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CNN labels ANTIFA and others "Anti-Hate" protesters

That's incorrect.
That's like saying that just because there is a smaller number of genuine Hell's Angels, that the notion of outlaw biker gangs in the meth business doesn't exist.
You can ask police and sheriffs in Riverside County California what they think of that theory. You'll get an earful.

Or "just because" the original members of the Venice 13 are almost all dead, there's no more street gang problems.
It's a flat out stupid theory, and I think it's an attempt to inoculate:

"AntiFa are more numerous than actual genuine card carrying members of the American Nazi Party, thus AntiFa are WORSE."

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AntiFa is a DIFFERENT problem altogether.

I don't think I said one was worse than the other.... but one certainly has significantly more backing in the public.... there is no contest.... not even CLOSE!
 
Pffffttttt...

About what I expected from you.

- The conservative Anglo groups involved American memberships. They acted as gateways into the hierarchy of the Third Reich.

- I didn't state that the GOP embraced the Nazi philosophy.

You appear to refuse to understand the differences between Italian Fascism and National Socialism. It is simple if you understood:

- The American Left is more in line with communism, if anything. But if we are going to stay within Fascism, it would be of the Italian sort.

- The American Right is more in line with Fascism, especially National Socialism, if anything, based on the special spice that Hitler added.

The more accurate comparison is to place the American Left closer to communism, though you would be better off comparing it to the Social and Christian Democrats of Western Europe in the post-WWII era.

It's like you have desirous inability to even have a proper discussion because you are too busy guarding your false world view. Why even be on a debate site if all you care about is dropping baseless opinions and clinging to preconceived erroneous information?
 
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Well, the alt right (actually one guy) has killed one.

So, this excuses umpteen assaults on reporters..etc and riots and destruction of private property by the alt left.

That high horse is a midget, Shetland pony...
 
Well, the alt right (actually one guy) has killed one.

So, this excuses umpteen assaults on reporters..etc and riots and destruction of private property by the alt left.

That high horse is a midget, Shetland pony...

People get stupid when they start attaching their partisanship in such a way that they feel compelled to defend what they don't even believe in.

- Somebody here posted pictures of an ANTIFA idiot waving a Soviet flag as his "war" banner.

- And we are all familiar with the alt-right's knack for appreciating the NAZI flag a rallying cry for their crusade.

Both sides are presenting themselves as enemies of the country as they defy each other and pretend to represent anything but their own personal shallow ignorances. This is the one thing I would have expected the average American liberal and the average American conservative to criticize together.
 
About what I expected from you.

- The conservative Anglo groups involved American memberships. They acted as gateways into the hierarchy of the Third Reich.

- I didn't state that the GOP embraced the Nazi philosophy.

You appear to refuse to understand the differences between Italian Fascism and National Socialism. It is simple if you understood:

- The American Left is more in line with communism, if anything. But if we are going to stay within Fascism, it would be of the Italian sort.

- The American Right is more in line with Fascism, especially National Socialism, if anything, based on the special spice that Hitler added.

The more accurate comparison is to place the American Left closer to communism, though you would be better off comparing it to the Social and Christian Democrats of Western Europe in the post-WWII era.

It's like you have desirous inability to even have a proper discussion because you are too busy guarding your false world view. Why even be on a debate site if all you care about is dropping baseless opinions and clinging to preconceived erroneous information?
Again, pffffftttt.

One cannot truly have a proper "discussion" as your side has too few facts interspersed, then come mischaracterizations with your own poisoned prejudiced viewpoint inserted.

First of all you bolded my statement: "National Socialism is more aligned with the American left than it has EVER have been with the American right. " then proceeded to cut and paste that muddle regarding fascism none of which has ANY relation to the contemporary American right. Now if you want to go back to the racist past of the Southern Democrats, sure. Hitler followed, studied it with interest along with British and American Eugenics Societies , ie, Margaret Sanger founder of the Planned Parenthood of today. (ALL Democrat and/or leftist)

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Secondly, my statement about the vageries of definitional fascism should have been made abundantly clear by this:
"That is such a screwed up mish-mashed muddle that youve cut and pasted from where exactly? Fascism is hard to nail down (as clearly depicted by your inadvertent tell tale sign of Italian vs German vs British forms)..."

Your statement:
"- The American Right is more in line with Fascism, especially National Socialism, if anything, based on the special spice that Hitler added." Has no basis in fact, its your personal whim unsupported BY ANYTHING. Its pure unadultered bullcrap.

Almost exactly similar with how far off base you were with our patriots (to which we conserve) vs the torries (which were the English conservatives of King and country) with whom we fought a war to break those ties, you now again confuse our Republucan conservatives, whose Union army lost about 400K dead, many more maimed, fighting Democrats over the evil of slavery, then Black Codes then Jim Crow.

You are simply out of your league, havent a real clue... and your free education time IS OVER.

We clear here?

PS Why not go back on the other two threads where I asked you simple questions the answers of which will have you bury your own assertions AND which you refuse to answer with your "better" sources.

Either you come around to the truth ...or be shocked when it comes around to you. Yano?
 
I don't think I said one was worse than the other.... but one certainly has significantly more backing in the public.... there is no contest.... not even CLOSE!

But wait: According to CNN there is a massive white supremacist movement out there that's on the verge of taking over & we know
CNN never reports 'fake news'

Finishing off the last remnants of an almost forgotten godfarsaken group is like squashing a dying ant grasping on to a straw,
not a job fitting for natures noblemen.
 
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But wait: According to CNN there is a massive white supremacist movement out there that's on the verge of taking over & we know
CNN never reports 'fake news'

Finishing off the last remnants of an almost forgotten godfarsaken group is like squashing a dying ant grasping on to a straw,
not a job fitting for natures noblemen.

This is precisely why people are losing trust in the media.

The poll of nearly 4,000 adults shows that 92 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents "say that traditional news outlets knowingly report false or misleading stories at least sometimes," a finding in line with other recent polls conducted by Pew Research and Gallup.

It found the sentiment extends to those who identify as independents and Democrats, with 79 percent of independents also saying traditional outlets knowingly report false or misleading stories at least sometimes. Democrats agree by a slight majority of 53 percent.
The poll also found that almost two-thirds of those polled say fake news "is usually reported because people have an agenda." About one-third of those polled say false information is reported because of "poor fact-checking" or laziness.
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...utlets-report-news-they-know-to-be-fake-false
 
I don't think I said one was worse than the other.... but one certainly has significantly more backing in the public.... there is no contest.... not even CLOSE!

Uhhhhh...yeahNO.
I think I figured out what you're getting at but I'd like to suggest that the public really isn't fully aware of what they're seeing.
I say that because they never are until a bit later.
("What was the license number of that dump truck?")

Let me tell you about the late 1960's if I may...
The Vietnam antiwar movement got taken over, infiltrated. It happened so quickly that most people didn't even realize it was happening. People didn't want our country committing young men to a meat grinder with no clear purpose, no clear plan and no end game.
It went from a homegrown movement to something sponsored by Communist Party USA in the space of a year.
I didn't sign up for indoctrination into communism, nobody I knew gave a crap about it, we just thought the war was a sham.

Sorry but I remember the early days of the antiwar movement like it was yesterday, and I can tell you almost to the exact moment when it was clear that the infiltration had taken hold.
There were two major marches on Washington DC that I recall, one in 1970 and another in 1971.
May 9, 1970, a hundred thousand, maybe 150 thousand kids, mothers, fathers marched on the White House.
President Richard Nixon came out, UNESCORTED by Secret Service, and talked to the protesters.

The Kent State massacre had just happened a few days earlier and yet Tricky Dick (God bless that bastard in retrospect - compared to NOW!) decided he needed to connect with this homegrown group, and he did. I don't remember seeing a single red flag or hammer and sickle.
Look at this picture, there's people from all walks of life there, clean cut kids mixed in with hippies, black, white, you name it.
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A year later (1971) the "Washington Area Peace Action Coalition" organized a "March on Washington" and it was a veritable Sargasso Sea of communist style ephemera, they could have opened up a goddamned merch table in Red Square with all the crap they had flying in the air. I was at that march, I was fourteen. I witnessed paid agitators firsthand, watched them start fights and then blend seamlessly into the background.

Mostly the general public doesn't quite know what to make of AntiFa. They're being told conflicting reports. CNN is vacillating so quickly between faltering portrayals of "anti-hate group" and "black clad rioters" that it's like watching a ping pong match depending on who's doing the reporting. It's almost like a power struggle between two opposing managing editors behind the scenes. Of course the attacks on the news guys the other day may have tipped the vector for keeps now. CNN, like any other news outlet, isn't too fond of seeing reporters being beaten up.

I guarantee you that most people didn't realize right off that AntiFa has solid backing from CPUSA, although by now, if they're seeing all the flags, they're hastily growing suspicious.

Most people who were at the Occupy protests had no idea that they were being infiltrated until way too late.
Occupy started out much the same way, homegrown, loosely organized, largely leaderless, ad hoc. Then the black clad anarchists showed up.
Most people are against neo-Nazis, Klan, anti-government sovereign citizens and white supremacists, and they want to march and show their position against hate. But just like Occupy, it's too late now. It's now a **** show between AntiFa and the alt-Right.

Homegrown voices of protest are mostly drowned out now.
 
Not binary at all. We have three hate groups to be concerned about: the white nationalists, the antifa crazies, and the Stephen Miller branch of the Trump administration.

You have one hate group to worry about, and that's the american people, and I have some idea on what's manufactoring this hatred.
 
Let me tell you about the late 1960's if I may...
The Vietnam antiwar movement got taken over, infiltrated. It happened so quickly that most people didn't even realize it was happening. People didn't want our country committing young men to a meat grinder with no clear purpose, no clear plan and no end game.
It went from a homegrown movement to something sponsored by Communist Party USA in the space of a year.
I didn't sign up for indoctrination into communism, nobody I knew gave a crap about it, we just thought the war was a sham.

Sorry but I remember the early days of the antiwar movement like it was yesterday, and I can tell you almost to the exact moment when it was clear that the infiltration had taken hold.
There were two major marches on Washington DC that I recall, one in 1970 and another in 1971.
May 9, 1970, a hundred thousand, maybe 150 thousand kids, mothers, fathers marched on the White House.
President Richard Nixon came out, UNESCORTED by Secret Service, and talked to the protesters.

The Kent State massacre had just happened a few days earlier and yet Tricky Dick (God bless that bastard in retrospect - compared to NOW!) decided he needed to connect with this homegrown group, and he did. I don't remember seeing a single red flag or hammer and sickle.
Look at this picture, there's people from all walks of life there, clean cut kids mixed in with hippies, black, white, you name it.

A year later (1971) the "Washington Area Peace Action Coalition" organized a "March on Washington" and it was a veritable Sargasso Sea of communist style ephemera, they could have opened up a goddamned merch table in Red Square with all the crap they had flying in the air. I was at that march, I was fourteen. I witnessed paid agitators firsthand, watched them start fights and then blend seamlessly into the background.

Mostly the general public doesn't quite know what to make of AntiFa. They're being told conflicting reports. CNN is vacillating so quickly between faltering portrayals of "anti-hate group" and "black clad rioters" that it's like watching a ping pong match depending on who's doing the reporting. It's almost like a power struggle between two opposing managing editors behind the scenes. Of course the attacks on the news guys the other day may have tipped the vector for keeps now. CNN, like any other news outlet, isn't too fond of seeing reporters being beaten up.

I guarantee you that most people didn't realize right off that AntiFa has solid backing from CPUSA, although by now, if they're seeing all the flags, they're hastily growing suspicious.

Most people who were at the Occupy protests had no idea that they were being infiltrated until way too late.
Occupy started out much the same way, homegrown, loosely organized, largely leaderless, ad hoc. Then the black clad anarchists showed up.
Most people are against neo-Nazis, Klan, anti-government sovereign citizens and white supremacists, and they want to march and show their position against hate. But just like Occupy, it's too late now. It's now a **** show between AntiFa and the alt-Right.

Homegrown voices of protest are mostly drowned out now.[/QUOTE]

You have a point as described in yr last two sentences, but I think you are sadly mistaken about the anti-war movement, the one I witnessed in my early 20's. We were aware of provocateurs -- some suspected they came from the right or the government or that they were idiots, perhaps from the far left, throwing bottles at police from the crowd's edge.

The red-baiting started in the early days of the protest. When MLK came out against the war, he was accused of "following the commie line," as were many other prominent protesters. Smart tactic.

And of course the communist party opposed the war and tried to sell trinkets. Why wouldn't they? They also supported the labor movement, New Deal, civil rights, Medicare, whatever. I doubt if it was regular commies who provoked fights, twas probably some Trotsky-like ancestors of antifa who like that stuff. But remember, the Vietnam War changed from a colonial war to the US trying to stop the country from "going communist". (Communist opposed colonialism, also. They probably would have supported Washington against England if they had been around then.) Seems sensible that the traditional CPUSA would oppose the Vietnam misadventure as would some people to their left.

Anyway, one of the failings of the right in our country, since even before Sen. McCarthy, was how our re-baiting gave too much credit to communists for good things traditional liberals were responsible for. Then again, since many conservatives didn't think these were "good things," twas smart to link them with the Red Devil.
 
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