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NBC Threatened Ronan Farrow if He Kept Reporting on Harvey Weinstein

I am not a jury, judge or executioner. No matter his proclivities, Weinstein has been and will continue to be a producer of great movies. It is not an industry of sexual innocence. When one of his accusers claims he raped her twice, both times at her home, never reported either incident at the time, claimed "me too" I have no reason to believer her because she invited him back for the second go round. The casting couch has been around since the days of the silent movies. Another of his accusers has now been accused of the same crime as him. The excuses are rampant. Either an actor or actress has self respect and integrity or they don't. On the other hand, I have no doubt he used his position to get what he wanted from her with false promises. Disgusting abuse of power? Without a doubt. Does it change the quality of his film legacy? No. Everything in these cases is he said, she said. Numbers of accusations do not create corroborating evidence other than in the public eye, enjoying the scandals in the gossip rags. Courts of law require more.

Schneiderman was a known quantity for years. Protected by position and political colleagues. The hypocrisy no different than Spitzer's. They both were outed, both resigned, and both are finished. On their own heads.

And as pathetic as it sounds, men like Schneiderman, not so rare, find women who expect and desire abuse. No less twisted than the men who abuse them. It is a quid pro quo. I won't get into the psychology, or rationalize excuses for either, but "if daddy doesn't hit me, he doesn't love me" is part of the equation. Acceptable? No. You and I may not find hypocrites like Schneiderman and Spitzer acceptable for the public trust, but others have different priorities and lament their loss as a less evil over those they targeted.

Farrow is a low life dog turd. A scavenger, who cares not for his victims or their targets, but only for using sensationalism to enhance his own name and position. He's a self appointed vigilante and lyncher, acting outside our system of justice, with no concern for who he harms as collateral damage along the way. May he rot in hell sooner rather than later. Along with his vindictive lying mother who used her children to further her vengeance for being scorned. Ronan learned from a pro.

OK I disagree with practically every word and find the attitude pretty offensive. Basically it's a big old **** you to women. You're basically saying to women, "Choose - 1) **** scumbags like Weinstein on demand, OR 2) risk your entire career." That's not a choice they should have to make and that choice being around for a long time just means powerful men have been forcing women into that choice for a long time.

And it's funny you're accusing Farrow of not caring because the only thing you care about Weinstein is he made good movies and are openly giving the middle finger to women. You're wrong, though - he's most definitely NOT operating outside our "system of justice." The press outing wrongdoing is one of the big PURPOSES of having a First Amendment that protects the press - that's a core part of their mission, their role in society. And you're ****ting on that too.

The "the women WANT to be hit" bit is icing on the cake.
 
OK I disagree with practically every word and find the attitude pretty offensive. Basically it's a big old **** you to women. You're basically saying to women, "Choose - 1) **** scumbags like Weinstein on demand, OR 2) risk your entire career." That's not a choice they should have to make and that choice being around for a long time just means powerful men have been forcing women into that choice for a long time.

And it's funny you're accusing Farrow of not caring because the only thing you care about Weinstein is he made good movies and are openly giving the middle finger to women. You're wrong, though - he's most definitely NOT operating outside our "system of justice." The press outing wrongdoing is one of the big PURPOSES of having a First Amendment that protects the press - that's a core part of their mission, their role in society. And you're ****ting on that too.

The "the women WANT to be hit" bit is icing on the cake.

Good, you disagree. Now tell that to police who have to clean up after the fact. I don't give a damn about your politics. Actually, I don't care.
 
Weinstein will not see prison. He will make more movies. This will all pass as a minor footnote in history, very minor.

That's a special kind of optimism there. It kinda sounds misogynist.
 
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Good, you disagree. Now tell that to police who have to clean up after the fact. I don't give a damn about your politics. Actually, I don't care.

Clean up what? Investigating alleged scum for assaulting or raping women? That's their job, I thought.

As to 'caring,' we're on a debate site. If you don't want to have your opinion challenged, you're in the wrong place.
 
Clean up what? Investigating alleged scum for assaulting or raping women? That's their job, I thought.

As to 'caring,' we're on a debate site. If you don't want to have your opinion challenged, you're in the wrong place.

Really, that's the job???? Police rarely prevent crime, occasionally resolve a crime, but the crux of the job is cleaning up the mess after the fact and writing reports thereof. Less than 47% of violent crimes in the US are resolved, less than 35% of property crimes. Mostly the in your face easy ones. Like burglars discovered asleep on the couch after raiding a refrigerator and taking a shower, a wife standing over her husband's body with a kitchen butcher knife in hand, and his spurted blood all over her. Tough to miss.

I expect my opinions to be challenged. I don't care about your challenges, your opinions. Read enough of them for you to not earn my respect. I don't care.
 
Really, that's the job???? Police rarely prevent crime, occasionally resolve a crime, but the crux of the job is cleaning up the mess after the fact and writing reports thereof. Less than 47% of violent crimes in the US are resolved, less than 35% of property crimes. Mostly the in your face easy ones. Like burglars discovered asleep on the couch after raiding a refrigerator and taking a shower, a wife standing over her husband's body with a kitchen butcher knife in hand, and his spurted blood all over her. Tough to miss.

I expect my opinions to be challenged. I don't care about your challenges, your opinions. Read enough of them for you to not earn my respect. I don't care.

Yes, it seems that investigating reports of rape or sexual assault would fit into the job description of the police. Those are crimes, last I checked. I didn't say it was the primary or only job of the police, so I'm not really sure what the stats are supposed to demonstrate. Seems like an excuse to ignore credible allegations from women who 'had it coming' in some way.
 
Yeah it could be anything, but I don't like that they are trying to smear him using similar tactics of the men they propped up for years.
Where/what are these "smears?"

Red:
??? Smear whom? That line's credulity is dubious:
  • Farrow -- Farrow left NBC on Oct. 17, 2017 and doesn't appear to have been smeared. Quite the opposite appears to have happened inasmuch as Farrow released his story via The New Yorker in Oct. 2017 (online -- 10th; print -- 23rd) and subsequently won a Pulitzer for it. Where and what are the ostensibly defamatory statements NBC (someone there) is releasing to smear Farrow?
  • McHugh -- Again, where and what are the ostensibly defamatory statements NBC (someone there) is releasing to smear Farrow? I mean, really. Prior to the Daily Beast's essay you've cited in your OP, has the general public even heard of Rich McHugh?

From the rubric article:
According to multiple sources familiar with the matter, NBC News General Counsel Susan Weiner made a series of phone calls to Farrow, threatening to smear him if he continued to report on Weinstein.
  • Those calls were alleged to have been made in 2017.
  • For now at least, it appears that even if Weiner made such threats, she didn't carry through on them.
  • It appears presently that McHugh and Farros are "trying to smear" NBC, not the reverse.
 
Jack Warner was accused by more than thousand young women. Who remembers, who cares? Not even a footnote if film history. His legacy lives on and is still making movies, but you know better. :rofl

Times have changed.
 
It appears presently that McHugh and Farros are "trying to smear" NBC, not the reverse.

Except Ronan Farrow is not one of the sources.

??? Hugh?
Farrow is writing a book called "Catch and Kill," a new look at his reporting about Harvey Weinstein and other men who abused power....One of those disclosures will involve NBC, according to a person with knowledge of the book deal. Farrow has been waiting to tell his side of the NBC story -- in part because he didn't want to distract from the harrowing accounts of women who were mistreated by Weinstein.
I read the whole of the Daily Beast essay to which you linked in your OP. Did you not read the content I referenced in post 18? The above came from the first few sentences in the first article from which I excerpted a piece of its content.


Other:
BTW, I still have no idea what you mean in the first two sentences of your OP.
NBC has protected Matt Lauer, Mr. Swampy, and Harvey Weinstein. Yet I hardly see any criticism of them.
  • What is your idea of "protecting?"
  • I had to wonder who Mr. Swampy is. I Googled the name and found that Mr. Swampy is a fictional character.

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    I can't find anything on NBC about Mr. Swampy, but then I also don't know why the hell NBC'd have anything to say about him.
 
NBC has protected Matt Lauer, Mr. Swampy, and Harvey Weinstein. Yet I hardly see any criticism of them.

It was just reported that NBC tried to shut down Mr. Ronan Farrow's investigation into Weinstein. This seems to me that NBC is scared of another story Ronan is working on and they are trying to discredit him. It's directly out of the playbooks of all of these men that they have protected over the years. That playbook was likely written by those same NBC executives.

I also found it shocking that Ronan left NBC. I figured something like this must have happened.


Sources: NBC Threatened Ronan Farrow if He Kept Reporting on Harvey Weinstein

Maybe the higher-ups of NBC have participated in some of Weinstein's off-camera, criminal diddling and don't want it coming to light.
 
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??? Hugh?

I read the whole of the Daily Beast essay to which you linked in your OP. Did you not read the content I referenced in post 18? The above came from the first few sentences in the first article from which I excerpted a piece of its content.


Other:
BTW, I still have no idea what you mean in the first two sentences of your OP.


Have you been following it anymore? Megyn Kelly said that she knows Ronan had records of Rose McGowan and that they sat on it for months.

On Tuesday’s edition of “Megyn Kelly Today,” host Megyn Kelly reported that Rose McGowan gave an on-the-record admission to Ronan Farrow at NBC News that Harvey Weinstein raped her, and NBC News sat on the scoop for months.

Megyn Kelly Says Ronan Farrow Had Rose McGowan on the Record, Contradicting Andy Lack’s Memo


So that probably means she was ready to go. Similarly Emily Nestor, who said she was on the record and ready to go and NBC said thanks no thanks.

In a statement to The Hollywood Reporter, Emily Nestor wrote that she was "disappointed" but "not surprised" by a memo from NBC News chief Andy Lack that sought to defend the network from claims that it had stymied Farrow's attempts to report the story while he was working at NBC.
Weinstein Accuser Emily Nestor Backs Ronan Farrow in Row With "Shameful" NBC


Andy Lack released the memo stating what he claims happens, yet no one on the team seems to be supporting him. Least of all Ronan Farrow who claims there are multiple false statements in Lack's memo.

"I've avoided commenting on the specifics of NBC's role in the Weinstein story to keep the focus on the women and their allegations," Farrow said in a statement posted on Twitter. "But executives there have now produced a memo that contains numerous false or misleading statements."
Ronan Farrow breaks silence on NBC-Weinstein controversy


This thing is one HUGE mess. I'm not sure what is going on. Why the network is even fighting like this out in public, who caused it, or why. But what I do know is that the NBC News bosses seem terrified. You only get this much bad PR these days, if something big is coming down the tubes, and I don't mean Lack's firing.
 
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NBC has protected Matt Lauer, Mr. Swampy, and Harvey Weinstein. Yet I hardly see any criticism of them.

It was just reported that NBC tried to shut down Mr. Ronan Farrow's investigation into Weinstein. This seems to me that NBC is scared of another story Ronan is working on and they are trying to discredit him. It's directly out of the playbooks of all of these men that they have protected over the years. That playbook was likely written by those same NBC executives.

I also found it shocking that Ronan left NBC. I figured something like this must have happened.



Sources: NBC Threatened Ronan Farrow if He Kept Reporting on Harvey Weinstein

This will probably be settled in court. NBC is all in with a categorical denial.
 
Mr. Swampy's input on the matter:

NBC FAKE NEWS, which is under intense scrutiny over their killing the Harvey Weinstein story, is now fumbling around making excuses for their probably highly unethical conduct. I have long criticized NBC and their journalistic standards-worse than even CNN. Look at their license?

Despite being dictator-like and conspiratorial, and sticking up for Ronan Farrow. I have a feeling that this tweet is not going to age well. I have a stronger feeling than ever that Ronan is working on something in connection with NBC and the President. The President doesn't know because people are too terrified to tell him. NBC is imploding because it's about to leak. There has been nothing to disprove my intuition here and the back and forth going on at NBC is astounding.

Lack may not be planning to be gone, but he likely will be by October. He's not Les Moonves.
 
The cover-up and protection of Harvey Weinstein over a LONG period of time, by MULTIPLE mainstream news media outlets, AND Democratic party politicians, is a MAJOR scandal, that obviously should have been given far, FAR more coverage by the media!

The New York Times knew about Weinstein's sex crimes for AT LEAST 14 years before he was finally outed elsewhere. Top NYC Democratic party prosecutors ALSO had been refusing to prosecute Weinstein, for the same reasons that ALL the media outlets, and ALL the top democrats intentionally covered for him. Because he was close personal friends with the Clintons and even had deep ties to the Obamas as well.

But more importantly, Weinstein was a BIG progressive minded, Democratic party campaign donor, who helped get other wealthy, progressive Hollywood types to pour cash into dem-coffers. He gave public lip service to progressive policies etc.
 
I am not a jury, judge or executioner. No matter his proclivities, Weinstein has been and will continue to be a producer of great movies. It is not an industry of sexual innocence. When one of his accusers claims he raped her twice, both times at her home, never reported either incident at the time, claimed "me too" I have no reason to believer her because she invited him back for the second go round. The casting couch has been around since the days of the silent movies. Another of his accusers has now been accused of the same crime as him. The excuses are rampant. Either an actor or actress has self respect and integrity or they don't. On the other hand, I have no doubt he used his position to get what he wanted from her with false promises. Disgusting abuse of power? Without a doubt. Does it change the quality of his film legacy? No. Everything in these cases is he said, she said. Numbers of accusations do not create corroborating evidence other than in the public eye, enjoying the scandals in the gossip rags. Courts of law require more.

Schneiderman was a known quantity for years. Protected by position and political colleagues. The hypocrisy no different than Spitzer's. They both were outed, both resigned, and both are finished. On their own heads.

And as pathetic as it sounds, men like Schneiderman, not so rare, find women who expect and desire abuse. No less twisted than the men who abuse them. It is a quid pro quo. I won't get into the psychology, or rationalize excuses for either, but "if daddy doesn't hit me, he doesn't love me" is part of the equation. Acceptable? No. You and I may not find hypocrites like Schneiderman and Spitzer acceptable for the public trust, but others have different priorities and lament their loss as a less evil over those they targeted.

Farrow is a low life dog turd. A scavenger, who cares not for his victims or their targets, but only for using sensationalism to enhance his own name and position. He's a self appointed vigilante and lyncher, acting outside our system of justice, with no concern for who he harms as collateral damage along the way. May he rot in hell sooner rather than later. Along with his vindictive lying mother who used her children to further her vengeance for being scorned. Ronan learned from a pro.

Look at you, supporting the abuse of women.
 
Look at you, supporting the abuse of women.

Horse manure.

Take that dog collar off your neck and stop kissing the boot heels of the dominatrix you pay so much money. You will now stop repeating the words she forces down your gullet. You look ridiculous on all fours wearing a diaper.
 
Horse manure.

Take that dog collar off your neck and stop kissing the boot heels of the dominatrix you pay so much money. You will now stop repeating the words she forces down your gullet. You look ridiculous on all fours wearing a diaper.

The truth hurts.
 
The truth hurts.

I'm glad you feel the pain.

I have absolutely no use, no respect for self appointed, self righteous, self proclaimed superior moralists, who can't distinguish between what is being said as opposed to the personality of the speaker.

Since you clearly did not understand the post you quoted initially, and again the second post you quoted, I'll lay it on the line as simply as I can for you. The twists and turns of the human mind are not exclusive for females or males.

You can take you assignment of abuse and look to yourself along with your blatant ignorance.
 
I'm glad you feel the pain.

I have absolutely no use, no respect for self appointed, self righteous, self proclaimed superior moralists, who can't distinguish between what is being said as opposed to the personality of the speaker.

Since you clearly did not understand the post you quoted initially, and again the second post you quoted, I'll lay it on the line as simply as I can for you. The twists and turns of the human mind are not exclusive for females or males.

You can take you assignment of abuse and look to yourself along with your blatant ignorance.

Snort!
 
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