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Capital Gazette takes swipe at Trump: 'We won't forget being called an enemy of the people'

vegas giants said:
But what he said is freaking awful
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That Trump should not call the media the enemy of the people is one thing. For the left to lie and claim the comment had anything to do with what happened at the Gazette is another. The first doesnt justify the second. And if you are really concerned about language causing violence then you should tell people on your side to stop referring to people on the right as fascists and racists.
 
Fletch said:
That Trump should not call the media the enemy of the people is one thing. For the left to lie and claim the comment had anything to do with what happened at the Gazette is another. The first doesnt justify the second. And if you are really concerned about language causing violence then you should tell people on your side to stop referring to people on the right as fascists and racists.
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For the president to call the free press the enemy of the people is the first step toward fascism. Its is horrific.
 
vegas giants said:
For the president to call the free press the enemy of the people is the first step toward fascism. Its is horrific.
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Stop it. Its not fascism. But if you think it is, why isnt it the 'first step toward Marxism?'
 
Fletch said:
Stop it. Its not fascism. But if you think it is, why isnt it the 'first step toward Marxism?'
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I am opposed to both. It is the first step against a democracy
 
upsideguy said:
So, we are clear, I did NOT say Trump was primarily responsible for this outrageous act. I merely stated that he was not without SOME accountability on this because his careless words fostered an environment where some wackadoo felt this action was somehow justifiable.

...anyone that you know of that had advocated such things before hand? Can you name anyone in leadership state that Republicans were "enemies of the state" such that someone would feel sanctioned in acting out? If so, I would be happy to call them out as well.
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What, you mean, like, if the previous President had called the opposing party our enemies?? Or if the Most Recent Democrat Candidate for President had done it?

Or 'Member when Congressional Republicans were holding America Hostage and Acting Like Terrorists? Not just Terrorists, mind you, Treasonous Ones.

I 'member.


Or how about when Democrats led off with a whole campaign saying it was okay to punch people you disagree with, so long as you call them a Nazi? That was fun.
 
vegas giants said:
For the president to call the free press the enemy of the people is the first step toward fascism. Its is horrific.
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Goodness. What if the President were to move from that to actually seizing control of media outlets, creating a domestic Ministry of Information-like entity to shape and control the perceptions of the American public, while sending thousands of people (including members of the Press) to prison for objecting? What if that same President created a quasi-official enforcement arm, whose purpose was to intimidate and silent dissent by acting as vigilantes?

Would that be Fascism?
 
MTAtech said:
Swampy did

Swampy said "the media" is the enemy of the people. The Capital Gazette is part of the media.


I understand the psychological need to not understand what is simple to understand.
trouble13 said:
Thats a good example of fake news ty for that lol

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Yeah, I know, quoting him verbatim is fake news.
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cpwill said:
Goodness. What if the President were to move from that to actually seizing control of media outlets, creating a domestic Ministry of Information-like entity to shape and control the perceptions of the American public, while sending thousands of people (including members of the Press) to prison for objecting? What if that same President created a quasi-official enforcement arm, whose purpose was to intimidate and silent dissent by acting as vigilantes?

Would that be Fascism?
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We call that the trump administration
 
Lol, threads like these are funny, were people cant control there emotions and have to use bad language., let alone dont even understand that the shooter has had a beef with the paper since 2011.
 
cpwill said:
What, you mean, like, if the previous President had called the opposing party our enemies?? Or if the Most Recent Democrat Candidate for President had done it?

Or 'Member when Congressional Republicans were holding America Hostage and Acting Like Terrorists? Not just Terrorists, mind you, Treasonous Ones.

I 'member.


Or how about when Democrats led off with a whole campaign saying it was okay to punch people you disagree with, so long as you call them a Nazi? That was fun.
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Seriously? The tenor of each of those is not at all at the level of that of Trump with the press. "Enemies" in the context used per your reference was a euphemism for adversary. In no case was the speaker trying to fire up deep anger, hostility or violence. Neither Obama nor Hillary were known to have advocated anything other than "don't vote for Republicans, they are not your friends." Its nothing but political rhetoric expressed in during the heat of a campaign. They were never portrayed as enemies of the state, just political enemies of a particular party.

In very stark contrast, Trump has exhibited clear and consistent hostility toward the press. He has called the press the enemy of the state. Again, he did not say they were his political enemies, or the enemies of the Republican party, he said the

"...The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!.."



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/business/trump-calls-the-news-media-the-enemy-of-the-people.html

After meeting with NK, Trump doubled down on his irrationality. He actually had the temerity to call the "Press America's biggest enemy"

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/13/media/trump-tweet-media/index.html

Do you need two dozen cites, or do you simply take that statement as a given? This should suffice for now...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...s-after-maryland-shooting-20180628-story.html

Note that tone and tenor of Trump is rooted in real animosity rather than being merely campaign rhetoric. It also directly identifies the press as the enemy of the "American people".... Comparing this statement and the context in which it was used to campaign statements by Obama and Clinton is patently absurd.

Frankly, I am bit surprised that you, of all people, one of the more intelligent advocates for the right, would to try to stoop to the levels of disingenuousness by attempting to sell this as some type of equivalence. Its not and you know it. It is a futile exercise for you to try as I, and most others on this thread, are far too intelligent to buy what you are so weakly attempting to sell.
 
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cuban smokes said:
Trump proclaims enemies, his base listens, rinse, repeat ..........
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Maybe they should about getting a CCW. Instead of charging a shooter with a garbage can, or hiding under a desk, they can put a couple rounds center-mass; perform a Mozambique drill on him.
 
apdst said:
Maybe they should about getting a CCW. Instead of charging a shooter with a garbage can, or hiding under a desk, they can put a couple rounds center-mass; perform a Mozambique drill on him.
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You've been watching gun videos again haven't you?

They're a newspaper office, they report the news. Trump hates what they do, especially if what they report is something he'd rather we didn't know.
 
Manc Skipper said:
You've been watching gun videos again haven't you?

They're a newspaper office, they report the news. Trump hates what they do, especially if what they report is something he'd rather we didn't know.
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They're United States citizens. They have a guaranteed right to self-defense. They should learn how to excercise that right.
 
Who would have guessed that people who've been labelled the enemy of the American people, would remember being labelled that when someone who thinks they're fake news shoots them.

It's almost like it was meant to happen.

:lol:
 
Fletch said:
Total bull****. This incident had zero to do with Trump. In fact, it had zero to do with politics of any kind. Stop swallowing every spoonful of leftist propaganda the left tries to shove down your throat.
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...any time one begins an argument with "total bull......", you know you struck a nerve. Yes, the hard truth is indeed hard to hear.

But, as I pointed out, I am not saying Trump is responsible for the Capital Gazette shooting, I am saying he bears some responsibility. He, as POTUS, has called the press an "enemy of the American people".... the words uttered by a POTUS have great meaning... they are suppose to be words of a leader. As such, he has great responsibility to use his words carefully and in a very measured way.

The fact that he is ignorant in that he does not understand the power of his words does not exonerate him from his incompetence when he is reckless with them, as he has been regarding the proverbial 4th branch of government. Moreover, after the shooting happened, he had every opportunity to provide clarification to what he had previously said; to walk-back his irresponsible statements, yet he failed to do so.

Since Trump took office, violence and hostility toward the press has been rising dramatically.

https://www.apnews.com/6907abde5603456681a2a921f6ea8342
https://www.rferl.org/a/hostility-t...warms-reporters-without-borders/29190828.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/25/press-freedom-index-trump-attacks/549000002/
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/5/17/17364562/trump-animals-dehumanization-psychology
https://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/sen-flake-brands-trump-press-attacks-moral-vandalism-171171


BTW, on a similar note, Trump has failed to denounce racism and bigotry, thus appearing to actually sanction hate. Interesting that hate crimes have risen profoundly since his election.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...urge-rise-latest-figures-police-a8055026.html

The words of a POTUS matter. It is his job to chose his words wisely and own (take responsibility for) the message he conveys. Regarding the Capital Gazette, Trump is most assuredly a part of the problem.

Finally, all thoughts expressed by me are my own. I don't need anyone to tell me how to think or what to believe. I have watched very little news and commentary since the shooting... I have very little idea what people are saying about it other than what I read here.
 
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upsideguy said:
Trump called the American media the enemy of the people, which in essence served to sanction the twisted thoughts of this individual. Because of the bully-pulpit that comes with the job of POTUS, he more than anyone else in this country, delivers words of power and thus must use that bully-pulpit responsibly. He failed miserably in that duty.

Trump was reckless with his words and this happened. Sorry, he is not lilly-white in responsibility.
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what Trump supporters REFUSE to admit Trump is using a very wide brush to smear the press in America, and thus by doing so is encouraging contempt against the press.

Trump supporters are too blind to see this, and the very few that do see it are unwilling to admit this is what is actually occurring in America.

These are the same type of tactics used by Hitler to attack the press. Look how well that worked out ..........
 
cuban smokes said:
what Trump supporters REFUSE to admit Trump is using a very wide brush to smear the press in America, and thus by doing so is encouraging contempt against the press.

Trump supporters are too blind to see this, and the very few that do see it are unwilling to admit this is what is actually occurring in America.

These are the same type of tactics used by Hitler to attack the press. Look how well that worked out ..........
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...hate to jump to a Godwin argument, but it is true that attacks on a free press are right out of the dictator's handbook. He seems to be doing well on all points.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-mccain-idUSKBN15Y07R
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/naturally-selected/201702/7-steps-becoming-dictator
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...ff-flake-senate-speech-fake-news-trump-stalin
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpow...rs-come-to-power-in-a-democracy/#487712f27ff7

How is America going to end? Five steps to totalitarian rule.
http://www.newseum.org/2016/10/18/21st-century-threat-to-press-freedom/

Numerous studies have been done on the importance of an educated electorate in maintaining a healthy democracy.

http://education.oxfordre.com/view/...190264093.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264093-e-2
https://scholar.harvard.edu/shleifer/files/democracy_final_jeg.pdf

The American education system has been neglected and ridiculed for a generation. America is among the most poorly educated of the so-called "1st world countries". Although we rank 5th in the world in percentage of people with a university education..., our secondary education system ranks among the lowest in the lowest in the world....

https://hechingerreport.org/u-s-now-ranks-near-bottom-among-35-industrialized-nations-math/
http://www.businessinsider.com/wef-...-most-educated-countries-in-the-world-2016-10
https://qz.com/879092/the-us-doesnt-look-like-a-developed-country/

hence, being "educated", particularly in the United States, is a big deal with regards to the long-term viability of our democracy. Trump's appeal to those that have more limited educations is well documented.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

Interesting that ALL of the 10 best educated states in the US went for Clinton in 2016 in stark contrast to 8 of the 1O least educated states went for Trump..

Jefferson wrote: "...Educate and inform the whole mass of the people . . . They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty..."

But Jefferson did not have much faith in America to do the right thing here. He predicted that it was just a matter of time before we "elected" a "despot" .... it took 225 years, but we may have done it....

http://oll.libertyfund.org/quote/237
 
upsideguy said:
Seriously? The tenor of each of those is not at all at the level of that of Trump with the press.
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:lol: Sure. Because it's not against members of your Tribe, the "tenor" is different.

No, that's balderdash. When Democrats accuse the other political tribe of acting like or being terrorists, they are accusing them of acting like or being terrorists. When they describe them as The Enemy, they are describing them as the enemy. You seek to make exculpatory excuses because it doesn't create the same deep sense of anger and distaste in you as it does when the other Tribe does it. “How offensive do I find this” is not the same as “Is this rhetorically worse than something I find less offensive”.

When Democrats accuse the other tribe of being terrorists or acting like terrorists, they are accusing the other tribe of being terrorists or acting like terrorists. When they call them the Enemy, they are calling them the Enemy.

Is it worse because it’s the Press? :shrug: Obama went after the Press. I don’t recall the left telling us that meant the Republic hung by a thread. Trump calls them more names (because he is more childish); but Obama had the government hack into their computers and try to actually intimidate them from doing their jobs.


Frankly, I am bit surprised that you, of all people, one of the more intelligent advocates for the right, would to try to stoop to the levels of disingenuousness by attempting to sell this as some type of equivalence. Its not and you know it. It is a futile exercise for you to try as I, and most others on this thread, are far too intelligent to buy what you are so weakly attempting to sell.
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I don’t trade in my intellectual honesty for partisan gain. Trump is an angry, petulant, child who should never have been allowed anywhere near political power. I wish mightily that he wasn’t President, and I seriously doubt that our body politic is going to recover from the slide into increasingly rancorous tribalism that he has taken part in and accelerated. But Trump won his core base not least because he adopted the kind of language that had been used against them. I’m not going to pretend that didn’t happen, even if it is inconvenient to my dislike of Trump, anymore than I’m going to pretend anything Trump has done didn’t happen because it would be convenient to my political side of the aisle.
 
cuban smokes said:
Capital Gazette takes swipe at Trump: 'We won't forget being called an enemy of the people'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ng-annapolis-us-media-fake-news-a8427251.html


A lone gunman opened fire on the offices of Capital Gazette newspaper in Annapolis last week - killing four reporters and one supporting staff member.

The paper’s staff released a letter on Sunday which thanked those who extended support in the wake of the mass shooting but also took a veiled swipe at Mr Trump.

“We won’t forget being called an enemy of the people. No, we won’t forget that. Because exposing evil, shining light on wrongs and fighting injustice is what we do,” they wrote.

Mr Trump, who has become famed for launching barbed attacks on the media whom he brands “fake news”, has persistently used the phrase “enemy of the people” to refer to the press.

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Way to go Capital Gazette ..........
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My granny always said “A hit dog will holla”.
 
MrMike said:
Given their shameful pimping of an event totally unrelated to Trump for political points, any sympathy that should have been given to them just evaporated...
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Damn. Reporters are murdered, and Trumpanzees are blaming the victims. This is not new, however. I saw this response coming a mile away. It's what they do.
 
danarhea said:
Damn. Reporters are murdered, and Trumpanzees are blaming the victims. This is not new, however. I saw this response coming a mile away. It's what they do.
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Hmmm...let's correct your error.

Reporters are murdered by someone who has had a beef with them for years at that paper, yet Lefties are shamelessly blaming Trump for the perpetrators actions and the paper used it as well to go political. Saw that response coming a mile away. It's what the Left does (mislead, lie, etc.).
 
cpwill said:
:lol: Sure. Because it's not against members of your Tribe, the "tenor" is different.

No, that's balderdash. When Democrats accuse the other political tribe of acting like or being terrorists, they are accusing them of acting like or being terrorists. When they describe them as The Enemy, they are describing them as the enemy. You seek to make exculpatory excuses because it doesn't create the same deep sense of anger and distaste in you as it does when the other Tribe does it. “How offensive do I find this” is not the same as “Is this rhetorically worse than something I find less offensive”.

When Democrats accuse the other tribe of being terrorists or acting like terrorists, they are accusing the other tribe of being terrorists or acting like terrorists. When they call them the Enemy, they are calling them the Enemy.

Is it worse because it’s the Press? :shrug: Obama went after the Press. I don’t recall the left telling us that meant the Republic hung by a thread. Trump calls them more names (because he is more childish); but Obama had the government hack into their computers and try to actually intimidate them from doing their jobs.





I don’t trade in my intellectual honesty for partisan gain. Trump is an angry, petulant, child who should never have been allowed anywhere near political power. I wish mightily that he wasn’t President, and I seriously doubt that our body politic is going to recover from the slide into increasingly rancorous tribalism that he has taken part in and accelerated. But Trump won his core base not least because he adopted the kind of language that had been used against them. I’m not going to pretend that didn’t happen, even if it is inconvenient to my dislike of Trump, anymore than I’m going to pretend anything Trump has done didn’t happen because it would be convenient to my political side of the aisle.
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Sorry CP, you are defending the indefensible here..... political enemies are not even remotely comparable to "enemies of the American people." Though Presidents have a long history of acrimony with the Press, substantially all Presidents have acknowledged the press has essential to maintaining a free society (Nixon may have gone a little of the line; but Trump is waaaaaaayyyyy out of bounds)

https://variety.com/2017/biz/news/president-obama-press-conference-1201962782/

And the tones are not comparable. I know you know better than that. Your argument borders on being disingenuous, which is not your style.....

I appreciate you second section of comments. Your general credibility shows through there.
 
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upsideguy said:
Sorry CP, you are defending the indefensible here.
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The only person here doing any defending is you, trying to defend this kind of behavior when it comes from political figure you supported by offering excuses.

... political enemies are not even remotely comparable to "enemies of the American people." Though Presidents have a long history of acrimony with the Press, substantially all Presidents have acknowledged the press has essential to maintaining a free society (Nixon may have gone a little of the line; but Trump is waaaaaaayyyyy out of bounds)
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Trump is indeed way out of line. So were his predecessors. That you defend their behavior while remaining incensed at his suggests that you are allowing partisan preference (or more than understandable personal preference - whatever I thought of his policies or his weaknesses, Obama had more class than Trump did) to color your judgment of their actions.

It's an easy trap to fall into. It feels right. Naturally what They did is more abusive, more atrocious, more ill-intended than the somewhat excusable incident where someone on our side perhaps became temporarily a bit excessive.

It's a very human thing to do, a combination of Fundamental Attribution Error and In Group Bias.

It is, for example, what Trump fans do to defend his actions. Offer excuses for them, explain them via external causes, and then try to hype the internal drivers of the abuses of Those Other So-and-So's.

It's not right when Trump does it. It's not right when Democrats do it, either.

I appreciate you second section of comments. Your general credibility shows through there.
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Thank you.
 
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