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Do you find it offensive when mainstream media refers to Fox Network as Trump Network?

yes that means that Fox is wrong and everyone else is right. Majority rules here.

The majority once thought that slavery was good. The majority once thought it was OK to ban alcohol. The majority once thought that the earth was flat. Majority does not always equal "right".
 
If you can't add MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, BBC, Bloomberg, Reuters, and many more (majority), that are all reporting basically the identical news whereas Fox Network stands alone in opinions and conspiracy theories because it's a Trump state-run, non-news, conspiracy theorist, bogus misinformation network then you're the one that needs more education, primarily in mathematics.

Your logic is that of a flat Earther. Everyone believes the Earth is flat, therefore it is flat.
 
I have. Your caricature of the Trump supporter exists only in the liberal mind.

Oh, you have, you just pretend.

Usually, you people wait a decade before trying to reinvent the past. But I am noticing a trend. As Trump's dip****tery becomes harder and harder to excuse, FOX News has been less obnoxious in its support (especially of late). The viewers appear to be following along in their attempts to distance themselves from what they have shown themselves to be. It's the same crap we see in the false narrative that liberals are the real "fascists" and "racists," not them.

It's like you all have a handbook that gets updated monthly on how best to recover from the past by ignoring it and pretending that there isn't a nation of witnesses.
 
Your logic is that of a flat Earther. Everyone believes the Earth is flat, therefore it is flat.

The majority once thought that slavery was good. The majority once thought it was OK to ban alcohol. The majority once thought that the earth was flat. Majority does not always equal "right".

I don't know if you can provide some documentation as to the validity of your statements 'the majority once though that slavery was good, wanted to ban alcohol, thought the world was flat'. I think you've taken liberty with the truth just to present what you believe to be reality today.

In the official declaration of the causes of their secession in December 1860, South Carolina’s delegates cited “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery.” According to them, the Northern interference with the return of fugitive slaves was violating their constitutional obligations; they also complained that some states in New England tolerated abolitionist societies and allowed black men to vote.
So no, the majority did not believe that slavery was good.

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By 'the majority wanted to ban alcohol', I assume you're talking about prohibition and again, that's not true. The Woman's Christian Temperance Union succeeded in enacting local prohibition laws, not the majority. The temperance movement had popularized the belief that alcohol was the major cause of most personal and social problems and prohibition was seen as the solution. Special interest groups and lobbyists aren't a new phenomenon, and these 'good Christians' had the money to pay lobbyists and get the bill passed. National prohibition of alcohol (1920-33)—the “noble experiment”—was undertaken to reduce crime and corruption, solve social problems, reduce the tax burden created by prisons and poorhouses, and improve health and hygiene in America. This was not the will of the majority and was a complete failure. Even two presidents Wilson and Harding used to 'acquire' bootlegged whiskey.

Your last statement about the majority believed the world was flat. That may have been true of the majority in the days of Homer or Thales. President Barack Obama recently expressed impatience with the persistent objections put forward by climate change deniers by saying: “We don’t have time for a meeting of the Flat Earth Society.” It's used as an idiom for 'don't be an idiot'. The real Flat Earth Society issued a statement in support the hypothesis of anthropogenic climate change.

I defend the legitimacy of my statement, majority rules. The Civil War ended slavery, the Prohibition Act was repealed, and it's been proven the Earth is round.
 
In the official declaration of the causes of their secession in December 1860, South Carolina’s delegates cited “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery.” According to them, the Northern interference with the return of fugitive slaves was violating their constitutional obligations; they also complained that some states in New England tolerated abolitionist societies and allowed black men to vote.
So no, the majority did not believe that slavery was good.

You do know that for much of human history slavery was a normal thing right? Not just a decade or so before the Civil War.

By 'the majority wanted to ban alcohol', I assume you're talking about prohibition and again, that's not true. The Woman's Christian Temperance Union succeeded in enacting local prohibition laws, not the majority. The temperance movement had popularized the belief that alcohol was the major cause of most personal and social problems and prohibition was seen as the solution. Special interest groups and lobbyists aren't a new phenomenon, and these 'good Christians' had the money to pay lobbyists and get the bill passed. National prohibition of alcohol (1920-33)—the “noble experiment”—was undertaken to reduce crime and corruption, solve social problems, reduce the tax burden created by prisons and poorhouses, and improve health and hygiene in America. This was not the will of the majority and was a complete failure. Even two presidents Wilson and Harding used to 'acquire' bootlegged whiskey.

It took the majority to pass an Amendment. 2/3rd of the legislature and 2/3rd of the States to ratify it. That is a majority. That many broke the law doesn't mean that it took less than a majority to pass it.

Your last statement about the majority believed the world was flat. That may have been true of the majority in the days of Homer or Thales. President Barack Obama recently expressed impatience with the persistent objections put forward by climate change deniers by saying: “We don’t have time for a meeting of the Flat Earth Society.” It's used as an idiom for 'don't be an idiot'. The real Flat Earth Society issued a statement in support the hypothesis of anthropogenic climate change.

I defend the legitimacy of my statement, majority rules. The Civil War ended slavery, the Prohibition Act was repealed, and it's been proven the Earth is round.

And if the majority believed that it was OK to repeal the 1st Amendment would you think that to be right? If the majority believed that abortion should be banned would you think that would be right?

Instead of trying to avoid the actual point that I was making how about you acknowledge that there are times that the majority is not always right. Majority Rule, as you put it, has been, and can be, and is used to commit wrongs. Which means they are not always right.
 
You do know that for much of human history slavery was a normal thing right? Not just a decade or so before the Civil War.



It took the majority to pass an Amendment. 2/3rd of the legislature and 2/3rd of the States to ratify it. That is a majority. That many broke the law doesn't mean that it took less than a majority to pass it.



And if the majority believed that it was OK to repeal the 1st Amendment would you think that to be right? If the majority believed that abortion should be banned would you think that would be right?

Instead of trying to avoid the actual point that I was making how about you acknowledge that there are times that the majority is not always right. Majority Rule, as you put it, has been, and can be, and is used to commit wrongs. Which means they are not always right.

Here's some reality for you. The majority doesn't matter at all, not one bit, nothing. What matters is how much money lobbyists have to stuff in the pocket of rich politicians in order to push their agenda. The more difficult the agenda like "guns are great, we all should have one, God bless the NRA for saving 'Murica" Of course that's an exaggeration but the NRA is having an increasingly difficult period of time right now because of all the school shootings and they've had to give up more of their money to lobby Congress and to contribute to causes like Brian Kavanaugh to get him pushed through into the Supreme Court because he's sympathetic to the NRA and will most certainly repay them mightily once he's on the bench. These things have nothing to do with what the majority wants, they are what the special interests and rich campaign contributors want.
 
Here's some reality for you. The majority doesn't matter at all, not one bit, nothing. What matters is how much money lobbyists have to stuff in the pocket of rich politicians in order to push their agenda. The more difficult the agenda like "guns are great, we all should have one, God bless the NRA for saving 'Murica" Of course that's an exaggeration but the NRA is having an increasingly difficult period of time right now because of all the school shootings and they've had to give up more of their money to lobby Congress and to contribute to causes like Brian Kavanaugh to get him pushed through into the Supreme Court because he's sympathetic to the NRA and will most certainly repay them mightily once he's on the bench. These things have nothing to do with what the majority wants, they are what the special interests and rich campaign contributors want.

What does this have to do with what you said here:

yes that means that Fox is wrong and everyone else is right. Majority rules here.

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In fact what does what you say have to do with the topic of the thread period? Am I missing something? Seems like deflection to me.
 
Actually,, I would suggest that the other media outlets have fallen away from straight news broadcasting because of the success of Fox news. Fox news threw away the idea of journalistic integrity in the beginning.. began putting up individuals that "looked" like traditional newscasters.. but were actually promoting a certain opinion, and catered to what a segment of the population wanted to hear. Its a classic case of being better at giving the customer what they wanted. And Fox's financial success was astounding.
So it easily became clear to the other news outlets that instead of reporting the news.. it was more lucrative.. to produce a product that their viewers, listeners wanted. this became even more important when people had multiple ways to purchase their "news".

Nah. During the primary Fox backed the 16 dwarves instead of Trump. Trump cried and stomped his tiny little feet. Then he refused to participate in the Fox debate.

Accordingly, Fox rolled over like the unprincipled ******s they are and became the Trump network.


Donald Trump taps the right's anger against Fox News CNN.com

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjANegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0Zl6zOYVFdVT4Yit9iyNSe

Donald Trump, in Feud With Fox News, Shuns Debate The New York Times

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAOegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw0ZDsKHUxut3WWNXT6GMOp4

How Trump Blew Up the Conservative Media Politico

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjARegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw0CmM2yokYRf0Nghn9B3kwx

Exclusive: Fox anchor Megyn Kelly describes scary, bullying 'Year of Trump' USA Today

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAQegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw34kYPR2ezyg6oRKwW4-Tl-
 
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i consider FAUX the republican propaganda network
 
What does this have to do with what you said here:



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In fact what does what you say have to do with the topic of the thread period? Am I missing something? Seems like deflection to me.

It was you that went off topic from the thread, I only addressed your unrelated response.

Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
The majority once thought that slavery was good. The majority once thought it was OK to ban alcohol. The majority once thought that the earth was flat. Majority does not always equal "right".


I had to respond to your erroneous alternative facts. No, the majority did not think that slavery was good. No, the majority did not think it was OK to ban alcohol. Even before 300 BC when Aristotle proved the earth was a sphere and not flat, the majority didn't think the earth was flat. In conclusion my point was that Fox Network denies facts, denies evidence and the majority of people do not believe Fox or Trump's lies.
 
An ex-Fox president (Bill Shine) fired for numerous sexual harassment allegations is the White House Director of Communications.

Quite a few shady characters in the Trump Swampy House.
 
Who cares what the main stream media thinks about anything especially about Fox news or President Trump.
We know they hate Trump with a passion and would sink to any low to get him.

July 2018 Ratings: Fox News Marks 25 Consecutive Months as Most-Watched Cable Network in Total Day

Fox News Channel continues to “be best” when it comes to drawing viewers across the 24-hour day. In July 2018, Fox News marked 25 consecutive months as the most-watched basic cable network in total day by averaging 1.4 million viewers in the daypart, per Nielsen live-plus-same-day data.

FNC was also the most-watched basic cable network for July in prime time, averaging 2.4 million total viewers from 8-11 p.m. That’s +14 percent vs. FNC’s prime time viewer delivery for July 2017. The network averaged 443,000 A25-54 viewers in prime time this past month, +9 percent from the July 2017 average.

https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/july-2018-ratings-fox-news-marks-25-consecutive-months-as-most-watched-cable-network-in-total-day/372050
 
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Do Trump supporters find it offensive when mainstream media such as CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC and CBS sometime refer to Fox Network as being 'Trump Network' or 'state-run media' ? If so, why?

Fox is the Trump propaganda network. No integrity. No credibility. They just spew what Trump tells them to. Any news agency that will only follow the orders of the government is not news.
 
Who cares what the main stream media thinks about anything especially about Fox news or President Trump.
We know they hate Trump with a passion and would sink to any low to get him.

July 2018 Ratings: Fox News Marks 25 Consecutive Months as Most-Watched Cable Network in Total Day

Fox News Channel continues to “be best” when it comes to drawing viewers across the 24-hour day. In July 2018, Fox News marked 25 consecutive months as the most-watched basic cable network in total day by averaging 1.4 million viewers in the daypart, per Nielsen live-plus-same-day data.

FNC was also the most-watched basic cable network for July in prime time, averaging 2.4 million total viewers from 8-11 p.m. That’s +14 percent vs. FNC’s prime time viewer delivery for July 2017. The network averaged 443,000 A25-54 viewers in prime time this past month, +9 percent from the July 2017 average.

https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/july-2018-ratings-fox-news-marks-25-consecutive-months-as-most-watched-cable-network-in-total-day/372050

Because there is only one propaganda channel vs dozens of real media outlets. Most Americans don't get their new from Fox - it is spread out to the other. Fox edges out MSBC by a bit but then CNN - CBS - ABC and others combine to more than double Fox. So twist things how you want - but more Americans get their news from legit organizations than the propaganda network.
 
Nah. During the primary Fox backed the 16 dwarves instead of Trump. Trump cried and stomped his tiny little feet. Then he refused to participate in the Fox debate.

Accordingly, Fox rolled over like the unprincipled ******s they are and became the Trump network.


Donald Trump taps the right's anger against Fox News CNN.com

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjANegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0Zl6zOYVFdVT4Yit9iyNSe

Donald Trump, in Feud With Fox News, Shuns Debate The New York Times

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAOegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw0ZDsKHUxut3WWNXT6GMOp4

How Trump Blew Up the Conservative Media Politico

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjARegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw0CmM2yokYRf0Nghn9B3kwx

Exclusive: Fox anchor Megyn Kelly describes scary, bullying 'Year of Trump' USA Today

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAQegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw34kYPR2ezyg6oRKwW4-Tl-

Ummm basically because... as I SAID... they did what the people that watch their show.. wanted.
 
Do Trump supporters find it offensive when mainstream media such as CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC and CBS sometime refer to Fox Network as being 'Trump Network' or 'state-run media' ? If so, why?

I find it hypocritical, being that the MSM is the propaganda arm of the Democratic party.
 
I find it hypocritical, being that the MSM is the propaganda arm of the Democratic party.

An arm is a single unit. Fox is so far out of the mainstream that if it was a ship it would be stuck in an ice pack off the coast of Antarctica. Mainstream media refers collectively to the various large mass news media that influence a large number of people. Mainstream is in direct contrast with alternative media such as Fox which has content with more dissenting thought and theories rather than facts.
 
An arm is a single unit. Fox is so far out of the mainstream that if it was a ship it would be stuck in an ice pack off the coast of Antarctica. Mainstream media refers collectively to the various large mass news media that influence a large number of people. Mainstream is in direct contrast with alternative media such as Fox which has content with more dissenting thought and theories rather than facts.

And CNN and Morning Joke are mainstream? LOL.

The Left really needs to do something about the FOX triggering.
 
And CNN and Morning Joke are mainstream? LOL.

The Left really needs to do something about the FOX triggering.

Of course they are. So is NBC, CBS, ABC, BBC, etc etc

Fox *News doesn't phase me at all, I've learned long ago 'trash in- trash out'. I don't even bother watching it anymore it just got too far-fetched and desperate.
 
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