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Poll: Most Democrats see Republicans as racist, sexist

TU Curmudgeon said:
There are several theories on the last point. There is general agreement that the word "racism" came into the English language from "Middle French" (14th century to early 17th century). There is no agreement on whether it entered Middle French from the Hebrew "rosh" or the Arabic "ra's", but that does indicate that it is of Middle Eastern origin.

As for "bigotry", that word can be traced back to 12 century France where it appears to have been used as a derogatory term for both Germans and Normans in the same way that the English were later known as "goddamns" and WWI Americans (serving in France) were known as "les sommobiches".

As far as MEANING is concerned, it's going to be pretty difficult to find someone who doesn't know that "racism" (correctly) refers to prejudice based on a person's "race" - even though they may not actually know what a "race" is and "bigot" (in contemporary American usage) can mean as little as "someone who doesn't agree with me 100%" (i.e. "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices") or as much as "someone who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance".

Unfortunately, I fail the "Is a Democrat" test.

PS - I also fail the "Is a Republican" test.

PPS - I also fail the "Got all of their education at American schools and never reads anything other than American news sources" test.
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Or, even easier yet, and being much more accurate, they are both simply errors of logic called "composition errors"...

A composition error is the error of inferring the truth of something for the whole from the fact that it is true for part of the whole.

Bigotry is a composition error involving people as the class. That's all bigotry is.

Racism is a composition error involving people as the class and a genetic trait as the property. That's all racism is.
 
gfm7175 said:
This clearly demonstrates my point of people having no clue what racism nor bigotry actually are...
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A ban on travel for entire nations full of people just based on their religious background qualifies, no matter what your definition.
 
Harshaw said:
This is pointedly true of easily 50% of those who strongly identify with one of the parties here on DP.
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That is true REGARDLESS of which of the two wings of the American Conservative Oligarchic Capitalist Party you are talking about.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
That is true REGARDLESS of which of the two wings of the American Conservative Oligarchic Capitalist Party you are talking about.
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Yes, that is what I said.
 
ataraxia said:
A ban on travel for entire nations full of people just based on their religious background qualifies, no matter what your definition.
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That's not at all what the travel ban was about... it was about national security (keeping terrorists out of our country), NOT about targeting people because of their Muslim faith... It was not a claim that all Muslims are terrorists from the fact that some Muslims are terrorists... THAT would qualify as bigotry.

The truth of the matter is, there was no bigotry nor racism involved in that travel ban... Additionally, the USA has every right to control who comes in and out of the country.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Well if you can describe someone as evil, you don't have to worry about listening to them or giving their views any consideration.

You can simply dismiss them, and justify any and every act against them and their ideas as combatting "evil."

I've pointed this out many times in the Forum, but this is neither my idea nor is it new.

It's called "Moral Panic" and was identified this way by Stanley Cohen, author of "Folk Devils and Moral Panic" in 1972.

Prior to that it was known as scapegoating. Identify a person as an outsiders, a deviant, a devilish servant of evil and you can socially ostracize and otherwise attack them not only with impunity but with the full support of society.

The Left's tools are those of current Identity Politics, calling someone a sexist, racist, xenophobe, homophobe, nationalist, misogynist, supremacist, etc., etc.. The Right's tools include calling someone unpatriotic, un-American, reverse-racist, commie, God-less, immoral, etc.

Both extremes only serve to push their opponents into more extremism themselves, and really don't help the situation or lead to cooperation, understanding, or valid solutions.
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It's no coincidence or accident that elites of the political left are CONSTANTLY pushing narratives that demonize their perceived ideological and political enemies to the point where many naive people simply refuse to listen to any of their ideas, points, policies or dissent, simply because they believe that "republicans and conservatives are the epitome of evil". It's an intentional political propaganda strategy! If you can falsely convince a large percentage of a country's citizens that people from 'the other side' are "racist, sexist, bigoted homophobes", then you can completely avoid having to honestly debate or explain your side's positions! As long as 'the other side' are perceived as evil, you can convince people to support you, regardless of how radical or destructive your ideas are! You probably won't even need to be concerned with losing in the arena of ideas, because nobody will listen to the legitimate criticisms and dissent from members of the other side!

It's also VERY helpful when you've got most of the news media in your pocket. It's why Lenin was able to take over in the early 1900s The primary reason that he suceeded early on, was because he was given financial support from his country's enemy, Germany! He used it to procure printing presses, and flood the city with propaganda, including propaganda denying that he was being funded by the Germans(which was 100% true)! If his countrymen knew he'd inked a secret deal with the Germans, giving them all sorts of payoffs for their support, the Russian people would've lynched him, and communism would've failed to take hold then! So he used the media, and he used demonization of dissenters to take absolute power, and set up an incredibly oppressive socialist system.

Much as the American left are trying to do every day. Blacks vote for dems in high numbers, because the left, the dems and the media are constantly race-baiting, and convincing them that repubs/conservatives want to re-oppress them like during slavery! It's all B.S.
 
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Then "most" Democrats are mistaken.

According to the standard dictionary definition of "racist," most Republicans (and most Americans) in 2018 are definitely NOT "racists" by any stretch of the imagination.

By using that word so often, Democrats are debasing that word.

(I think I know what Democrats actually mean when they use that word, but I am hesitant to elaborate because of strict posting rules regarding protected classes.)
 
TheParser said:
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Then "most" Democrats are mistaken.

According to the standard dictionary definition of "racist," most Republicans (and most Americans) in 2018 are definitely NOT "racists" by any stretch of the imagination.

By using that word so often, Democrats are debasing that word.

(I think I know what Democrats actually mean when they use that word, but I am hesitant to elaborate because of strict posting rules regarding protected classes.)
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My goodness!!!

You don't mean to imply that FOX News would publish a misleading article - do you?

Possibly you would have been happier with a head line that read along the lines of


A Statistical Majority (which may or may not actually reflect the real world due to the potential for polling inadequacies) of those people who call themselves "Democrats" (and we have absolutely no idea what they mean by that when they do so) say that they think (for whatever reason [and we don't have a clue what that reason is]) that more than 50% of those people whom they describe as "Republicans" (and we have absolutely no idea what they mean by that when the do so) are what they call 'Racists' (and we really don't know what they mean by their use of that term [and we also don't even know if they know what a 'Race' is])
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ataraxia said:
A ban on travel for entire nations full of people just based on their religious background qualifies, no matter what your definition.
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Ya and Obama should be "shamed" for starting such an awful thing...right?
 
I think some confusion over the meanings of "prejudice" and "racism", exacebates the problem. One can have experiences that prejudice them against a culture or social group, that don't rice to the level of "racism" IMO. One can see the equality of people overall, yet have misgivings about a certain group, but it's hard to deliniate the difference.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
So nearly half our country can’t be reasoned with. That’s just swell.
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The upside being, I'm pretty sure they are also heavily overlapped with the lower end of our intelligence bell curve.

#BringBackPollTesting
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From FOX News

Poll: Most Democrats see Republicans as racist, sexist
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Nov. 17, 2018 - 4:53 - Over 60 percent of Democrats polled by Axios think Republicans are bad people.

COMMENT:-

FIRST - My apologies, but that's all that I could get from the link, and I couldn't find a text link to the actual FOX News report (hopefully you will have better luck), so I went straight to the Axios poll.

SECOND - The statement is accurate according to the Axios poll.

THIRD - Once you read the Axios poll, you can see what "selective reporting" is all about.

FOURTH - When you consider that what the Axios poll actually reported was that:


  1. 21% of Democrats think Republicans are evil, and about the same share of Republicans (23%) think Democrats are evil;
  2. Of the 22% (of Democrats) who provided open-ended descriptions of Republicans, responses included: selfish, greedy, corrupt, spineless, fearful and bad; and
  3. Of the 26% (of Republicans) who provided open-ended descriptions of Democrats, responses included: socialist, angry, hypocritical, uniformed, power-hungry and violent;


you start to understand what the problem is - you can understand and work with those who "have a different opinion" but you cannot understand and work with those who "are evil".

As Axios says

The bottom line: Both parties are being redefined around the extreme emotions shaping extremely ugly views of each other. That means that, as the midterm elections proved, there's less room for moderates or centrists in the current political environment — a dynamic that's likely to get worse before it gets better.
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There are plenty of racist democrats out there.

Go spend a weekend in Boston, NYC, and Providence.

Liberals are totally freaking disgusting on this issue with their hypocrisy.​
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
  1. Is a statistical analysis that shows that a person of "Race X" has a disproportionately high chance of being killed by a person of "Occupation Y" racist?
  2. Is a statistical analysis that shows that a person of "Occupation Y" has a disproportionately high chance of being killed by a person of "Race X" racist?

What do you call a person who answers "Yes." to Question 1 and "No." to Question 2?

What do you call a person who answers "No." to Question 1 and "Yes." to Question 2?
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I'd say that both are suffering from some form of ideological influenced confusion, because although people can be racist, facts can not be.

Racism is a human judgement derived from a persons beliefs, feelings and subsequent behavior toward people based upon their race, while facts and statistics exist on their own merit without judgement, and are totally free from beliefs and feelings. Facts are based on math and science, which racism plays no part in.

Facts and statistics can be used by some in an attempt to justify racist beliefs or prop up some type of racist doctrine, but even when used in such a way it doesn't invalidate the scientific truth they contain. The attempts by the left to deem "invalid" or "racist" the various studies done over the years of the IQ among various racial groups comes to mind.

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Skeptic Bob said:
So nearly half our country can’t be reasoned with. That’s just swell.
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The president is calling asylum seekers breeders and invaders, and supports "violent force" against them. It's really hard to have a conversation when somebody is talking like that, and his base is cheering for it.

I am comfortable with a debate about issues involving immigration and caravans, but it's nearly impossible when one side is acting like that.

Trump has a lot to do with our country being where it is.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From FOX News

Poll: Most Democrats see Republicans as racist, sexist
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Nov. 17, 2018 - 4:53 - Over 60 percent of Democrats polled by Axios think Republicans are bad people.

COMMENT:-

FIRST - My apologies, but that's all that I could get from the link, and I couldn't find a text link to the actual FOX News report (hopefully you will have better luck), so I went straight to the Axios poll.

SECOND - The statement is accurate according to the Axios poll.

THIRD - Once you read the Axios poll, you can see what "selective reporting" is all about.

FOURTH - When you consider that what the Axios poll actually reported was that:


  1. 21% of Democrats think Republicans are evil, and about the same share of Republicans (23%) think Democrats are evil;
  2. Of the 22% (of Democrats) who provided open-ended descriptions of Republicans, responses included: selfish, greedy, corrupt, spineless, fearful and bad; and
  3. Of the 26% (of Republicans) who provided open-ended descriptions of Democrats, responses included: socialist, angry, hypocritical, uniformed, power-hungry and violent;


you start to understand what the problem is - you can understand and work with those who "have a different opinion" but you cannot understand and work with those who "are evil".

As Axios says

The bottom line: Both parties are being redefined around the extreme emotions shaping extremely ugly views of each other. That means that, as the midterm elections proved, there's less room for moderates or centrists in the current political environment — a dynamic that's likely to get worse before it gets better.
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In different words the polls pretty much states what I have been saying all along here. That Republicans think the Democrats are out to destroy this nation and Democrats think Republicans are out to destroy it. So each thinks the other needs destroying before they can destroy the nation. So where did this come from?

Actually from party candidates and elected officials themselves during the campaigns and the battles over legislation. We used to debate substance, ideas, possible solutions to our problems, visions of where each candidate or party wanted to take his country. Not anymore, now we have the negative personal attack ads, name calling, digging up any kind of dirt on the opposition as possible. We have half truths and down right lies told about the other party. Each party spreads all this muck racking, the other guy and party is evil. Sooner or latter the followers, supporters come to believe all of this rhetoric is true.

How can one listen to the other side if you're convinced he is out to destroy you and the nation? How can you work together or compromise? You can't.​
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From FOX News

Poll: Most Democrats see Republicans as racist, sexist
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Nov. 17, 2018 - 4:53 - Over 60 percent of Democrats polled by Axios think Republicans are bad people.

COMMENT:-

FIRST - My apologies, but that's all that I could get from the link, and I couldn't find a text link to the actual FOX News report (hopefully you will have better luck), so I went straight to the Axios poll.

SECOND - The statement is accurate according to the Axios poll.

THIRD - Once you read the Axios poll, you can see what "selective reporting" is all about.

FOURTH - When you consider that what the Axios poll actually reported was that:


  1. 21% of Democrats think Republicans are evil, and about the same share of Republicans (23%) think Democrats are evil;
  2. Of the 22% (of Democrats) who provided open-ended descriptions of Republicans, responses included: selfish, greedy, corrupt, spineless, fearful and bad; and
  3. Of the 26% (of Republicans) who provided open-ended descriptions of Democrats, responses included: socialist, angry, hypocritical, uniformed, power-hungry and violent;


you start to understand what the problem is - you can understand and work with those who "have a different opinion" but you cannot understand and work with those who "are evil".

As Axios says

The bottom line: Both parties are being redefined around the extreme emotions shaping extremely ugly views of each other. That means that, as the midterm elections proved, there's less room for moderates or centrists in the current political environment — a dynamic that's likely to get worse before it gets better.
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Divide and control. The rich and powerful have used their media to keep us thinking the other half are the evil ones. The fact is we are probably close to 90+% good people in both parties just brainwashed to think otherwise.​
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From FOX News

Poll: Most Democrats see Republicans as racist, sexist
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Nov. 17, 2018 - 4:53 - Over 60 percent of Democrats polled by Axios think Republicans are bad people.

COMMENT:-

FIRST - My apologies, but that's all that I could get from the link, and I couldn't find a text link to the actual FOX News report (hopefully you will have better luck), so I went straight to the Axios poll.

SECOND - The statement is accurate according to the Axios poll.

THIRD - Once you read the Axios poll, you can see what "selective reporting" is all about.

FOURTH - When you consider that what the Axios poll actually reported was that:


  1. 21% of Democrats think Republicans are evil, and about the same share of Republicans (23%) think Democrats are evil;
  2. Of the 22% (of Democrats) who provided open-ended descriptions of Republicans, responses included: selfish, greedy, corrupt, spineless, fearful and bad; and
  3. Of the 26% (of Republicans) who provided open-ended descriptions of Democrats, responses included: socialist, angry, hypocritical, uniformed, power-hungry and violent;


you start to understand what the problem is - you can understand and work with those who "have a different opinion" but you cannot understand and work with those who "are evil".

As Axios says

The bottom line: Both parties are being redefined around the extreme emotions shaping extremely ugly views of each other. That means that, as the midterm elections proved, there's less room for moderates or centrists in the current political environment — a dynamic that's likely to get worse before it gets better.
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Of course brainwashed democrat groupies think evil of republicans. Their slimy leaders keep broadcasting seditious lies nonstop to keep their followers in a stupor.​
 
marke said:
Of course brainwashed democrat groupies think evil of republicans. Their slimy leaders keep broadcasting seditious lies nonstop to keep their followers in a stupor.
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define 'brainwashed'
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From FOX News

Nov. 17, 2018 - 4:53 - Over 60 percent of Democrats polled by Axios think Republicans are bad people.
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Sounds like the left-wing portion of the Democrats (if there is anything but left-wing lemmings anymore). Those are the one's royally screwing up our country by voting intellectually-handicapped nitwits into office. California is a good example of how they screw up the country.
 
Logicman said:
Sounds like the left-wing portion of the Democrats (if there is anything but left-wing lemmings anymore). Those are the one's royally screwing up our country by voting intellectually-handicapped nitwits into office. California is a good example of how they screw up the country.
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Do/did you support Trump mocking that disabled journalist on national TV for the entire world to see like the nitwit he was for doing such a lowbrow thing, or did you publicly call him out for stooping to that bottom feeding performance? Did that childish act make America greater in any manner whatsoever ?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From FOX News

Poll: Most Democrats see Republicans as racist, sexist
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Nov. 17, 2018 - 4:53 - Over 60 percent of Democrats polled by Axios think Republicans are bad people.

COMMENT:-

FIRST - My apologies, but that's all that I could get from the link, and I couldn't find a text link to the actual FOX News report (hopefully you will have better luck), so I went straight to the Axios poll.

SECOND - The statement is accurate according to the Axios poll.

THIRD - Once you read the Axios poll, you can see what "selective reporting" is all about.

FOURTH - When you consider that what the Axios poll actually reported was that:


  1. 21% of Democrats think Republicans are evil, and about the same share of Republicans (23%) think Democrats are evil;
  2. Of the 22% (of Democrats) who provided open-ended descriptions of Republicans, responses included: selfish, greedy, corrupt, spineless, fearful and bad; and
  3. Of the 26% (of Republicans) who provided open-ended descriptions of Democrats, responses included: socialist, angry, hypocritical, uniformed, power-hungry and violent;


you start to understand what the problem is - you can understand and work with those who "have a different opinion" but you cannot understand and work with those who "are evil".

As Axios says

The bottom line: Both parties are being redefined around the extreme emotions shaping extremely ugly views of each other. That means that, as the midterm elections proved, there's less room for moderates or centrists in the current political environment — a dynamic that's likely to get worse before it gets better.
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I do NOT see "most CONSERVATIVES" as racist, sexist, evil.
Thing is, some of them seem to have dispensed with the notion of being members of the Republican Party, either in whole or in part.
What's left of today's Republican Party is the Trump wing. It's the only portion of the party still attempting to operate the levers of political power in Washington. And those folks cannot possibly be anything but racist, sexist and evil because the person that they have pledged allegiance to is all of that and worse.

Are all these Trump Republicans as bad as Trump? Of course not. Some are just hoping he manages to do a decent job despite his many flaws. Their mistake, sure... but it doesn't automatically put them in the same league as him, it just means that they prefer their luxurious staterooms and would rather go down with the Titanic than jump into a lifeboat.

But the hardcore Trumpers, sorry but it is impossible to be anything else if you're hardcore for Trump.
It's what he is and it's what you love.

But there are PLENTY of CONSERVATIVES who are decent moral people.
I don't have to agree with their politics to believe that they are good and decent people.

Yes, the study makes good points. Trump IS the axis of evil in this equation and if you align with the axis of evil, you're going to be evil.​
 
Logician Man said:
Do/did you support Trump mocking that disabled journalist on national TV for the entire world to see like the nitwit he was for doing such a lowbrow thing, or did you publicly call him out for stooping to that bottom feeding performance? Did that childish act make America greater in any manner whatsoever ?
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Didn't I already ask you not to bother me anymore with your nonsense?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From FOX News

Poll: Most Democrats see Republicans as racist, sexist
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Nov. 17, 2018 - 4:53 - Over 60 percent of Democrats polled by Axios think Republicans are bad people.

COMMENT:-

FIRST - My apologies, but that's all that I could get from the link, and I couldn't find a text link to the actual FOX News report (hopefully you will have better luck), so I went straight to the Axios poll.

SECOND - The statement is accurate according to the Axios poll.

THIRD - Once you read the Axios poll, you can see what "selective reporting" is all about.

FOURTH - When you consider that what the Axios poll actually reported was that:


  1. 21% of Democrats think Republicans are evil, and about the same share of Republicans (23%) think Democrats are evil;
  2. Of the 22% (of Democrats) who provided open-ended descriptions of Republicans, responses included: selfish, greedy, corrupt, spineless, fearful and bad; and
  3. Of the 26% (of Republicans) who provided open-ended descriptions of Democrats, responses included: socialist, angry, hypocritical, uniformed, power-hungry and violent;


you start to understand what the problem is - you can understand and work with those who "have a different opinion" but you cannot understand and work with those who "are evil".

As Axios says

The bottom line: Both parties are being redefined around the extreme emotions shaping extremely ugly views of each other. That means that, as the midterm elections proved, there's less room for moderates or centrists in the current political environment — a dynamic that's likely to get worse before it gets better.
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If you want to know the evil of the Left, listen to what they accuse you of. Sometime they actually believe it them selves.​
 
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