment — a dynamic that's likely to get worse before it gets better.
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I'm sorry I'm late to the "both sides do it" party but I just don't see where democrats believe a steady stream of vile and disgusting lies to think republicans are flaming lying hypocrites. We simply look at the facts. democrats didn't foam at the mouth about deficits for 8 years then go "deficits?, what deficits?". There is simply no "equal but opposite" narratives like "president Obama was born in Kenya", "his BC a forgery", "death panels" and the vile and disgusting "stand down" lies. I'm not imagining the steady stream of lies and childish insults from Trump. so I don't look down my nose at conservatives because someone told me to. Its because they've shown themselves to be liars, imbeciles and hypocrites. There is simply no hope for democracy in America until conservatives have the same standards for accountability and integrity for their own that they do for democrats.
 
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Vern said:
I'm sorry I'm late to the "both sides do it" party but I just don't see where democrats believe a steady stream of vile and disgusting lies to think republicans are flaming lying hypocrites. We simply look at the facts. democrats didn't foam at the mouth about deficits for 8 years then go "deficits?, what deficits?". There is simply no "equal but opposite" narratives like "president Obama was born in Kenya", "his BC a forgery", "death panels" and the vile and disgusting "stand down" lies. I'm not imagining the steady stream of lies and childish insults from Trump. so I don't look down my nose at conservatives because someone told me to. Its because they've shown themselves to be liars, imbeciles and hypocrites. There is simply no hope for democracy in America until conservatives have the same standards for accountability and integrity for their own that they do for democrats.
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Disputing the idea that both sides do it while simultaneously demostrating that both sides do it. Good job!
 
Maccabee said:
Disputing the idea that both sides do it while simultaneously demostrating that both sides do it. Good job!
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you got me Mac, I thought I could get away with posting whatever it is you called me out for. Now if you could please explain what you called me out for I would appreciate it. Please be specific. I get it, I just want to make sure your point is clear to everybody not just me. thanks in advance.
 
Vern said:
you got me Mac, I thought I could get away with posting whatever it is you called me out for. Now if you could please explain what you called me out for I would appreciate it. Please be specific. I get it, I just want to make sure your point is clear to everybody not just me. thanks in advance.
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You claim that it's all on mostly the conservative side that goes to the extreme. That is an extreme view regardless on who side you're on. I can play the same game by pointing to all the riots started by ANTIFA, calls for complete gun bans in some cases, and calling anybody that doesn't agree with them a nazi.
 
Maccabee said:
You claim that it's all on mostly the conservative side that goes to the extreme. That is an extreme view regardless on who side you're on. I can play the same game by pointing to all the riots started by ANTIFA, calls for complete gun bans in some cases, and calling anybody that doesn't agree with them a nazi.
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But mac, I posted things were ridiculous lies believed by a large percentage if not majority of conservatives. And I don’t have to lie to criticize trump’s actions. And mac, I didn’t imagine conservatives foaming at the mouth about deficits for 8 years under President Obama and now sitting quietly as republicans balloon the deficit. You’re just posting whiny conservative narratives you heard on fox. Why don’t you tell us about “the librul war on Christmas” while you are at it. Now mac, this is going to confuse you but this is me backing up my point. I don't have to back up the "deficit" thing. Even I don't think conservatives are that dishonest.



Vern said:
“On President Barack Obama’s birthday, a new CNN/Opinion Research released Wednesday shows 41 percent of Republicans believe Obama was “probably” or “definitely” born in another country. “

41% of Republicans: President Obama foreign-born - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com

About four in 10 U.S. adults believe that President Obama's healthcare reform law will create "death panels" to decide patients' fitness for care, according to a new Associated Press-GfK survey.

Poll: Four in 10 believe in Obama healthcare law
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Vern said:
But mac, I posted things were ridiculous lies believed by a large percentage if not majority of conservatives. And I don’t have to lie to criticize trump’s actions. And mac, I didn’t imagine conservatives foaming at the mouth about deficits for 8 years under President Obama and now sitting quietly as republicans balloon the deficit. You’re just posting whiny conservative narratives you heard on fox. Why don’t you tell us about “the librul war on Christmas” while you are at it. Now mac, this is going to confuse you but this is me backing up my point. I don't have to back up the "deficit" thing. Even I don't think conservatives are that dishonest.
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I don't dispute your claim that there are fringe groups on the right. What I do dispute is your asertion that it's ONLY the right that have fringe groups and beliefs. Are you going to stand there and say that ANTIFA isn't a fringe group? Also, just so you know, I'm a Messianic Jew which means I don't celibrate Christmas.
 
Maccabee said:
I don't dispute your claim that there are fringe groups on the right. What I do dispute is your asertion that it's ONLY the right that have fringe groups and beliefs. Are you going to stand there and say that ANTIFA isn't a fringe group? Also, just so you know, I'm a Messianic Jew which means I don't celibrate Christmas.
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I think I delineated quite well that the things I posted that conservatives believed were not the "fringe" but the base. Again, I posted things were ridiculous lies believed by a large percentage if not majority of conservatives.
 
Vern said:
I think I delineated quite well that the things I posted that conservatives believed were not the "fringe" but the base. Again, I posted things were ridiculous lies believed by a large percentage if not majority of conservatives.
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And again, that doesn't address the fact that a large portion of those that lean left also hold some outlandish views.
 
Maccabee said:
And again, that doesn't address the fact that a large portion of those that lean left also hold some outlandish views.
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Sorry mac, I backed up my point. You didn't. And you didn't come up with "large portion" of the left until after you flailed about "fringe elements". As a conservative, you think its okay to post things because you wish it was true. Hey mac, remember when you believed "republicans really really really wanted to balance the budget". How you do rationalize that republicans are again ballooing the deficit.
 
Maccabee said:
Disputing the idea that both sides do it while simultaneously demostrating that both sides do it. Good job!
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Would you go along with the following?

"There is simply no hope for democracy in America until

  1. "conservatives" (whatever that means) have the same standards for accountability and integrity for their own that they do for "liberals" (whatever that means); and
  2. "liberals" (whatever that means) have the same standards for accountability and integrity for their own that they do for "conservatives" (whatever that means)."
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Would you go along with the following?

"There is simply no hope for democracy in America until

  1. "conservatives" (whatever that means) have the same standards for accountability and integrity for their own that they do for "liberals" (whatever that means); and
  2. "liberals" (whatever that means) have the same standards for accountability and integrity for their own that they do for "conservatives" (whatever that means)."
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Absolutely.
 
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